Looking at the 2009 ratings live show 4 got 10.19m so 9.9m +1 doesn't seem to bad. Then the week after it was up and got 11.79m so i suppose the same could happen next week
The Ratings Thread (Part 26)
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Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Old joke but a good one. He might have another dig lined up next week too now!
btw, at which point was the wardrobe malfunction?
”
“Old joke but a good one. He might have another dig lined up next week too now!
btw, at which point was the wardrobe malfunction?
”
Robbie,
Was 21:10 secs for those eagle-eyed viewers out there. Steady there grandpa!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ries_9_Week_5/
Originally Posted by C14E:
“I don't think Halloween should make too much difference (maybe a bit). It's next weekend that will be the bigger one.
5th November 2005:
Strictly Come Dancing Performances - 7.23m
* Down 6% on previous week
Strictly Come Dancing Results - 6.98m
* Flat vs previous week
X Factor Performances - 7.76m
* Down 10% on previous week
X Factor Results - 7.51m
* Down 21% on previous week
X Factor aired at 6.50pm that week, the results show was at 9.10pm. Strictly started at 6.20pm and the results were at 9.10pm.”
“I don't think Halloween should make too much difference (maybe a bit). It's next weekend that will be the bigger one.
5th November 2005:
Strictly Come Dancing Performances - 7.23m
* Down 6% on previous week
Strictly Come Dancing Results - 6.98m
* Flat vs previous week
X Factor Performances - 7.76m
* Down 10% on previous week
X Factor Results - 7.51m
* Down 21% on previous week
X Factor aired at 6.50pm that week, the results show was at 9.10pm. Strictly started at 6.20pm and the results were at 9.10pm.”
Because six year old data is oh so relevent. I've always thought the bonfire night effect was overplayed on here.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Last night's #Strictly was watched by an average of 10.2m - the most watched programme on any channel. #BBC1 #SCD
The #Strictly peak audience of 11.5m was also the highest rating of the day across all channels #BBC1 #scd
Source: Sam Hodges”
“Last night's #Strictly was watched by an average of 10.2m - the most watched programme on any channel. #BBC1 #SCD
The #Strictly peak audience of 11.5m was also the highest rating of the day across all channels #BBC1 #scd
Source: Sam Hodges”
Well we all saw that coming. In all honesty it's exactly what The X Factor needed - they won't take the ratings for granted next year as they have done in the last couple of years. I don't believe Simon will come in to save the day (he's made it clear the US version is his priority) - I just think like Strictly did last year they'll just polish the whole show up a bit and refocus slightly. And as I said earlier in the year it's the Boot Camp/Judges House stage they need to look at as that is where the tide turned this year with the ratings and I think they need to look once again at the best way to get down to the final 12, and as someone said earlier, set up the narrative for the live shows so people do want to watch the acts.
Strictly may be set to win the battle this year, but I think next year just got a whole lot more interesting.
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“So i wonder what will happen next year. Will X Factor keep going down and end up like Big Brother or will it do a Strictly and end up getting better ratings”
“So i wonder what will happen next year. Will X Factor keep going down and end up like Big Brother or will it do a Strictly and end up getting better ratings”
The Big Brother comparison is a good one. Big Brother got too 'greedy' around 2006 onwards, and started to stuff the house full of weirdo's and add in constant twists to get tabloid attention and in the end it became a parody.
XFactor has started to do the same in the last few years, which is now starting to damage the show IMO.
why the producers do this baffles me, as XFactor's biggest ratings increase came between 2008 and 2009, on the back of a fantastic year that produced acts like Alexandra Burke, JLS and Diana Vickers...and even some of the other evictees like Ruth Lorenzo, Laura White even Eoghan Quigg would walk this years series.
Talent is what makes the viewers tune in, not dramatic voice overs proclaiming it has been "the most dramatic week EVER" and endless tabloid gossip.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Because six year old data is oh so relevent. I've always thought the bonfire night effect was overplayed on here.
Well we all saw that coming. In all honesty it's exactly what The X Factor needed - they won't take the ratings for granted next year as they have done in the last couple of years. I don't believe Simon will come in to save the day (he's made it clear the US version is his priority) - I just think like Strictly did last year they'll just polish the whole show up a bit and refocus slightly. And as I said earlier in the year it's the Boot Camp/Judges House stage they need to look at as that is where the tide turned this year with the ratings and I think they need to look once again at the best way to get down to the final 12, and as someone said earlier, set up the narrative for the live shows so people do want to watch the acts.
Strictly may be set to win the battle this year, but I think next year just got a whole lot more interesting.”
“Because six year old data is oh so relevent. I've always thought the bonfire night effect was overplayed on here.
Well we all saw that coming. In all honesty it's exactly what The X Factor needed - they won't take the ratings for granted next year as they have done in the last couple of years. I don't believe Simon will come in to save the day (he's made it clear the US version is his priority) - I just think like Strictly did last year they'll just polish the whole show up a bit and refocus slightly. And as I said earlier in the year it's the Boot Camp/Judges House stage they need to look at as that is where the tide turned this year with the ratings and I think they need to look once again at the best way to get down to the final 12, and as someone said earlier, set up the narrative for the live shows so people do want to watch the acts.
