Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich Event on 19th October

spendleb · 17-10-2011, 06:47

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I can't quite agree that the Nexus Prime will be prohibitively expensive.

Most reflect the build costs with the Super AMOLED Plus ones obviously costing the most.
Even LG's next gen Nova Black with its 40% brighter IPS screen phone is sensibly priced.

Here's hoping you are right, I am holding off getting a new phone until this is released, will be gutted if its only available on stupid money!

Nitroz · 17-10-2011, 07:54

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Originally Posted by Zack06

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/s...on-october-19/

They've confirmed the date is now the 19th for ICS and the Nexus Prime launch...excited

Lets hope Samsung don't do an Apple and upgrade an SGSII and overprice it.

Dai13371 · 17-10-2011, 15:42

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Originally Posted by pi r squared

Indeed!

In addition to this, Larry Page has stated that "you won't believe what we manage to get done in this release". Are we expecting some major, Siri/iCloud-esque features to drop with ICS? The only thing I've really seen mentioned is the supposed face-tracking software, which is fairly useless, even if (as some have suggested) it may lead to facial-recognition unlocking of the phone. Be interesting to see what comes on the 19th!

Sounds fairly useless, especially when some hungover girl wakes up in the bathroom with streaked mascara down their cheeks and lipstick smeared up one side of the face, dark circles under her eyes and the hair in a shocking mess try and unlock her phone to ring a taxi.

paulbrock · 17-10-2011, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Dai13371

Sounds fairly useless, especially when some hungover girl wakes up in the bathroom with streaked mascara down their cheeks and lipstick smeared up one side of the face, dark circles under her eyes and the hair in a shocking mess try and unlock her phone to ring a taxi.

brilliant. And I agree, I don't want that sort of technology on my phone. A passcode or swipe is more than sufficient thank you very much.

ACU · 17-10-2011, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Nitroz

Lets hope Samsung don't do an Apple and upgrade an SGSII and overprice it.

I cant see it being more expensive than the phone 4S prices. I would be very surprised if it was. Considering the spec it should be.

I am guessing (I have no inside info, or anything like that), 2 year contract, £30/£35pm, and the handset will be free. Purchasing the phone off line, circa £500 - £600.

For me a 2 year contract is a big no no. So I would either purchase outright, or get an 18month contract, and pay a bit upfront for the handset.

Zack06 · 17-10-2011, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Nitroz

Lets hope Samsung don't do an Apple and upgrade an SGSII and overprice it.

Well judging by the endless lawsuits that they are embroiled in I'm sure Samsung (and Google) will want to upstage Apple at every opportunity and show up their crappy device so I'm sure the new Nexus is going to be killer

I'm not sure about pricing, but given the spec it may be on the pricier side...

pi r squared · 17-10-2011, 20:32

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

brilliant. And I agree, I don't want that sort of technology on my phone. A passcode or swipe is more than sufficient thank you very much.

Yep. I really like the Android "pattern" unlock - yes, you can pretty much tell your password just by 'reading' the smudges on the screen, but it's such a cool way to unlock it I overlook that flaw! I've witnessed how long it takes for the automated security doors at airports to recognise my face - do I really want to be staring at my phone like a knobhead for ten seconds whilst it concerns itself with identifying me!?

paulbrock · 17-10-2011, 20:39

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of locking my phone anyway. If someone finds it, I want them to answer it or be able to send me/my family a text or email. Not like I have my bank details on there....I think

pi r squared · 17-10-2011, 21:09

Interesting approach. Note that if someone "finds" it, they can still answer it if you ring it (you don't need to unlock to answer). But yeah, whilst I have photos and texts and whatnot on there that I wouldn't particularly want a stranger going through, I don't think there's anything that could cause too much damage in the wrong hands. Still feel better locking it, though

paulbrock · 17-10-2011, 21:12

the likes of transport for london do checks to identify the owner of the phone, then stick it in a big storeroom like the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. I wouldn't hold my breath that I call them at the time they are sorting my individual phone.

