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Old 20-10-2011, 23:23
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Old 20-10-2011, 23:27
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I'm still waiting for S2 of Distant Shores to be aired here!

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Me too. I really liked the first series (back in early 2005) and it rated fairly well. Why ITV never aired the second series is just a total mystery.
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Old 20-10-2011, 23:36
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Exactly, especially when many of the 2-parters especially are simply one-offs with no series returning potential. C4 annoy me too with their 4-part stuff like Any Human Heart/The Promise commissioned at a time when they desperately need to find new returning series. It's disapointing too This is England '88 will be just three parts when it could easily have been eight or more based on the performance of This is England '86.

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There's nothing wrong with having one-offs as many dramas especially adaptations can only be told within a single series. I do agree Channel 4 need more returning series and they are trying with Sirens and Fresh Meat. They have an interesting drama from Charlie Brooker called Black Mirror.

I think co-productions are the way forward especially for the smaller terrestrials like Channel 4 and 5 and they don't have to be with foreign broadcasters, UKTV have become involved with co-productions like Primeval and factual content.


On the subject at hand CBS have had a pretty rocky road with drama over the past couple of years. Although they have fared better than everyone else. Nobody has launched a properly successful new drama in a while.

People thought CBS had done it with The Mentalist but then they moved it to Thursday 10PM and its momentum just died (with hindsight that schedule change is the worst decision CBS have made in years). And again people thought Fox had done it with Fringe but as soon at it lost its big cushy lead-ins for its second season it nosedived. It has been a really rough period for new drama. As a sign of just how rough things are the most hotly tipped new drama of the season will air on NBC. That people think NBC might have the biggest new drama hit of the season is just mind boggling.
I think CBS moved The Mentalist to Thursdays in order to have NCIS Los Angeles in the post NCIS slot, it should have either stayed in that slot or moved to 9pm and switched with CSI, It's still doing well but I do think beyond season 5 looks doubtful especially as the show is made by Warner Bros rather than CBS TV Studios.

American Horror Story will probably be renewed, the next episode is on Halloween so it could get a boost.
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Old 20-10-2011, 23:42
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I do think that Tuesdays are a struggle for both BBC1 and ITV1. BBC1 has done a lot worse than they have recently in the 9pm slot. Survivors was only getting 4m early last year and I remember Paradox won a slot at the end of 2009 with an overnight of just 3.1m. I can see why you think BBC1 should be aiming higher but it seems as hard for BBC1 to reach 6m as it is for ITV1 to hit 3.5m.
The thing is though, that Tuesday 9pm slot has the best lead-in on any weeknight for a BBC1 9pm show. If they can't rate highly on a Tuesday against sub-3m FlopZone opposition, they're not going to do much better on other nights. Monday is the highest viewing night on a weeknight so dramas in theory should do well there, but of course there's Panorama (c3m) leading into 9pm rather than something like Holby City (c5m) which can slightly hamper how a new show begins. Also there's generally tough competition on a Monday for large parts of the year - on a Monday a BBC1 show could face c5m opposition from ITV1 whereas on Tuesdays it's normally 2-3m so while something like the Body Farm can get 4.6m on a Tuesday night against 71 Degrees North, could it manage that on a Monday night facing a typical ITV Monday night drama? Probably not. On Wednesdays, once again there's the lead-in problem due to the 8.30pm shows underperforming and like Mondays, generally there's relatively tough competition especially when there's Midsomer Murders on the other side pulling in the drama audience already. On Thursdays, it's a decent night but again, it lacks the lead-in support of Tuesdays and there's tougher competition from other channels. And Fridays generally are lower rated night for shows compared to the rest of the week, now normally reserved for comedies and panel shows. That leaves Sundays which is ideally the best night of the week to have a show due to the sheer number of people who watch on the night, but there's usually tough competition there too for large parts of the year, especially in the Autumn where it's now very difficult to put something new up against DA. So all in all, I do think the potential is there for BBC1 shows to rate better in that Tuesday 9pm slot especially when you compare the pros and cons of each slot available for them to play dramas, and the BBC must be thinking along those lines too as they constantly keep putting out dramas in that slot one after the other. Luther managed 6m+ officials this year in that slot after ironing out some problems from the previous series so it can happen. As I said in my previous post, I do think the way the shows are promoted might be an issue, because too often these dramas are starting in the low 5's in the overnights even though the potential is there for a high 5's start as Luther and Bonekickers demonstrated in that slot in the last few years. Starting in the low 5's doesn't give a show much room to drop over the course of a series, and even if they are relatively stable like Silk was, they still end up with consolidated ratings under 6m. Don't get me wrong, 5.5m-6.0m officials is solid stuff and certainly recommission-worthy, but it's not really a breakout level for a drama that the BBC (and indeed ITV) need right now.
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Old 20-10-2011, 23:54
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The BBC Press office for the week of 5-11 Nov Says Rev is back as is Land Girls during Daytime after Doctors, also Life's Too Short which is a fake Documentary with Warwick Davis which is made by Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant, seen the trailers for this and it looks fairly interesting.