Strictly may be set to win the battle this year, but I think next year just got a whole lot more interesting.”
100% agree with what you are saying. This could be good for X Factor maybe next year get rid of deadlock and judges let the public decide. Introduce a 5th celebrity guest judge every weekend. and also have a live show where the 12 acts are revealed.
Originally Posted by AnthonyC:
“Robbie,
Was 21:10 secs for those eagle-eyed viewers out there. Steady there grandpa!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ries_9_Week_5/”
“Robbie,
Was 21:10 secs for those eagle-eyed viewers out there. Steady there grandpa!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ries_9_Week_5/”
That looked like an accident waiting to happen!
l suspect it's not gone unnoticed on the Best Boobs thread...
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“100% agree with what you are saying. This could be good for X Factor maybe next year get rid of deadlock and judges let the public decide. Introduce a 5th celebrity guest judge every weekend. and also have a live show where the 12 acts are revealed.”
“100% agree with what you are saying. This could be good for X Factor maybe next year get rid of deadlock and judges let the public decide. Introduce a 5th celebrity guest judge every weekend. and also have a live show where the 12 acts are revealed.”
I don't think its the results show and deadlock which is harming the show. I think the results show is one area XFactor does better than Strictly, who's result show is always hampered by not being live, and has a lot of filler (IMO of course)
I think it is the Auditons, Boot Camp and Judges House stages that need looking at.
I preferred the auditions when it was just the auditionees singing acapella to the judges, as the 'new' format just invites attention seekers like Frankie to show off.
The Boot Camp and Judges House stages of the show always seems pointless as the judges/producers already seem to have the finalists in mind. You get the impression that certain acts could give awful performances at these stages but still make the final. While others could stun the judges yet if they aren't on the 'chosen' list it doesn't matter anyway. The audience has to believe that an act has been put through for their potential and not just to make good TV.
I am not a fan of the x factor, but i see nothing wrong with them ratings. Panicing cause u get almost 10m seems a bit stange to me.
I dont think the show would be fairing much better with Simon in it either. I think a small amount of people are just sick of it.
Enough to cause a slight dip in ratings.
I dont think the show would be fairing much better with Simon in it either. I think a small amount of people are just sick of it.
Enough to cause a slight dip in ratings.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Well we all saw that coming. In all honesty it's exactly what The X Factor needed - they won't take the ratings for granted next year as they have done in the last couple of years. I don't believe Simon will come in to save the day (he's made it clear the US version is his priority) - I just think like Strictly did last year they'll just polish the whole show up a bit and refocus slightly. And as I said earlier in the year it's the Boot Camp/Judges House stage they need to look at as that is where the tide turned this year with the ratings and I think they need to look once again at the best way to get down to the final 12, and as someone said earlier, set up the narrative for the live shows so people do want to watch the acts.”
“Well we all saw that coming. In all honesty it's exactly what The X Factor needed - they won't take the ratings for granted next year as they have done in the last couple of years. I don't believe Simon will come in to save the day (he's made it clear the US version is his priority) - I just think like Strictly did last year they'll just polish the whole show up a bit and refocus slightly. And as I said earlier in the year it's the Boot Camp/Judges House stage they need to look at as that is where the tide turned this year with the ratings and I think they need to look once again at the best way to get down to the final 12, and as someone said earlier, set up the narrative for the live shows so people do want to watch the acts.”
I'm not sure I'd agree with the idea that The X Factor team have taken the ratings for granted. They have worked constantly to keep the show in the press with all manner of manufactured controversy and conflict. I think it might be fairer to say that they've taken for granted that, that tactic will always work. In previous years for example accusations of bullying amongst the contestants and press stories of judges falling out and no longer talking to one another would have driven ratings up but this year it just hasn't worked. Now either that's because the audience has just grown tired of this particular circus or they haven't connected with this batch of contestants and these judges (or a combination of the two).
To be honest with you I think the producers shot themselves in the foot with the 'new generation' hype because they haven't really delivered on that. The entire series has just played out like a greatest hits compilation to the point where you can pick any given contestant this year and say that they're this years [insert previous contestant here]. When you add to that mix Gary Barlow doing an awful Simon Cowell impression and a judging panel completely devoid of chemistry and personality things get even worse. At this point its fairly obvious that they'll have to rethink the show for next year and it'll be interesting to see what they opt to change and how they decide to refocus.
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“100% agree with what you are saying. This could be good for X Factor maybe next year get rid of deadlock and judges let the public decide. Introduce a 5th celebrity guest judge every weekend. and also have a live show where the 12 acts are revealed.”
“100% agree with what you are saying. This could be good for X Factor maybe next year get rid of deadlock and judges let the public decide. Introduce a 5th celebrity guest judge every weekend. and also have a live show where the 12 acts are revealed.”
I don't think we've seen anything this year to suggest that they should mess with the format for the results show. In truth I think the sing-off and judges decision format works well and its always good to create a 'shock' exit or two. Adding a fifth judge for the live shows would be a poor idea as well I think and cause chaos with the run time I suspect.