Zack06 · 18-10-2011, 14:07

3AM tonight...most of the specs have been all but confirmed apart from the processor. I think 1.2GHz isn't enough to make the Nexus Prime a benchmark device...hopefully it's 1.5GHz....

I hope all the iOS users enjoy the preview of what's to come in iOS 7 tonight

alanwarwic · 18-10-2011, 18:25

I can just see it now.

NFC becomes big and 50c off each coffee paid for by NFC at Starbucks for the whole of 2012.

Zack06 · 19-10-2011, 04:25

The device looks awesome I'm definitely getting one...

wilt · 19-10-2011, 04:34

That panorama photo feature is immense.

And the detailed data usage stats and controls are going to be really useful. Should have been implemented long ago tbh.

I probably won't be upgrading from my nexus s though. 4.65" is a bit too big for my liking. Hopefully ics will run well on the s.

It does look very nice though, I wonder if the 'strategic partner' is another cpw type deal or if it will only be available from a network which seems to be the case in the USA and Japan.

skiller · 19-10-2011, 05:52

I don't own either an iOS or an Android so I was looking forward to this to see how much better Android was to the iPhone. (I have used iOS5 on a friend's device.)

What a let down. Very poor presentation.

john_hunter · 19-10-2011, 07:11

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Originally Posted by wilt

That panorama photo feature is immense.

And the detailed data usage stats and controls are going to be really useful. Should have been implemented long ago tbh.

I probably won't be upgrading from my nexus s though. 4.65" is a bit too big for my liking. Hopefully ics will run well on the s.

It does look very nice though, I wonder if the 'strategic partner' is another cpw type deal or if it will only be available from a network which seems to be the case in the USA and Japan.

Did it not say that it would be available on ANY phone that runs Gingerbread at present? I'm probaly wrong?

legends wear 7 · 19-10-2011, 07:28

My next phone right there

call100 · 19-10-2011, 09:56

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Originally Posted by wilt

That panorama photo feature is immense.

And the detailed data usage stats and controls are going to be really useful. Should have been implemented long ago tbh.

I probably won't be upgrading from my nexus s though. 4.65" is a bit too big for my liking. Hopefully ics will run well on the s.

It does look very nice though, I wonder if the 'strategic partner' is another cpw type deal or if it will only be available from a network which seems to be the case in the USA and Japan.

The Panorama feature on SGS2 is already an excellent feature. So, unless it does something hugely different, I already have that!!

edEx · 19-10-2011, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Zack06

3AM tonight...most of the specs have been all but confirmed apart from the processor. I think 1.2GHz isn't enough to make the Nexus Prime a benchmark device...hopefully it's 1.5GHz....

PCs went through this marketing thing a few years back. The clock speed of the processor isn't as important as the design. Think of it similar to how a 2.5 litre engine at 2000rpm will outperform a 1 litre engine at 4000rpm.

The Nexus looks like a decent phone at the moment, but not a knockout one. Very nice screen, mostly good other specs, but a bit disappointing on the camera front. Also, does it have a SD card slot?

alanwarwic · 19-10-2011, 10:13

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Originally Posted by skiller

..I have used iOS5 on a friend's device.
..What a let down. Very poor presentation.

I've never stayed up to watch any movie trailer so was not doing anything here either.

Some people think they have found their holy grail. The rest of us just get on and use them.

Roush · 19-10-2011, 10:54

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Originally Posted by john_hunter

Did it not say that it would be available on ANY phone that runs Gingerbread at present? I'm probaly wrong?

No, nothing was said about whether or not Android 4.0 will be released on its own or as an upgrade option for existing handsets, which was unsurprising really, since it was a smartphone launch event, not an OS launch event.