Glad Vexed is coming back, didn't think I would be seeing it again.
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@rickygervais when does life's too short start?” 10th Nov if it's not banned http://pic.twitter.com/CPNcIyc3

Looks like it has Thursday night on BBC2, I am going to punt for 9:00pm.
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Old 21-10-2011, 00:05
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BBC One saw a boost from weaker opposition on ITV1 but the latter didn't collapse completely. Channel 4 performed very well - especially Grand Designs. Paul Merton did well for Channel 5 and Big Brother held steady.
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Old 21-10-2011, 00:09
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Is there no way in which "Harry's Law" will survive with it getting 8.2 million viewers? Is the demo rating the only thing that matters?

It just seems a shame that a clearly very popular show will be axed because younger people aren't watching.
They seem content to let it stumble along for now, but ultimately it'll come down to the demo. And to be honest, the total viewer numbers aren't too special either (although perhaps by NBC standards they are!).

Even though it skews insanely old (only 20% A18-49 last night is the lowest I can remember seeing for a US primetime show) if it were getting the same number of total viewers as Criminal Minds (13.2m) for example, it would most likely be safe on NBC (a 20% skew in a viewership of 13.2m would give HL approximately a 2.0 rating).
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Old 21-10-2011, 00:16
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Re Sherlock, just because it says 2 Jan on Amazon doesn't mean it will be released that day. 3 months out it may very probably be wrong.

Similarly, I don't see how anyone can say that Room 101 will air on Wednesdays at 8.30pm in January - in mid October. Surely the BSI will decide where to slot it a couple of weeks before transmission?

Sounds like a 9pm Friday offering if ever there was one.
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Old 21-10-2011, 00:21
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Similarly, I don't see how anyone can say that Room 101 will air on Wednesdays at 8.30pm in January - in mid October. Surely the BSI will decide where to slot it a couple of weeks before transmission?

Sounds like a 9pm Friday offering if ever there was one.
You're right, nothing is confirmed regarding that scheduling until a couple of weeks before TX. I just thought it was worth noting that a couple of people who went to the recording, according to the Room 101 thread, stated that it was said during filming it would be shown on TV pre-watershed at 8.30pm. But there's still months to go so plans might change.
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Old 21-10-2011, 00:35
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They seem content to let it stumble along for now, but ultimately it'll come down to the demo. And to be honest, the total viewer numbers aren't too special either (although perhaps by NBC standards they are!).

Even though it skews insanely old (only 20% A18-49 last night is the lowest I can remember seeing for a US primetime show) if it were getting the same number of total viewers as Criminal Minds (13.2m) for example, it would most likely be safe on NBC (a 20% skew in a viewership of 13.2m would give HL approximately a 2.0 rating).
The numbers for Harry's Law are similar to what A Gifted Man does on Friday on CBS. Blue Bloods does around 10-11m but skews quite old and CBS did test did out on Wednesdays but remained the same ratings but TBH some dramas are not designed to attract a younger audience, I imagine the 25-54 demo is very good though.
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Old 21-10-2011, 08:01
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The thing is though, that Tuesday 9pm slot has the best lead-in on any weeknight for a BBC1 9pm show. If they can't rate highly on a Tuesday against sub-3m FlopZone opposition, they're not going to do much better on other nights. Monday is the highest viewing night on a weeknight so dramas in theory should do well there, but of course there's Panorama (c3m) leading into 9pm rather than something like Holby City (c5m) which can slightly hamper how a new show begins. Also there's generally tough competition on a Monday for large parts of the year - on a Monday a BBC1 show could face c5m opposition from ITV1 whereas on Tuesdays it's normally 2-3m so while something like the Body Farm can get 4.6m on a Tuesday night against 71 Degrees North, could it manage that on a Monday night facing a typical ITV Monday night drama? Probably not. On Wednesdays, once again there's the lead-in problem due to the 8.30pm shows underperforming and like Mondays, generally there's relatively tough competition especially when there's Midsomer Murders on the other side pulling in the drama audience already. On Thursdays, it's a decent night but again, it lacks the lead-in support of Tuesdays and there's tougher competition from other channels. And Fridays generally are lower rated night for shows compared to the rest of the week, now normally reserved for comedies and panel shows. That leaves Sundays which is ideally the best night of the week to have a show due to the sheer number of people who watch on the night, but there's usually tough competition there too for large parts of the year, especially in the Autumn where it's now very difficult to put something new up against DA. So all in all, I do think the potential is there for BBC1 shows to rate better in that Tuesday 9pm slot especially when you compare the pros and cons of each slot available for them to play dramas, and the BBC must be thinking along those lines too as they constantly keep putting out dramas in that slot one after the other. Luther managed 6m+ officials this year in that slot after ironing out some problems from the previous series so it can happen. As I said in my previous post, I do think the way the shows are promoted might be an issue, because too often these dramas are starting in the low 5's in the overnights even though the potential is there for a high 5's start as Luther and Bonekickers demonstrated in that slot in the last few years. Starting in the low 5's doesn't give a show much room to drop over the course of a series, and even if they are relatively stable like Silk was, they still end up with consolidated ratings under 6m. Don't get me wrong, 5.5m-6.0m officials is solid stuff and certainly recommission-worthy, but it's not really a breakout level for a drama that the BBC (and indeed ITV) need right now.
Definitely agree. I think the BBC needs another 9 million big hitter drama apart from Doctor Who, Sherlock and New Tricks.
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Old 21-10-2011, 08:10
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US Breakfast Shows week beginning October 10:
Average daily audience


