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Old 30-10-2011, 14:51
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Yeah but Sam every week you expect it to be up - are you really saying that its all fine now?
Fact is Strictly didn't get 9.9 anyway - it got 10.3 and a massive peak!

It also started off very very well - its dropped over the weeks - thats bad.
Its not even like DW where once things are in perspective its doing about the same as usual.

Its down on 2009 as you point out - hardly 'yeha!'
I'm not saying it's fine what i am trying to point out is that some people think it's going to be down next week to as it's bonfire night but looking at the 2009 week 3 had 11.58m but week 4 was about 1m down. But then the next week was up again.

What i am trying to say is i read i comment saying next week would be painfully low and lose more veiwers but i think it will be up
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Old 30-10-2011, 14:57
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I'm not saying it's fine what i am trying to point out is that some people think it's going to be down next week to as it's bonfire night but looking at the 2009 week 3 had 11.58m but week 4 was about 1m down. But then the next week was up again.

What i am trying to say is i read i comment saying next week would be painfully low and lose more veiwers but i think it will be up
But haven't you been saying you think it'll be up for a few weeks now? It was supposed to go up when the clashes with Strictly got smaller after all...
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:01
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I'm not saying it's fine what i am trying to point out is that some people think it's going to be down next week to as it's bonfire night but looking at the 2009 week 3 had 11.58m but week 4 was about 1m down. But then the next week was up again.

What i am trying to say is i read i comment saying next week would be painfully low and lose more veiwers but i think it will be up
In 2009 Halloween was on the actual Saturday, which coincided with significant drop in ratings (by far the lowest live show overnight rating of that series), the following night it was back up to a 13.9m overnight average for the results, which I'm pretty sure ain't gonna happen tonight. 2009 Bonfire night was a Thursday. This year Halloween is Monday and Bonfire night is on a Saturday. I'm pretty sure X-Factor will not rise next week and could even see another drop; Strictly I expect to remain level, or see a small drop but not as much as X-Factor.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:03
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But haven't you been saying you think it'll be up for a few weeks now? It was supposed to go up when the clashes with Strictly got smaller after all...
True. But next week their is no clash at all so there is no excuse for it to be down again even if it is bonfire night.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:07
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In 2009 Halloween was on the actual Saturday, which coincided with significant drop in ratings (by far the lowest live show overnight rating of that series), the following night it was back up to a 13.9m overnight average for the results, which I'm pretty sure ain't gonna happen tonight. 2009 Bonfire night was a Friday. This year Halloween is Monday and Bonfire night is on a Saturday. I'm pretty sure X-Factor will not rise next week and could even see another drop; Strictly I expect to remain level, or see a small drop but not as much as X-Factor.
Tonight does have better guest singers that might get more people to tune in though?
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:10
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In 2009 Halloween was on the actual Saturday, which coincided with significant drop in ratings (by far the lowest live show overnight rating of that series), the following night it was back up to a 13.9m overnight average for the results, which I'm pretty sure ain't gonna happen tonight. 2009 Bonfire night was a Friday. This year Halloween is Monday and Bonfire night is on a Saturday. I'm pretty sure X-Factor will not rise next week and could even see another drop; Strictly I expect to remain level, or see a small drop but not as much as X-Factor.
There was a drop for The X Factor last year but it was still ahead of Strictly wasn't it? Had a look at last year's overnights and The X Factor had 12.2m while Strictly had around 10.4m. So both down. Strictly slightly and The X Factor hugely. The X Factor was doing well this year before the live shows.Must be down to the talent.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:15
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Tonight does have better guest singers that might get more people to tune in though?
Last week for the Sunday show it had 11.12m (39.8%) with 163k (0.6%) on +1, which I think it could match tonight. I think the return of The Cube at 7pm should prevent X-Factor dropping compared to last week, but that will still make it down 20% year-on-year.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:17
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Also last year week 4 got 11.55m and the week after got 12.2m history suggests X Factor should be higher next week even if it is bonfire night.

If it is down it has a huge problem IMO
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:18
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(BTW, ronant - when HIGNFY was on BBC2 it aired at 10pm so I don't think would have had a Gardener's World lead in. Unless that aired 9-10pm and I've forgotten that)
HIGNFY was usually at 10pm but for its last two years on BBC2, in 1999 and 2000, it was on at 9pm. And it would have had some awful lead-ins at 10pm as well, some Friday night comedies in the nineties were right stinkers (Sunnyside Farm? All Rise For Julian Clary? The Fall Guy?).