However I'd agree that a live reveal of the finalists is something they should look at. I've never quite understood why they haven't done that already. The big priority though has got to be 'fixing' the boot camp and judges houses stage because they've never found a format that really works for that. I do wonder if having a revolving set of 'guest judges' during the auditions (as they did last year) and then revealing the final judging panel at boot camp or at the judges houses might help drive interest in those stages up. Of course they'd never actually be able to keep the final judging panel secret from the press so that might not work although I do wonder how quickly they can turn around production for the Boot Camp and Judges Houses stage...
Of course if The Voice weren't launching next year then I'd probably suggest they just nick its 'Battle Round' stage (or a variant on it) as a replacement for Judges Houses. I suppose they could do a pre-recorded boot camp with a revolving judging panel and then have a couple of live shows where the final judging panel and their categories are revealed and then whittled down to the finalists proper. So you'd have something like this
Saturday - Final judging panel and their categories revealed. Then Groups and Boys perform with their judge selecting 3 or 4 finalists
Sunday - Overs and Girls perform with their judge selecting 3 or 4 finalists
Seems very weird to be looking at XF live show ratings under 10m. Big year-on-year decline which is obviously going to be causing a lot of head-scratching among the producers and ITV. Shouldn't distract from a brilliant performance from Strictly, though - which is tracking last years numbers very closely indeed.
Some strong performances from the talent show accompaniment last night, too. Merlin is going really strongly opposite XF. It's always worked really well with a Strictly lead-in, but I think the slightly later hour is working out well for it too. The BBC schedulers seem to have embraced the idea that a family drama is fine in that 8pm hour - and you wonder whether it's something they'd try to see if it added sheen to Doctor Who overnights too... On ITV, I'm sure the channel will be quite pleased with the Celebrity Chase and also Life Stories - which both seem up on comparative shows. Piers Morgan seems to have found himself a niche (with the right guest) that really takes advantage of the absence of proper sit-down interview shows about nowadays.
And at the risk of veering slightly OT, some observations about XF... Had to watch the whole show last night for the first time in ages - and it's quite a discomforting watch compared to the jovial, camp camerarderie of Strictly. The production gives the impression that these people are multi-platinum selling idols already - which they're blatantly not. The focus is all on the diva's and not on the normal, relatable, humble contestants that offer any sort of feel good factor. If the PR team thought the "bullying" story was going to help, then they proved themselves somewhat out of touch. It seems (and I didn't expect to be saying this a few weeks back) that the time when any publicity equalled good publicity for the show, is over.
Let's not go overboard, of course. XF will be comfortably ahead tonight again - but I daresay the rest of the series is relative damage control before a big overhaul. And if that overhaul has to include Cowell, then it's a damning inditement of Syco's stated policy to become less reliant on his personality.
Some strong performances from the talent show accompaniment last night, too. Merlin is going really strongly opposite XF. It's always worked really well with a Strictly lead-in, but I think the slightly later hour is working out well for it too. The BBC schedulers seem to have embraced the idea that a family drama is fine in that 8pm hour - and you wonder whether it's something they'd try to see if it added sheen to Doctor Who overnights too... On ITV, I'm sure the channel will be quite pleased with the Celebrity Chase and also Life Stories - which both seem up on comparative shows. Piers Morgan seems to have found himself a niche (with the right guest) that really takes advantage of the absence of proper sit-down interview shows about nowadays.
And at the risk of veering slightly OT, some observations about XF... Had to watch the whole show last night for the first time in ages - and it's quite a discomforting watch compared to the jovial, camp camerarderie of Strictly. The production gives the impression that these people are multi-platinum selling idols already - which they're blatantly not. The focus is all on the diva's and not on the normal, relatable, humble contestants that offer any sort of feel good factor. If the PR team thought the "bullying" story was going to help, then they proved themselves somewhat out of touch. It seems (and I didn't expect to be saying this a few weeks back) that the time when any publicity equalled good publicity for the show, is over.
Let's not go overboard, of course. XF will be comfortably ahead tonight again - but I daresay the rest of the series is relative damage control before a big overhaul. And if that overhaul has to include Cowell, then it's a damning inditement of Syco's stated policy to become less reliant on his personality.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Are you saying you disagree Strictly will beat The X Factor or the reason behind it?”
“Are you saying you disagree Strictly will beat The X Factor or the reason behind it?
”
Both but I guess I was wrong on both counts.
Who would have thought it a couple of months ago we would be in a situation where SCD actually beat X Factor again. Cowell must be fuming at this news
, if replacing a judge and a bad member cant pull more people back im not sure what will.And this news may be more enjoyable to Brucie than receiving his knighthood.
Just because X-Factor has a 10m audience does not mean the show is doing all right.
If a large chunk of those watching are not as "into it" as in previous years then that rating could go south overnight. 10m in this case is weak because of the reasons why numbers are down.
If a large chunk of those watching are not as "into it" as in previous years then that rating could go south overnight. 10m in this case is weak because of the reasons why numbers are down.