1. NBC Today 5.15 million
2. ABC GMA 4.76 m
3. CBS Early Show 2.42 m

ABC shows an 11% increase on the same week last year and NBC a drop of 1%. Good Morning America has recently been revamped and continues to close on Today which has been the morning show leader for over three years.

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Old 21-10-2011, 09:48
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Hidden averaged 3.8m/16.4pct last night.
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Old 21-10-2011, 10:56
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A few others

TOS (BBC1) - 4.5m
Watchdog (BBC1) 4.1m

Beeny's Restoration Nightmare (C4) - 1.6m (1.9m inc +1)

European Football (C5) - 1.7m
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Old 21-10-2011, 12:04
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Full roundup from DS: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...-for-itv2.html

Another drop for Hidden, next week Lumley may well end up beating it.
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Old 21-10-2011, 12:07
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A few others

TOS (BBC1) - 4.5m
Watchdog (BBC1) 4.1m

Beeny's Restoration Nightmare (C4) - 1.6m (1.9m inc +1)

European Football (C5) - 1.7m
TOS wasn't shown in Scotland, it was replaced by a programme about Rangers football club
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Old 21-10-2011, 12:14
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Very good rating for BB considering the 11.15pm finish.

Third place for C5 overall - they will miss Europa next year for sure.
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Old 21-10-2011, 12:26
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More on TV audiences for #Gaddafi yesterday: #BBCNews Ch 1.77% share (Sky 1.32% share); BBC NewsCh Special on BBC2 at 2.15pm ave 0.4m
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Old 21-10-2011, 12:50
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Is there no way in which "Harry's Law" will survive with it getting 8.2 million viewers? Is the demo rating the only thing that matters?

It just seems a shame that a clearly very popular show will be axed because younger people aren't watching.
It looks as if it'll finish its current episode order (13) but at this point I'd be surprised if more episodes are ordered and utterly amazed if another season was picked up. In general I'm not sure why NBC renewed this in the first place beyond keeping the peace with Kelley after not picking Wonder Woman up.

I think CBS moved The Mentalist to Thursdays in order to have NCIS Los Angeles in the post NCIS slot, it should have either stayed in that slot or moved to 9pm and switched with CSI, It's still doing well but I do think beyond season 5 looks doubtful especially as the show is made by Warner Bros rather than CBS TV Studios.
They moved it in part to clear 9PM for NCIS: LA and also because at the time they were intending to switch it with CSI the following season. However it basically collapsed at 10PM and that plan was scrapped. The irony being that I think there's every chance it'll ultimately end up at 9PM midseason because they don't really have anything else to schedule there and I can't imagine they'll want to keep Person of Interest in the slot. The Mentalist might at least crack a 3 at 9PM.

Personally I think it'll keep going beyond season 5. The syndication deal Warner Bros. have for the show is very good and that'll only get better when they can push into stripped syndication nationally in a couple of years. Assuming it holds up in syndication Warner Bros. will want more episodes and will likely be willing to discount the CBS license fee to get them. Remember that this is the same company that is basically giving away Fringe and Chuck this year to get them to syndication level and neither of those shows is going to sell like wildfire.

Re Sherlock, just because it says 2 Jan on Amazon doesn't mean it will be released that day. 3 months out it may very probably be wrong.
It sounds a lot like the originally planned release date from before Sherlock was pushed back to me.


