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It's providing acres of coverage for the media.
X Factor ratings woe continues as Strictly Come Dancing wins head-to-head I see the Mirror's poll of viewers suggests 61% think this series is a flop and an astonishing 56% think TXF in its current format has had its day.
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I think X Factor's Final will still rate higher than Strictly's. But it really depends on what kind of y-o-y drops it'll be experiencing around that time. If it's -10%, it'll probably be about 2m ahead of SCD's final. But if it's around -20% (like last night), the two finals will rate quite close to each other, bearing in mind SCD is down less than -5% vs. last year so far.
Week 4: 11.0m/10.4m/9.8m Week 5: 11.0m/10.4m/9.8m Week 6: 12.2m/11.5m/10.8m Week 7: 11.9m/11.2m/10.6m Week 8: 12.2m/11.6m/10.9m Week 9: 12.3m/11.6m/11.0m Week 10: 12.7m/12.0m/11.3m So I think whilst the next 2 weeks will be closest to the -15% figure, I can't see it having a big jump in week 6 like last year so it could fall into the -20% range, which would lead to an 11.3m rating for the final Saturday show, which looks about right based on the 10.9m/10.1m/10.1m that its had for the first 3 live shows. Meanwhile, if the remaining Sunday shows are down -10%/15%/20% then the ratings would be: Week 3: 12.2m/11.6m/10.9m Week 4: 12.5m/11.8m/11.1m Week 5: 13.4m/12.7m/11.9m Week 6: 13.1m/12.3m/11.6m Week 7: 13.7m/12.9m/12.2m Week 8: 13.3m/12.6m/11.8m Week 9: 13.6m/12.8m/12.1m Week 10: 15.5m/14.6m/13.8m Based on the fact that the first 2 live results shows have had 11.9m and 11.6m, I think tonight's will be somewhere between the -10% and -15% ratings, as 'bullygate' might boost it slightly. After that however I think from week 5 onwards it'll be somewhere between the -15% and -20% ratings, with the final somewhere in the middle with around 14.2m. I can't see ITV being too happy with the way this series is going. They won't be pushing the panic button but I'll be surprised if all 4 judges are still in place next year, and we may see a few format changes. I don't think the format itself is the problem. I think they need to lighten the tone a bit to make it more 'fun' and choose contestants for the live shows more wisely. Ditching Jade at judges houses and then Amelia in the twist (which shouldn't be repeated) were both really bad moves. As for the judges, if Simon doesn't come back then Louis and Gary are probably definites to return next year but I think at least one of the girls will be replaced. |
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Saturday 22nd October Overnights
BBC One 17:25- Celebrity Masterchef - 3.87m (21.9%) 18:25- Strictly Come Dancing - 9.45m (38.7%) 20:15- Merlin - 5.52m (21.4%) 21:00- Casualty - 4.23m (16.6%) 21:50- The National Lottery Draws - 4.10m (18.1%) 22:00- BBC News - 3.93m (18.4%) BBC Two 20:15- Dad's Army: 2.02m (7.8%) 20:45- Britain's Flying Past: 1.44m (5.6%) 21:45- QI XL: 1.41m (6.6%) ITV1 17:30- You've Been Framed! - 3.16m (17.6%) , +1: 358k 18:30- All Star Family Fortunes - 3.98m (16.9%) , +1: 160k 19:30- Harry Hill's TV Burp - 4.70m (18.6%) , +1: 241k 20:00- The X Factor - 9.77m (38.0%) , +1: 340k 21:55- The Jonathan Ross Show - 3.48m (17.4%) , +1: 187k Channel 4 19:00- Time Team: 670k (2.7%) 20:00- World War II: The Last Heroes: 730k (2.8%) 21:00- The Hurt Locker: 1.42m (6.8%) Channel 5 20:05- NCIS: 646k (2.5%) 20:55- NCIS: 655k (2.6%) 21:55- Big Brother: 938k (4.7%) BBC Four 21:00- Monty Python's Life of Brian: 975k (4.1%) ITV2 21:55- The Xtra Factor: 816k (4.1%) Primetime Shares ITV1: 28.2% BBC One: 25.5% BBC Two: 5.6% Channel 4: 4.4% Channel 5: 3.1% Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary Source: DS |
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It is driven by the Daily Mail
(Whereas X Factor viewers are more likely to be brainwashed by the 'red-top' media publications) |
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I bet ITV are on the phone right now to Cowell and telling him they expect him or Cole to come back and save the show.