Saturday 29th October Overnights
BBC One
18:30- Strictly Come Dancing: 10.16m (42.7%)
20:10- Merlin: 5.9m (23.7%)
20:55- Casualty: 4.37m (18.2%)
BBC Two
19:40- 'Allo, 'Allo!: 1.33m (5.3%)
20:10- Dad's Army: 1.96m (7.7%)
20:40- Code-Breakers: Bletchley Park's Lost Heroes: 1.31m (5.4%)
ITV1
18:00- Celebrity Chase: 3.7m (inc +1)
19:30- Harry Hill's TV Burp: 4.43m (18.2%)
20:00- The X Factor: 9.59m (38.8%) , +1: 313k (1.4%)
21:45- Piers Morgan's Life Stories: 4.17m (19.6%) , +1: c200k
Channel 4
19:45- World War II: The Last Heroes: 540k (2.1%)
20:45- Jamie's Great Britain: 590k (2.5%)
21:45- Ghosts of Girlfriends Past: 1.16m (6.2%) , +1: 224k (1.8%)
Channel 5
19:55- A Fistful of Dollars: 864k (3.5%)
21:45- Big Brother: 907k (4.3%)
ITV2
21:45- The Xtra Factor: 713k (3.3%)
ITV3
21:00- Foyle's War: 960k (4.5%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One: 28.8%
ITV1: 27.6%
BBC Two: 5.8%
Channel 5: 3.4%
Channel 4: 3.3%
Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary
Source: DS
BBC One
18:30- Strictly Come Dancing: 10.16m (42.7%)
20:10- Merlin: 5.9m (23.7%)
20:55- Casualty: 4.37m (18.2%)
BBC Two
19:40- 'Allo, 'Allo!: 1.33m (5.3%)
20:10- Dad's Army: 1.96m (7.7%)
20:40- Code-Breakers: Bletchley Park's Lost Heroes: 1.31m (5.4%)
ITV1
18:00- Celebrity Chase: 3.7m (inc +1)
19:30- Harry Hill's TV Burp: 4.43m (18.2%)
20:00- The X Factor: 9.59m (38.8%) , +1: 313k (1.4%)
21:45- Piers Morgan's Life Stories: 4.17m (19.6%) , +1: c200k
Channel 4
19:45- World War II: The Last Heroes: 540k (2.1%)
20:45- Jamie's Great Britain: 590k (2.5%)
21:45- Ghosts of Girlfriends Past: 1.16m (6.2%) , +1: 224k (1.8%)
Channel 5
19:55- A Fistful of Dollars: 864k (3.5%)
21:45- Big Brother: 907k (4.3%)
ITV2
21:45- The Xtra Factor: 713k (3.3%)
ITV3
21:00- Foyle's War: 960k (4.5%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One: 28.8%
ITV1: 27.6%
BBC Two: 5.8%
Channel 5: 3.4%
Channel 4: 3.3%
Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary
Source: DS
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Let's not go overboard, of course. XF will be comfortably ahead tonight again - but I daresay the rest of the series is relative damage control before a big overhaul. And if that overhaul has to include Cowell, then it's a damning inditement of Syco's stated policy to become less reliant on his personality.”
“Let's not go overboard, of course. XF will be comfortably ahead tonight again - but I daresay the rest of the series is relative damage control before a big overhaul. And if that overhaul has to include Cowell, then it's a damning inditement of Syco's stated policy to become less reliant on his personality.”
It has always seemed very counter intuitive to me that they want to run away from the fact that Cowell is popular. I understand that they (correctly) feel that it isn't a viable long term strategy for Cowell to be the central focus of all their formats but at the same time simply removing him from the formats doesn't really seem to have worked. Particularly not for The X Factor. Surely it would have made more sense to have a transition away from Cowell? To have added someone to a panel with Cowell that could have served as a counter point to him and been built up as a natural successor to him. I suppose that's what they tried with Cheryl Cole but then they went and screwed that up...
The papers will be regretting that they jumped the gun as they are reporting now the same thing as what they have been implying for two weeks!
Really strange seeing Strictly beat X-Factor last night, first time in years that has happened. I suspect X-Factor will be back in front tonight of course. Very strong night for BBC1, as they even managed to win the primetime shares despite the first half hour of Strictly not being included in those shares.
I think next Saturday Strictly will remain level and X-Factor will remain level or see a small fall. Bonfire night is actually on a Saturday this year, which is going to attract more people out than most years, this will tug on X-Factor's audience more than Strictly's.
I think next Saturday Strictly will remain level and X-Factor will remain level or see a small fall. Bonfire night is actually on a Saturday this year, which is going to attract more people out than most years, this will tug on X-Factor's audience more than Strictly's.
Here are all the official ratings for Strictly and X Factor when they have been shown on the same day, between 2004 and 2008. I have bolded the higher rating in each case.
In 2004, every single episode of Strictly beat the equivalent X Factor.
30 October 2004
Strictly (7.46m), X Factor (6.53m)
Strictly Results (8.23m), X Factor Results (7.26m)
6 November 2004
Strictly (7.33m), X Factor (6.89m)
Strictly Results (8.72m), X Factor Results (7.02m)
13 November 2004
Strictly (8.81m), X Factor (7.42m)
Strictly Results (MISSING from BARB site!), X Factor Results (6.88m)
20 November 2004
Strictly (8.71m), X Factor (7.91m)
Strictly Results (9.39m), X Factor Results (7.98m)
27 November 2004
Strictly (8.10m), X Factor (8.06m)
Strictly Results (8.82m), X Factor Results (8.01m)
4 December 2004
Strictly (8.53m), X Factor (7.79m)
Strictly Results (8.62m), X Factor Results (7.52m)
11 December 2004
Strictly Final (9.70m), X Factor Final (8.62m)
Strictly Final Results (11.60m), X Factor Final Results (9.96m)
In 2005, The X Factor had a lead in the earlier weeks until Strictly took over for a few weeks in November, and again for the Semi Final and Final. X Factor was usually ahead for the Results show. Overall, The X Factor had a slightly higher series average than Strictly.