I do remember when I attended a seminar at the Edinburgh TV Festival in 1997, when Mark Thompson was being interviewed as controller of BBC2, he said that Gardeners World into Shooting Stars at 9pm on Fridays seemed a demented combination, but in fact quite a lot of the audience watched both.

He didn't exactly pull in the viewers for his recent Sky show. Perhaps, they should be looking at James Corden, who's been a success on Sky?
That's because Walliams' Sky show was crap, it was just a dull version of 8 Out Of 10 Cats, which Walliams is always on anyway.

Was it ever confirmed that the BBC's highlights next year will be "as live" rather than an just an hour or 75 mins?
Yes, although I think the full reruns are going to be on the red button with an edited version on BBC1.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:18
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There was a drop for The X Factor last year but it was still ahead of Strictly wasn't it? Had a look at last year's overnights and The X Factor had 12.2m while Strictly had around 10.4m. So both down. Strictly slightly and The X Factor hugely. The X Factor was doing well this year before the live shows.Must be down to the talent.
There was no drop in the full slot overnights for Halloween X-Factor (Sunday) or Bonfire night X-Factor (Friday) last year.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:19
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Last week for the Sunday show it had 11.12m (39.8%) with 163k (0.6%) on +1, which I think it could match tonight. I think the return of The Cube at 7pm should prevent X-Factor dropping compared to last week, but that will still make it down 20% year-on-year.
The cube didn't do very well on it's last run did it.

I think some of the episodes were in the low 3m
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:21
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The cube didn't do very well on it's last run did it.

I think some of the episodes were in the low 3m
That's going to be up a lot on Holding Out for A Hero lead-in though!
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:24
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True. But next week their is no clash at all so there is no excuse for it to be down again even if it is bonfire night.
But the clash is less than it was in previous weeks and the show is STILL down week on week.
The clash only causes a very small drop in the average when looked at across the night.

Unfortunately Doctor Who isn't on so we don't have the entire night broke down per second just to batter trolls with

Anyway - Strictly is managing very well WITH the clash - it'll probs be even higher if X Factor moves away - and X Factor overall unaffected.


I have to say going into the live shows I did predict 'not much growth' - as frankly there was no sign of any real excitement. The fall week on week is actually rather significant. It could hit low 9's or even...8's!
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:35
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How? it got around 3.5m with a 30 minute headstart on SCD and mostly against a 3 day old repeat of The impressions show, if it was head to head with Strictly it would have been sub 3m.

The National lottery -Secret Fortune got around the same against the X factor a few weeks ago and I didn't see plaudits for that. That was even more impressive as it had a full on clash with the X factor.
The differences are that Secret Fortune aired at 8pm not 6pm, mostly had a 5.5-6m lead in from Doctor Who and had already had one primetime run when it got 5-6m to help it build a core primetime audience. The Chase has a core audience of 2m at 5pm so for it to get nearly 4m only an hour later with a rubbish lead in and partly against SCD on its first ever 'primetime' (if we can call 6pm primetime) outing is pretty good for them.

The cube didn't do very well on it's last run did it.

I think some of the episodes were in the low 3m
The Cube averaged c4m in the Sunday 7pm slot in the Spring, but that was in much better weather and without any other entertainment shows around it. It was getting 5-6m last year on Sundays at 7pm and it should get c5m tonight.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:41
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Anybody got any ratings for last night's repeat of Still-Not-Making-An-Impression Show?
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:43
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I dont think anyone would have predicted that three of the four judges on XF would have left after the astonishing performances of last years shows. Indeed many posters on DS blankly refused to contemplate it. But the chemistry of the four and acts like Wagner just compelled people to tune in. That mix has not been repeated and people are not getting what they expect. Added to that is the fact that the end result ie who wins hardly matters at all and the current recipe is seen to shed viewers rather than bring them in.
Obviously 9.9 million is a huge audience but it does not necessarily mean all of them are liking what they see-and surely its impossible for the show to return with the current judges set up.

Great night for SCD which isnt doing much different to last year, but the schedulers have attacked XF here and there and weakened it further-personally I didnt think last nights had the atmosphere of last years Halloween special or indeed the last few weeks this year. Russell was subdued and some of the linking video snippets were quite poor. However the staging is excellent and there is a winning way with it and everyone connected with the show deserves high praise for the way its turned around from the comparatively desperate times of 2009. And with the Wembley Arena week and Blackpool final to come its looking rosy.
The words in bold are interesting because looking at the audience appreciation scores for The X Factor they are down on what they used to be. They used to be in the 80s and are now in the 70s. Suggesting people aren't enjoying the show as much as they used to.