In other news reports are that both Person of Interest and Unforgettable are on the verge of full season orders from CBS. Neither is hugely surprising what will be surprising is if both shows aren't moved to new slots midseason.
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Old 21-10-2011, 13:04
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Good to see the BBC remembers there are still plenty of people who can't receive the news channels
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Old 21-10-2011, 14:21
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Thursday 20th October Roundup
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.56m (21.7%)
18:00- BBC News at Six: 5m (26.79%)
19:00- The One Show: 4.5m (20.9%)
19:30- EastEnders: 7.75m (34.3%)
20:00- Watchdog: 4.06m (16.7%)
21:00- Hidden: 3.76m (16.4%)
22:00- BBC News at Ten: 4.75m (23.7%)
22:35- Question Time: 2.31m (20.3%)

BBC Two
14:15- BBC News Special: 0.4m
19:00- A History of Ancient Britain: 1.61m (7.3%)
20:00- The Great British Bakeoff Revisited: 1.51m (6.2%)
21:00- Mixed Britannia: 1.26m (5.4%) inc HD
22:00- Mock The Week: 1.41m (7.1%)

ITV1
18:30- ITV Evening News: 3.47m (17.03%) , +1: 70k (0.3%)
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.92m (32.1%)
20:00- Emmerdale: 6.72m (28.2%) , +1: 300k (1.3%)
20:30- Coronation Street: 7.33m (29.7%) , +1: 220k (1%)
21:00- Joanna Lumley's Greek Odyssey: 3.59m (15.6%) , +1: 148k (0.8%)
22:00- ITV News at Ten: 2.27m (11.5%) , +1: 76k (0.72%)

Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.11m (5.5%)
19:00- Channel 4 News: 762k (3.45%) , +1: 45k (0.2%)
20:00- Beeny's Restoration Nightmare: 1.62m (6.7%) , +1: 286k (1.2%)
21:00- Educating Essex: 1.52m (6.6%) , +1: 247k (0.8%)
22:00- Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares USA: 970k (5.5%) , +1: 125k (1.4%)

Channel 5
13:45- Neighbours: 715k (9.9%)
17:30- Neighbours: 1.18m (7.3%)
18:00- Home and Away: 857k (4.6%)
19:30- UEFA Europa League: Tottenham v Rubin Kazan: 1.68m (7.2%)
22:15- Big Brother: 1.37m (8.8%)
23:15- Big Brother's Bit On The Side: 447k (5.6%)

Primetime Shares
BBC One: 20.6%
ITV1: 19.4% (+1: 0.6%)
Channel 5: 6.6%
BBC Two: 6.3%
Channel 4: 5.6% (+1: 0.8%)

Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary

Multichannel
5*
18:30- Home and Away: 476k (2.3%)

Alibi (inc +1)
21:00- New Tricks: 177k

Al Jazeera
- peak: 77k (0.39%) at 18:25

BBC Three
21:00- Don't Tell The Bride - The Vegas One: 427k (1.8%)
22:00- EastEnders: 600k (3%)

BBC Four
21:00- Shock and Awe: The Story of Electricity: 408k (1.8%)

BBC News
- peak: 407k (3.22%) at 17:05
- all day share: 1.77%

Dave (inc +1)
21:00- New Jo Brand's Big Splash: 300k

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 559k (2.6%) , +1: 135k (0.6%)
22:00- The Inbetweeners: 312k (inc +1)

Film4 (inc +1)
19:00- Clueless: 216k
21:00- The Illusionist: 355k

GOLD (inc +1)
21:15- Gavin & Stacey: 145k

ITV2
20:00- The X Factor USA: 732k (3.1%) , +1: 141k (0.7%)
22:00- Celebrity Juice: 1.28m (6.7%) , +1: 206k (2.1%)

ITV3 (inc +1)
21:00- Taggart: 0.7m (2.9%)

ITV4 (inc +1)
17:30- UEFA Europa League Live: 0.6m (2.6%)

More4 (inc +1)
22:00- The Closer: 205k

Sky 1
22:00- House: 183k (1%)

Sky News
- peak: 290k (1.59%) at 18:00
- all day share: 1.32%

Sources: Attentional, Broadcast, C4Sales, DS (1) (2), ITV Media, Kevin Bakhurst
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Old 21-10-2011, 14:25
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The BBC have commissioned a new studio sitcom for BBC One - Citizen Khan, to be shown in Autumn 2012. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre.../21/khan.shtml
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Old 21-10-2011, 15:08
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for those that care, ITV1 top 30's for w/e 2nd October and 9th October are now appearing on BARB website
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Old 21-10-2011, 15:11
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Old 21-10-2011, 15:11
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I Don't understand that. Looking at that offical rating of X Factor 11.34 that's lower then the overnight i'm sure that was 11.64m How can that be?
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