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Old 13-10-2011, 16:47
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Many people say a pie is a filling encased in pastry.

But what about a plate pie with only a pastry top?


and how did cottage/shepherds/fish pie with a mash top become a pie?
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Old 13-10-2011, 17:45
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I hate it when a pie is just in a dish with pastry on top. To me that's not a proper pie.
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Old 13-10-2011, 17:46
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I hate it when a pie is just in a dish with pastry on top. To me that's not a proper pie.
I agree, my mum sometimes does this and it makes such a mess when you put it on a plate, just a pile of meat with pastry on top.
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Old 13-10-2011, 18:01
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Some of the posh restaurants/gastropubs/chefs now put the stew/casserole in a pot and bake the pasty seperate and then angle it on top
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Old 13-10-2011, 18:18
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Crust and a filling are my personal requirements for pie, and that includes pizza and quiche. If a chef wants to top some stew with some already baked pastry, I'm not going to quibble as long as it tastes good.
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Old 13-10-2011, 18:26
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According to ancient legend, the pie crust was only used for a container to hold the filling like a takeaway tray and was not usually eaten because it wasn't made from edible materials. I dare say the meaning of pie refers to a filling that is encased or covered with another base or layer which acts as a shell.

Having said that some people consider pizza to be a type of pie.
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Old 13-10-2011, 18:43
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I hate it when a pie is just in a dish with pastry on top. To me that's not a proper pie.
I agree with you - I have been disappointed a few times when ordering a pie in a restaurant and what comes out is steak in gravy in a large ramekin dish with a pasty crust on top. This is not a pie to me.

If they don't encompass the sauce completely in pastry then they need to give it the full title (i.e. plate pie) so that you know exactly what you are getting.
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Old 13-10-2011, 18:55
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When it's a jar?

I've never got on with pies. It has always seemed as if people's obsession with the pastry get in the way of bothering about what the filling tastes like.

Some try to outdo themselves by having the thickest, crustiest crust they can with piddly little filling so in the end you just end up with a mouthful of (usually) dry pastry with most bites.
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Old 13-10-2011, 20:27
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When it's a jar?

I've never got on with pies. It has always seemed as if people's obsession with the pastry get in the way of bothering about what the filling tastes like.
Same goes for pasties with the crimped edge.

My mate buys pizzas and just picks off and eats the topping
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Old 13-10-2011, 20:32
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When it's a jar?

I've never got on with pies. It has always seemed as if people's obsession with the pastry get in the way of bothering about what the filling tastes like.

Some try to outdo themselves by having the thickest, crustiest crust they can with piddly little filling so in the end you just end up with a mouthful of (usually) dry pastry with most bites.
My mum told me to always buy my pies from the butchers not the bakers as the butcher is trying to sell the meat but the baker is selling the pastry.
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Old 14-10-2011, 09:27
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My mum told me to always buy my pies from the butchers not the bakers as the butcher is trying to sell the meat but the baker is selling the pastry.
Your mum is very wise!
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Old 14-10-2011, 10:28
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I agree with you - I have been disappointed a few times when ordering a pie in a restaurant and what comes out is steak in gravy in a large ramekin dish with a pasty crust on top. This is not a pie to me.

If they don't encompass the sauce completely in pastry then they need to give it the full title (i.e. plate pie) so that you know exactly what you are getting.

If you're going to be super rigid about it though, wouldn't pastry on top and bottom need to be called a double crust pie?
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Old 14-10-2011, 13:25
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If you can hold it in your hands and eat it, then its a pie.
End of.
Anything else is a stew.
Only Americans refer to pizza as "pie" but they don't make proper pizza anyway. *sniffy motie*
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Old 14-10-2011, 13:35
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If you can hold it in your hands and eat it, then its a pie.
End of.
Anything else is a stew.
Only Americans refer to pizza as "pie" but they don't make proper pizza anyway. *sniffy motie*

You can hold pizza in your hands.
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Old 14-10-2011, 14:00
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You can hold pizza in your hands.
no one likes a smart alec.
I shall amend my definition as follows then for the pedants amongst you... ( yes I'm looking at you epicurian)
If it a filling completely encased in pastry that you can hold in your hands and eat, its a pie.
Pizza is more of a tart or open sandwich but it is NOT a pie.
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Old 14-10-2011, 14:05
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no one likes a smart alec.
I shall amend my definition as follows then for the pedants amongst you... ( yes I'm looking at you epicurian)
If it a filling completely encased in pastry that you can hold in your hands and eat, its a pie.
Pizza is more of a tart or open sandwich but it is NOT a pie.
Then what is shepherd's pie and cottage pie?
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Old 14-10-2011, 14:08
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Then what is shepherd's pie and cottage pie?
badly named of course.
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Old 14-10-2011, 14:21
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badly named of course.
Definitely. They don't contain shepherds or cottages.
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Old 14-10-2011, 14:21
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badly named of course.
Definitely. They don't contain shepherds or cottages.


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Old 14-10-2011, 14:23
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Definitely. They don't contain shepherds or cottages.
LOL...
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Old 14-10-2011, 14:40
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Dunno, ask John Prescott.
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Old 14-10-2011, 15:36
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Definitely. They don't contain shepherds or cottages.
I'm sure there has been a dodgy pie in the past that's contained a shepherd
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Old 15-10-2011, 22:47
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I'm sure there has been a dodgy pie in the past that's contained a shepherd
Shudders to think
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Old 15-10-2011, 22:53
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I'm sure there has been a dodgy pie in the past that's contained a shepherd
Has Jamie Oliver been cooking for Anthony Morley?
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Old 15-10-2011, 22:53
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It is when there is a pastry on top of a filling

So if it doesn't have something on the bottom is it called a Bottomless pie?

What is it called

just pastry on filling
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