It is worrying, but it's also obviously down to the talent considering the auditions held firm on last year - so they can't blame the judges and shouldn't hit the panic button. That said I suspect Cole is more likely than Cowell to return next year - and that would be another classic example of producers doing what they believe viewers would want but actually it's practically the complete opposite. As for Cowell - I bet he's just happy the US version is finally outrating the UK version! |
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I did actually watch a bit of TXF last night. Some fat lass making a right horlicks of a soft rock number, karaoked up to the max, Louis camping it up big time and Gary being heckled, half heartedly, by the audience. Really can't see what the fuss is all about. Perhaps that's why viewers are switching off.
On the plus side, the American judge has nice breasts. |
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Low for X Factor, but still in terms or normal viewing, still a great figure.
I am actually surprised that BB did that well, last night was 20 mins of repeats completely, and I know a lot of people would have given up with it last night. Standout figures from SCD and Merlin as always. |
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Never thought I would see SCD only 300,000 behind X Factor this year. I think its time for widespread panic at ITV/Cowell Towers, wouldnt be surprised if Cole or Cowell were parachuted in sometime soon.
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Life of Brian did well with a million viewers on BBC4 last night - for a 32 year old film lots of people will have seen many times.
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Never thought I would see SCD only 300,000 behind X Factor this year. I think its time for widespread panic at ITV/Cowell Towers, wouldnt be surprised if Cole or Cowell were parachuted in sometime soon.
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Never thought I would see SCD only 300,000 behind X Factor this year. I think its time for widespread panic at ITV/Cowell Towers, wouldnt be surprised if Cole or Cowell were parachuted in sometime soon.
That is a real turnaround. Cowell will almost certainly be back within weeks, if not days. Will it make any difference though? Surely it will just feed the "ratings crisis" headlines, and damage the brand further, if they boot one of the judges off (Barlow, presumably?) to bring Cowell back? |
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3.9m for Masterchef, thats almost decent.
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Big Brother did quite well for a repeat with a bit of new stuff tacked onto the end.
![]() MasterChef finale rated OK given its other ratings this series, but its capable of a lot more. |
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No i don't agree. Maybe next week if ratings are down again and Strictly beats it they will start to panic. but it's still the most watched tv program
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First panic came earlier in the week when they panic-moved TXF right out of SCD's all conquering path for the rest of the run.
That is a real turnaround. Cowell will almost certainly be back within weeks, if not days. Will it make any difference though? Surely it will just feed the "ratings crisis" headlines, and damage the brand further, if they boot one of the judges off (Barlow, presumably?) to bring Cowell back? Im wondering what will artificially happen next week. Maybe a judge walks off and says theyve quit the show? |
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3.9m for Masterchef, thats almost decent.
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3.9m for Masterchef, thats almost decent.
Then, those who watched on Saturday had to watch again a highlights package for much of the hour. |
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Look at the gap between the two shows last year and this year, that tells you the whole story.
Im sure Cowell would boost a rating for a return but the whole show is looking tired and any increase would diminish fast. Im wondering what will artificially happen next week. Maybe a judge walks off and says theyve quit the show? |
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TXF could always do an Op Knocks and just keep going. It was only cancelled due to Hughie Green making political statements and annoying his bosses.
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Yesterday's The X Factor (inc +1) was down -17% vs. the third live show last year. That's quite a hefty drop, bearing in mind in recent weeks it was -10%.
