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When is a pie not a pie?
Many people say a pie is a filling encased in pastry.
But what about a plate pie with only a pastry top? and how did cottage/shepherds/fish pie with a mash top become a pie? |
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I hate it when a pie is just in a dish with pastry on top. To me that's not a proper pie.
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I hate it when a pie is just in a dish with pastry on top. To me that's not a proper pie.
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Some of the posh restaurants/gastropubs/chefs now put the stew/casserole in a pot and bake the pasty seperate and then angle it on top
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Crust and a filling are my personal requirements for pie, and that includes pizza and quiche. If a chef wants to top some stew with some already baked pastry, I'm not going to quibble as long as it tastes good.
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According to ancient legend, the pie crust was only used for a container to hold the filling like a takeaway tray and was not usually eaten because it wasn't made from edible materials. I dare say the meaning of pie refers to a filling that is encased or covered with another base or layer which acts as a shell.
Having said that some people consider pizza to be a type of pie.
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I hate it when a pie is just in a dish with pastry on top. To me that's not a proper pie.
If they don't encompass the sauce completely in pastry then they need to give it the full title (i.e. plate pie) so that you know exactly what you are getting. |
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When it's a jar?
I've never got on with pies. It has always seemed as if people's obsession with the pastry get in the way of bothering about what the filling tastes like. Some try to outdo themselves by having the thickest, crustiest crust they can with piddly little filling so in the end you just end up with a mouthful of (usually) dry pastry with most bites. |
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When it's a jar?
I've never got on with pies. It has always seemed as if people's obsession with the pastry get in the way of bothering about what the filling tastes like. My mate buys pizzas and just picks off and eats the topping
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When it's a jar?
I've never got on with pies. It has always seemed as if people's obsession with the pastry get in the way of bothering about what the filling tastes like. Some try to outdo themselves by having the thickest, crustiest crust they can with piddly little filling so in the end you just end up with a mouthful of (usually) dry pastry with most bites. |
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My mum told me to always buy my pies from the butchers not the bakers as the butcher is trying to sell the meat but the baker is selling the pastry.
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I agree with you - I have been disappointed a few times when ordering a pie in a restaurant and what comes out is steak in gravy in a large ramekin dish with a pasty crust on top. This is not a pie to me.
If they don't encompass the sauce completely in pastry then they need to give it the full title (i.e. plate pie) so that you know exactly what you are getting. If you're going to be super rigid about it though, wouldn't pastry on top and bottom need to be called a double crust pie? |
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If you can hold it in your hands and eat it, then its a pie.
End of. Anything else is a stew. Only Americans refer to pizza as "pie" but they don't make proper pizza anyway. *sniffy motie* |
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If you can hold it in your hands and eat it, then its a pie.
End of. Anything else is a stew. Only Americans refer to pizza as "pie" but they don't make proper pizza anyway. *sniffy motie* You can hold pizza in your hands. |
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You can hold pizza in your hands.
no one likes a smart alec.I shall amend my definition as follows then for the pedants amongst you... ( yes I'm looking at you epicurian) If it a filling completely encased in pastry that you can hold in your hands and eat, its a pie. Pizza is more of a tart or open sandwich but it is NOT a pie. |
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no one likes a smart alec.I shall amend my definition as follows then for the pedants amongst you... ( yes I'm looking at you epicurian) If it a filling completely encased in pastry that you can hold in your hands and eat, its a pie. Pizza is more of a tart or open sandwich but it is NOT a pie. |
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Then what is shepherd's pie and cottage pie?
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badly named of course.
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badly named of course.
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Dunno, ask John Prescott.
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Definitely. They don't contain shepherds or cottages.
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I'm sure there has been a dodgy pie in the past that's contained a shepherd
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I'm sure there has been a dodgy pie in the past that's contained a shepherd
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It is when there is a pastry on top of a filling
![]() So if it doesn't have something on the bottom is it called a Bottomless pie? What is it called just pastry on filling |
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