22 October 2005
Strictly 7.15m, X Factor (8.47m)
Strictly 7.07m, X Factor Results (9.02m)
29 October 2005
Strictly 7.83m, X Factor (8.60m)
Strictly 7.03m, X Factor Results (9.52m)
5 November 2005
Strictly 7.23m, X Factor (7.76m)
Strictly 6.98m, X Factor Results (7.51m)
12 November 2005
Strictly (9.45m), X Factor (9.09m)
Strictly Results (8.02m – now missing from BARB site for some reason), X Factor Results (8.99m)
19 November 2005
Strictly (9.10m), X Factor (8.95m)
Strictly Results (7.87m), X Factor Results (8.76m)
26 November 2005
Strictly (9.44m), X Factor (8.45m)
Strictly Results (7.53m), X Factor Results (9.13m)
3 December 2005
Strictly (9.08m), X Factor (10.00m)
Strictly Results (7.68m), X Factor Results (8.95m)
10 December 2005
Strictly (9.61m), X Factor (7.80m)
Strictly Results (9.14m), X Factor Results (8.48m)
17 December 2005
Strictly Final (10.76m), X Factor Final (9.65m)
Strictly Final Results (10.55m), X Factor Final Results (9.90m)
In 2006, The X Factor tended to be in front for the first few weeks, with Strictly taking a lead in November, before X Factor retook the lead. Overall, honours even – with 11 wins each, but Strictly had a much higher series average.
7 October 2006
Strictly (9.23m), X Factor (6.77m)
Strictly Results (7.62m), X Factor Results (8.95m)
14 October 2006
Strictly (6.71m), X Factor (7.52m)
Strictly Results (6.78m), X Factor Results (7.38m)
21 October 2006
Strictly (7.18m), X Factor (7.54m)
Strictly Results (7.85m), X Factor Results (7.70m)
28 October 2006
Strictly (7.73m), X Factor (7.10m)
Strictly Results (7.91m), X Factor Results (7.52m)
4 November 2006
Strictly (8.48m), X Factor (7.30m)
Strictly Results (7.94m), X Factor Results (7.91m)
11 November 2006
Strictly (9.30m), X Factor (9.83m)
Strictly Results (8.68m – now missing from BARB site for some reason!), X Factor Results (8.24m)
18 November 2006
Strictly (9.66m), X Factor (9.22m)
Strictly Results (7.73m), X Factor Results (8.80m)
25 November 2006
Strictly (9.20m), X Factor (8.46m)
Strictly Results (7.44m), X Factor Results (8.69m)
3 December 2006
Strictly (8.85m), X Factor (9.31m)
Strictly Results (7.92m), X Factor Results (8.24m)
10 December 2006
Strictly 9.24m, X Factor (8.39m)
Strictly 10.33m, X Factor Results (8.25m)
17 December 2006
Strictly (Semi Final) 9.45m, X Factor Final (10.52m)
Strictly (Semi Final Results) 7.42m, X Factor Final Results (10.78m)
In 2007, Strictly moved its Results show to a Sunday. However, on the Saturday shows, after the first three weeks of X Factor victories, Strictly beat the two X Factor shows every week. Only when we got to the X Factor Final, on the same night as the Strictly Semi Final, did X Factor manage to pull ahead again. Overall, Strictly once again had a higher series average than The X Factor.
29 September 2007
Strictly (4.87m), X Factor (6.42)
6 October 2007
Strictly (7.68m), X Factor (8.08m)
7 October 2007
Strictly (7.03m), X Factor (7.92m)
13-14 October 2007
Strictly (8.51m and 8.15m), No X Factor shown!
20 October 2007
Strictly (7.69m), X Factor (6.60m and 7.07m)
27 October 2007
Strictly (8.28m), X Factor (7.51m and 7.51m)
3 November 2007
Strictly (9.25m), X Factor (8.47m and 6.99m)
10 November 2007
Strictly (9.65m), X Factor (9.18m and 8.59m)
17 November 2007
Strictly (9.41m), X Factor (9.15m and 8.05m)
24 November 2007
Strictly (9.70m), X Factor (9.30m and 8.88m)
1 December 2007
Strictly (10.22m), X Factor (9.56m and 7.82m)
8 December 2007
Strictly (10.45m), X Factor (9.83m and 9.62m)
15 December 2007
Strictly Semi Final (10.97m), X Factor Final (11.78m and 12.23m)
In 2008, roles were reversed, with X Factor beating Strictly nearly every week. Strictly still had Results on Sundays (except on 15 November and 13/20 December), X Factor was mainly still a Saturday-only show, except for bootcamp.