Live Show 1: -10% Live Show 2: -10% Live Show 3: -17% Considering the SCD clash was smaller than previous weeks yesterday, it really ought to have been around that -10% mark. It suggests to me though that the gap between the two series (2010 and 2011) could get progressively wider as this series goes on as this series isn't showing signs of building a lot of momentum like the last two years. The Voice couldn't have come at a better time, really. With ratings falling for The X Factor and general public perception of the show being in decline at the moment, it's probably the best time for another singing format like The Voice to launch in the last 5 years. The fact that The Voice actually focusses on talent (on the whole) will be an advantage for it when setting it apart from The X Factor and will give it a positive image when comparisons between the two shows are done. I doubt it'd actually hit XF levels (or even come close) but I can see it doing really well for a light entertainment show compared to recent efforts. The Jan-Feb-Mar period just cries out to be dominated on Saturday nights and neither channel appears to recognise this. I just dont think the BBC is giving the hugely important get that is The Voice the best chance. Presumably ITV wil attempt to strangle it at birth anyway with something or other but lighter nights wont assist with the birth either. As for XF and SCD, SCD is doing everything it can to keep hang onto viewers-its a big show-every celebrity had a video insert (Robbie Savage was dancing in the half time break at Reading Football Club) which iirc has only been the case with selected celebs in previous years. There is bickering, great dancing, daft dancing and for the moment its flowing -next week is a Halloween special which no doubt they will go to town on again. Its become the pantomime that propelled XF to its biggest ratings.XF has undoubtedly had a stumble-maybe similar to the one SCD had in 2009. I certainly would not rule out the golden foursome all returning next year (and if was a betting man I would have a crafty tenner). Forget the acts- XF greatest success has been based around Cowell Minogue Cole and Walsh. |
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I did actually watch a bit of TXF last night. Some fat lass making a right horlicks of a soft rock number, karaoked up to the max, Louis camping it up big time and Gary being heckled, half heartedly, by the audience. Really can't see what the fuss is all about. Perhaps that's why viewers are switching off.
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I agree that while it looks like this series will be on the low side, there is no way it can be used as a prediction of future series, there are too many factors that come into play, the same goes for SCD, you can't say that 2012's will be higher than 2011's because it is higher than 2010's.
I have to laugh at all the people in this thread saying 'I watched a bit of TXF last night and I thought it was rubbish' as if that is news. Many people in this thread have disliked TXF even when it was on the up, TXF discussion has had a negative vibe in this thread every year. |
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Last night's final episode was a rip-off. Those who watched it for 6 weeks Monday to Friday, and therefore expected to find out the winner last Friday afternoon, were told at the end that they would actually reveal the winner on Saturday
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Life of Brian did well with a million viewers on BBC4 last night - for a 32 year old film lots of people will have seen many times.
Next week BBC4 is back on the Swedish Wallander repeats, so maybe X Factor will soar back up in the ratings.
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I really don't know why everyone is surprised that X Factor is hemorrhaging viewers. When Cowell left for the US he made a choice and sent out a signal that he felt the UK X Factor was inferior to its US counterpart.
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It is worrying, but it's also obviously down to the talent considering the auditions held firm on last year - so they can't blame the judges and shouldn't hit the panic button.
Its possible that the early interest in the audition stages was people checking out the new judging panel and ultimately deciding come boot camp and judges houses that they didn't like them. I think there's also the issue that the judging panel have gone from the tightly edited stages of the show to the live shows and all of their flaws that the production team worked so hard to hide in the early stages are there for the world to see. The production team have no one but themselves to blame though. It still amazes me that they managed to hire a panel that is almost completely devoid of charisma and personality. Kelly Rowland is basically carrying the entire judging panel at this point and she comes off looking ridiculously OTT because she's surrounded by such blandness. Quote:
No i don't agree. Maybe next week if ratings are down again and Strictly beats it they will start to panic. but it's still the most watched tv program
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Cowell will almost certainly be back within weeks, if not days. Will it make any difference though? Surely it will just feed the "ratings crisis" headlines, and damage the brand further, if they boot one of the judges off (Barlow, presumably?) to bring Cowell back?
My guess is that Cheryl will return next year. Probably replacing Tulisa who hasn't worked out at all this year. Ideally they'd get rid of Barlow as well given that he is a charisma blockhole but unfortunately I think they might be stuck with him for another year at least. It might be finally time to ditch Louis Walsh next year as well and bring in a male judge with some charisma and a personality. Assuming he doesn't do The Voice they could do worse than grab Robbie Williams that would give the press the chance to dig up the Gary vs. Robbie stories. |
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The X Factor will always pull ahead in the consolidated ratings.
From Matt J on another thread: Saturday 15 October 2011 - Peaktime Finals 1...The X Factor - 11.14m (39.6%) [+1: 470k] 2...Strictly Come Dancing - 10.08m (40.6%) Strictly added about 1m to its overnight rating, The X Factor about 1.5m. But that's quite close. |
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The X Factor will always pull ahead in the consolidated ratings.
From Matt J on another thread: Saturday 15 October 2011 - Peaktime Finals 1...The X Factor - 11.14m (39.6%) [+1: 470k] 2...Strictly Come Dancing - 10.08m (40.6%) Strictly added about 1m to its overnight rating, The X Factor about 1.5m. But that's quite close. But then I suppose some would want to add the X Factor repeats ITV air during the week as well which would probably push X Factor back in front again. |
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