And I've said before Strictly's staging of the show is better than The X Factor. The fact that a programme from Studio 1 at BBC TV Centre looks better than something from Fountain Studios says it all.

Now if they get the Wembley and Blackpool shows to look amazing too it could be the best run of Strictly ever.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:54
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I suppose it's too much to hope that both Strictly and X Factor begin to fade and die away. Surely there should be something better on the 2 main channels than desperate unknown singer wannabees and desperate celebrity(?) dancer wannabees.

But I can dream.
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Old 30-10-2011, 15:57
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Although with Wembley bigger doesn't always mean better when it comes to a show coming across well on screen - so when both shows move into Wembley for the weekend they need to ensure the action doesn't get lost in the space.

And apologies if this has been mentioned but I see two days after the I'm a Celeb launch it's bumped out of the schedules to make way for an England friendly.
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:02
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Also, I don't think the BBC will move SCD out of the way this year, like when they moved SCD to 7-7.30pm on the Sunday of TXF last year. They're being a bit more aggressive with scheduling this year so I can't see them backing down. So I reckon TXF Final will end airing between 8-10pm for its final which won't help matters, it's not as good as 7.30-9.30pm IMO.
And I wonder if the BBC will roll over with an Antiques Roadshow repeat at 8pm, or keep the new series running instead.
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:08
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It's a shame GeorgeS doesn't post on Sundays anymore.

I miss the banter.

Maybe he's found God. (Not Cowell, the one in the Bible)
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:18
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I think The X Factor will be down again next Saturday, going into the mid 9ms. That has to be it though; it can afford to be down once more but it'll need to recover on 12th November; or at the very least stabilise. I fully expected it to dip again last night, though the loss was minimal (only 180,000 on last week) so for anyone clutching at straws...there it is.

ITV has to forget about beating Strictly Come Dancing this year and focus on The X Factor still being the strongest commercial programme (specifically demo wise) currently on the box; with a lack of alternative the advertisers will still be interested in buying slots...just for a lesser price.

Strictly Come Dancing was also down on last year, though by a lesser amount. If Russell has to pull out with injury - he's having a minor operation today - I think the show may have a slight issue as it seems to be lacking some sparkle compared to last year; very much like The X Factor for many, though I'm prefering it (my opinion does differ bizarrely compared to everyone else's!)

I agree with those saying BBC One's schedule is much better that ITV1's in it's entireity; Merlin and Casualty offer a solid base in comparison to a weakened TV Burp (possibly due to a lower lead out?) and Piers Morgan - though Morgan did reasonably well. Take Strictly out of the schedule and BBC One would still have a reasonable night. Take The X Factor out of the schedule, despite it's current problems, and ITV1's night would fall flat.
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:20
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And apologies if this has been mentioned but I see two days after the I'm a Celeb launch it's bumped out of the schedules to make way for an England friendly.
I wonder, would it be a good idea to move the programme over to ITV2 on a night like that, with major promotion?
It would surely get very good ratings - although STV & UTV might be unhappy with the temporary move.
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:24
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It's a shame GeorgeS doesn't post on Sundays anymore.

I miss the banter.

Maybe he's found God. (Not Cowell, the one in the Bible)
He's having to work overtime at the ITV press centre...apparently, some sort of mini-crisis???
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:25
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I wonder, would it be a good idea to move the programme over to ITV2 on a night like that, with major promotion?
Not until DSO is complete. Even then I doubt they would. It's not like BBC1 and 2.
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Old 30-10-2011, 16:28
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Strictly Come Dancing was also down on last year, though by a lesser amount. If Russell has to pull out with injury - he's having a minor operation today - I think the show may have a slight issue as it seems to be lacking some sparkle compared to last year
I dunno, I don't think Russell, and indeed Nancy, are dominating procedings in the same way as Widdicome did last year. I was a bit underwhelmed by the casting this year when it was announced but I think it's been quite good, nobody seems to be running away with it and it's been tough to predict the results, and everyone seems very likeable which isn't always the case.

I wonder, would it be a good idea to move the programme over to ITV2 on a night like that, with major promotion?
It would surely get very good ratings - although STV & UTV might be unhappy with the temporary move.
If you were to do that, though, you may as well do it on ITV1 at 10.30. It's a bit like when they used to premiere Corrie on ITV2 on Champions League nights a decade ago when they'd show it on ITV2 at 7.30 and ITV1 at 9.45.

One other problem then though is that it would hit ITV1's ratings.
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