As you can see below, 27 September 2008 is the last time Strictly beat X Factor on final figures.
13 September 2008
Strictly (6.22m), X Factor (9.96m)
20 September 2008
Strictly (8.48m), X Factor (10.01m)
27 September 2008
Strictly (9.02m), X Factor (8.94m)
28 September 2008
Strictly (8.44m), X Factor (9.07m)
4 October 2008
Strictly (9.66m), X Factor (10.84m)
5 October 2008
Strictly (8.60m), X Factor (10.11m)
11 October 2008
Strictly (7.79m), X Factor (11.09m and 9.05m)
18 October 2008
Strictly (8.99m), X Factor (10.21m and 9.13m)
25 October 2008
Strictly (9.75m), X Factor (10.37m and 8.89m)
1 November 2008
Strictly (9.79m), X Factor (11.65m and 9.72m)
8 November 2008
Strictly (10.04m), X Factor (10.72m and 9.46m)
15 November 2008
Strictly (10.03m), X Factor (11.28m)
Strictly Results (9.76m), X Factor Results (10.62m)
22 November 2008
Strictly (10.75m), X Factor (11.77m and 9.98m)
29 November 2008
Strictly (10.51m), X Factor (12.67m and 11.41m)
6 December 2008
Strictly (9.75m), X Factor (10.30m and 10.60m)
13 December 2008
Strictly Semi Final (10.37m), X Factor (13.77m)
Strictly Semi Final Results (9.58m), X Factor Results (14.06m)
I won't post all the figures since then, but the gap widened between the two in 2009, with The X Factor getting a much higher rating every week. Both series had their best ever year in 2010, but The X Factor was still well ahead of Strictly for every single week.
In 2004, every single episode of Strictly beat the equivalent X Factor.
30 October 2004
Strictly (7.46m), X Factor (6.53m)
Strictly Results (8.23m), X Factor Results (7.26m)
6 November 2004
Strictly (7.33m), X Factor (6.89m)
Strictly Results (8.72m), X Factor Results (7.02m)
13 November 2004
Strictly (8.81m), X Factor (7.42m)
Strictly Results (MISSING from BARB site!), X Factor Results (6.88m)
20 November 2004
Strictly (8.71m), X Factor (7.91m)
Strictly Results (9.39m), X Factor Results (7.98m)
27 November 2004
Strictly (8.10m), X Factor (8.06m)
Strictly Results (8.82m), X Factor Results (8.01m)
4 December 2004
Strictly (8.53m), X Factor (7.79m)
Strictly Results (8.62m), X Factor Results (7.52m)
11 December 2004
Strictly Final (9.70m), X Factor Final (8.62m)
Strictly Final Results (11.60m), X Factor Final Results (9.96m)
In 2005, The X Factor had a lead in the earlier weeks until Strictly took over for a few weeks in November, and again for the Semi Final and Final. X Factor was usually ahead for the Results show. Overall, The X Factor had a slightly higher series average than Strictly.
22 October 2005
Strictly 7.15m, X Factor (8.47m)
Strictly 7.07m, X Factor Results (9.02m)
29 October 2005
Strictly 7.83m, X Factor (8.60m)
Strictly 7.03m, X Factor Results (9.52m)
5 November 2005
Strictly 7.23m, X Factor (7.76m)
Strictly 6.98m, X Factor Results (7.51m)
12 November 2005
Strictly (9.45m), X Factor (9.09m)
Strictly Results (8.02m – now missing from BARB site for some reason), X Factor Results (8.99m)
19 November 2005
Strictly (9.10m), X Factor (8.95m)
Strictly Results (7.87m), X Factor Results (8.76m)
26 November 2005
Strictly (9.44m), X Factor (8.45m)
Strictly Results (7.53m), X Factor Results (9.13m)
3 December 2005
Strictly (9.08m), X Factor (10.00m)
Strictly Results (7.68m), X Factor Results (8.95m)
10 December 2005
Strictly (9.61m), X Factor (7.80m)
Strictly Results (9.14m), X Factor Results (8.48m)
17 December 2005
Strictly Final (10.76m), X Factor Final (9.65m)
Strictly Final Results (10.55m), X Factor Final Results (9.90m)
In 2006, The X Factor tended to be in front for the first few weeks, with Strictly taking a lead in November, before X Factor retook the lead. Overall, honours even – with 11 wins each, but Strictly had a much higher series average.
7 October 2006
Strictly (9.23m), X Factor (6.77m)
Strictly Results (7.62m), X Factor Results (8.95m)
14 October 2006
Strictly (6.71m), X Factor (7.52m)
Strictly Results (6.78m), X Factor Results (7.38m)
21 October 2006
Strictly (7.18m), X Factor (7.54m)
Strictly Results (7.85m), X Factor Results (7.70m)
28 October 2006
Strictly (7.73m), X Factor (7.10m)
Strictly Results (7.91m), X Factor Results (7.52m)
4 November 2006
Strictly (8.48m), X Factor (7.30m)
Strictly Results (7.94m), X Factor Results (7.91m)
11 November 2006
Strictly (9.30m), X Factor (9.83m)
Strictly Results (8.68m – now missing from BARB site for some reason!), X Factor Results (8.24m)
18 November 2006
Strictly (9.66m), X Factor (9.22m)
Strictly Results (7.73m), X Factor Results (8.80m)
25 November 2006
Strictly (9.20m), X Factor (8.46m)
Strictly Results (7.44m), X Factor Results (8.69m)
3 December 2006
Strictly (8.85m), X Factor (9.31m)
Strictly Results (7.92m), X Factor Results (8.24m)
10 December 2006
Strictly 9.24m, X Factor (8.39m)
Strictly 10.33m, X Factor Results (8.25m)
17 December 2006
Strictly (Semi Final) 9.45m, X Factor Final (10.52m)
Strictly (Semi Final Results) 7.42m, X Factor Final Results (10.78m)
In 2007, Strictly moved its Results show to a Sunday. However, on the Saturday shows, after the first three weeks of X Factor victories, Strictly beat the two X Factor shows every week. Only when we got to the X Factor Final, on the same night as the Strictly Semi Final, did X Factor manage to pull ahead again. Overall, Strictly once again had a higher series average than The X Factor.
29 September 2007
Strictly (4.87m), X Factor (6.42)
6 October 2007
Strictly (7.68m), X Factor (8.08m)
7 October 2007
Strictly (7.03m), X Factor (7.92m)
13-14 October 2007
Strictly (8.51m and 8.15m), No X Factor shown!
20 October 2007
Strictly (7.69m), X Factor (6.60m and 7.07m)
27 October 2007
Strictly (8.28m), X Factor (7.51m and 7.51m)
3 November 2007
Strictly (9.25m), X Factor (8.47m and 6.99m)
10 November 2007
Strictly (9.65m), X Factor (9.18m and 8.59m)
17 November 2007
Strictly (9.41m), X Factor (9.15m and 8.05m)
24 November 2007
Strictly (9.70m), X Factor (9.30m and 8.88m)
1 December 2007
Strictly (10.22m), X Factor (9.56m and 7.82m)
8 December 2007
Strictly (10.45m), X Factor (9.83m and 9.62m)
15 December 2007
Strictly Semi Final (10.97m), X Factor Final (11.78m and 12.23m)
In 2008, roles were reversed, with X Factor beating Strictly nearly every week. Strictly still had Results on Sundays (except on 15 November and 13/20 December), X Factor was mainly still a Saturday-only show, except for bootcamp.
As you can see below, 27 September 2008 is the last time Strictly beat X Factor on final figures.
13 September 2008
Strictly (6.22m), X Factor (9.96m)
20 September 2008
Strictly (8.48m), X Factor (10.01m)
27 September 2008
Strictly (9.02m), X Factor (8.94m)
28 September 2008
Strictly (8.44m), X Factor (9.07m)
4 October 2008
Strictly (9.66m), X Factor (10.84m)
5 October 2008
Strictly (8.60m), X Factor (10.11m)
11 October 2008
Strictly (7.79m), X Factor (11.09m and 9.05m)
18 October 2008
Strictly (8.99m), X Factor (10.21m and 9.13m)
25 October 2008
Strictly (9.75m), X Factor (10.37m and 8.89m)
1 November 2008
Strictly (9.79m), X Factor (11.65m and 9.72m)
8 November 2008
Strictly (10.04m), X Factor (10.72m and 9.46m)
15 November 2008
Strictly (10.03m), X Factor (11.28m)
Strictly Results (9.76m), X Factor Results (10.62m)
22 November 2008
Strictly (10.75m), X Factor (11.77m and 9.98m)
29 November 2008
Strictly (10.51m), X Factor (12.67m and 11.41m)
6 December 2008
Strictly (9.75m), X Factor (10.30m and 10.60m)
13 December 2008
Strictly Semi Final (10.37m), X Factor (13.77m)
Strictly Semi Final Results (9.58m), X Factor Results (14.06m)
I won't post all the figures since then, but the gap widened between the two in 2009, with The X Factor getting a much higher rating every week. Both series had their best ever year in 2010, but The X Factor was still well ahead of Strictly for every single week.
Fascinating to watch what is happening to The X Factor, I wonder did they get a bit complacent when it looked at the start of this series after the first couple of audition shows as though the ratings would be pretty stable without Cowell?
Regardless of the judges not really clicking on the live shows, the talent is just not there this year. They pulled out all the classic XF tricks last night in terms of manufactured 'drama' but when viewers aren't that bothered about the judges or the acts then they won't be bothered about 'controversy' around them.
They may well turn it around next year but at the moment the show feels like its entered a similar downward cycle to Big Brother. The format has become stale.
Some people seem to think the solution is as easy as just getting Simon and Cheryl back but he will surely have to be 100% committed to the second series of the American show next year and I am not sure why Cheryl would want to return to a 'sinking ship' (admittedly that might be slightly overdramatic!)
When was the last time the Saturday result show rated below 10m?
Regardless of the judges not really clicking on the live shows, the talent is just not there this year. They pulled out all the classic XF tricks last night in terms of manufactured 'drama' but when viewers aren't that bothered about the judges or the acts then they won't be bothered about 'controversy' around them.
They may well turn it around next year but at the moment the show feels like its entered a similar downward cycle to Big Brother. The format has become stale.
Some people seem to think the solution is as easy as just getting Simon and Cheryl back but he will surely have to be 100% committed to the second series of the American show next year and I am not sure why Cheryl would want to return to a 'sinking ship' (admittedly that might be slightly overdramatic!)
When was the last time the Saturday result show rated below 10m?
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'm not sure I'd agree with the idea that The X Factor team have taken the ratings for granted. They have worked constantly to keep the show in the press with all manner of manufactured controversy and conflict. I think it might be fairer to say that they've taken for granted that, that tactic will always work. In previous years for example accusations of bullying amongst the contestants and press stories of judges falling out and no longer talking to one another would have driven ratings up but this year it just hasn't worked. Now either that's because the audience has just grown tired of this particular circus or they haven't connected with this batch of contestants and these judges (or a combination of the two).”
“I'm not sure I'd agree with the idea that The X Factor team have taken the ratings for granted. They have worked constantly to keep the show in the press with all manner of manufactured controversy and conflict. I think it might be fairer to say that they've taken for granted that, that tactic will always work. In previous years for example accusations of bullying amongst the contestants and press stories of judges falling out and no longer talking to one another would have driven ratings up but this year it just hasn't worked. Now either that's because the audience has just grown tired of this particular circus or they haven't connected with this batch of contestants and these judges (or a combination of the two).”
Maybe it is more the viewers rather than the ratings they've taken for granted, going the publicity stunt route far too often rather than concentrating on the core qualities of the show.
Format wise I've always said the theme weeks don't help too and the idea that acts need to be versatile just doesn't reflect reality. The live shows needs to allow contestants to play to their strengths, not play to a theme - though still have the opportunities for contestants to show a different side every now and again to prevent it getting too repetitively.
Quote:
“To be honest with you I think the producers shot themselves in the foot with the 'new generation' hype because they haven't really delivered on that. The entire series has just played out like a greatest hits compilation to the point where you can pick any given contestant this year and say that they're this years [insert previous contestant here]. When you add to that mix Gary Barlow doing an awful Simon Cowell impression and a judging panel completely devoid of chemistry and personality things get even worse. At this point its fairly obvious that they'll have to rethink the show for next year and it'll be interesting to see what they opt to change and how they decide to refocus.”
“To be honest with you I think the producers shot themselves in the foot with the 'new generation' hype because they haven't really delivered on that. The entire series has just played out like a greatest hits compilation to the point where you can pick any given contestant this year and say that they're this years [insert previous contestant here]. When you add to that mix Gary Barlow doing an awful Simon Cowell impression and a judging panel completely devoid of chemistry and personality things get even worse. At this point its fairly obvious that they'll have to rethink the show for next year and it'll be interesting to see what they opt to change and how they decide to refocus.”
I'd disagree re: Gary Barlow - I think he's settled in quite well..
Quote:
“I don't think we've seen anything this year to suggest that they should mess with the format for the results show. In truth I think the sing-off and judges decision format works well and its always good to create a 'shock' exit or two. Adding a fifth judge for the live shows would be a poor idea as well I think and cause chaos with the run time I suspect. ”
“I don't think we've seen anything this year to suggest that they should mess with the format for the results show. In truth I think the sing-off and judges decision format works well and its always good to create a 'shock' exit or two. Adding a fifth judge for the live shows would be a poor idea as well I think and cause chaos with the run time I suspect. ”
Absolutely agree - and if anything going down to three judges would be preferable to going up to five. If they did go down to three it would allow for the occasional guest judge too.
Quote:
“However I'd agree that a live reveal of the finalists is something they should look at. I've never quite understood why they haven't done that already. The big priority though has got to be 'fixing' the boot camp and judges houses stage because they've never found a format that really works for that.”
“However I'd agree that a live reveal of the finalists is something they should look at. I've never quite understood why they haven't done that already. The big priority though has got to be 'fixing' the boot camp and judges houses stage because they've never found a format that really works for that.”
Absolutely agree - and they've really got nothing to lose there. The audition stage generally works fine - they just need to sway the balance more in favour of the positive in the edit, and certainly don't end the auditions with an obvious no. Then I think I'd go for split bootcamps (tailored to the category) plus a live decision show for the final 6 in each category.
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“And BBC1 beat ITV1 in shares?!”
“And BBC1 beat ITV1 in shares?!”
Yeh, I spotted that too. To have lost Saturday night on a October's evening to BBC 1 with their No 1 ratings juggernaut must be pretty embarrassing.
X Factor since 2008 for the live shows so far:
Source: Digital Spy
If tonight goes under 11 million including +1 then the series could well be in trouble.
Code:
2008 2009 2010 2011 S1 10.36 11.31 12.23 10.95 S1R 8.02 13.00 13.14 11.87 S2 9.28 10.86 11.46 10.25 S2R 7.87 13.17 13.42 11.63 S3 9.69 11.58 12.18 10.11 S3R 7.70 13.38 13.65 11.28 S4 10.94 10.34 12.22 9.90
If tonight goes under 11 million including +1 then the series could well be in trouble.
I Wonder what day ITV Will show the FA Cup first round match. as that is the same weekend England Play
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