Everything Goes · 19-10-2011, 11:02

Some info on 4.0 here:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/a...-now-official/

Here's some of the enhancements found in Ice Cream Sandwich: • Option to use virtual buttons in the UI, instead of taking up capacitive touch buttons
• Widgets are in a new tab, listed in a similar list to apps
• Folders are much easier to create, with a drag-and-drop style similar to iOS
• A customizable launcher
• New phone app with visual voicemail functionality that lets you speed up or slow down voicemail messages
• Pinch-to-zoom functionality in the calendar
• Gmail has offline search, a two-line preview, and new action bar at the bottom
• Swipe left or right to switch between Gmail conversations
• Integrated screenshot capture by holding power and volume down buttons
• Improved error correction on the keyboard
• Ability to access apps directly from lock screen (similar to HTC Sense 3.x)
• Improved copy and paste
• Better voice integration
• Face Unlock, a facial recognition service
• New tabbed web browser, allowing up to 16 tabs
• Browser now automatically syncs your Chrome bookmarks
•Modern "Roboto" font
• Data Usage section in settings lets you set warnings when you reach a certain amount of use and disabling data when you go over your limit
• Ability to kill off apps that are using data in the background
• Camera app: zero shutter lag, time lapse settings, zoom while recording
• Built-in photo editor
• New gallery layout, organized by location and person
• Refreshed people app with social network integration, status updates and hi-res images
• Android Beam, a NFC feature that lets you exchange websites, contact info, directions, YouTube, etc.
• Don't like some of those preloaded carrier apps? Disable 'em. Android Engineer Dan Morrill mentions that, among other new features, any app can be disabled, and while it will still take up space in ROM, it won't be snatching any of your precious resources or clock cycles again if you don't want it to.

paulbrock · 19-10-2011, 11:31

Underwhelmed. An improvement on the Galaxy s2, sure, but about as exciting as the 4s - not very. Also a great example of why techies shouldn't do presentations!

Zack06 · 19-10-2011, 11:37

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

Underwhelmed. An improvement on the Galaxy s2, sure, but about as exciting as the 4s - not very. Also a great example of why techies shouldn't do presentations!

The device is more about ICS which is a significant upgrade to Android. It blows the 4S away anyway, and the iPhone still doesn't have features like NFC and face recognition, and now the GN has a resolution that rivals the Retina display, except it's much bigger...

I don't really see how it's 'about as exciting' as the 4S, considering this phone just kicked off the ICS era and launched a new screen benchmark, where as the 4S was just last years tech with an up to date processor and a better camera...

Nexus S > Galaxy Nexus is a massive upgrade compared to iPhone 4 > iPhone 4S

paulbrock · 19-10-2011, 11:44

There was nothing there that i would place much value in. Yes, next to each other, prime beats s2. It's a comparable upgrade to going from 4 to 4s, so I won't be rushing to the shops. Ics is nice, but much of the new functionality is already available in 3rd party apps. The demo showed exactly why face recognition is a bad idea, and whilst beam is cool it can be replicated elsewhere. Of course, id prefer it to a 4s, that goes without saying, but it's only a step forward rather than a leap.

17-10-2011, 06:47	#26
spendleb Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,899	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic I can't quite agree that the Nexus Prime will be prohibitively expensive. Most reflect the build costs with the Super AMOLED Plus ones obviously costing the most. Even LG's next gen Nova Black with its 40% brighter IPS screen phone is sensibly priced. Here's hoping you are right, I am holding off getting a new phone until this is released, will be gutted if its only available on stupid money!

17-10-2011, 07:54	#27
Nitroz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire Posts: 8	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/s...on-october-19/ They've confirmed the date is now the 19th for ICS and the Nexus Prime launch...excited Lets hope Samsung don't do an Apple and upgrade an SGSII and overprice it.

17-10-2011, 15:42	#28
Dai13371 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ammanford, South Wales Posts: 7,911	Quote: Originally Posted by pi r squared Indeed! In addition to this, Larry Page has stated that "you won't believe what we manage to get done in this release". Are we expecting some major, Siri/iCloud-esque features to drop with ICS? The only thing I've really seen mentioned is the supposed face-tracking software, which is fairly useless, even if (as some have suggested) it may lead to facial-recognition unlocking of the phone. Be interesting to see what comes on the 19th! Sounds fairly useless, especially when some hungover girl wakes up in the bathroom with streaked mascara down their cheeks and lipstick smeared up one side of the face, dark circles under her eyes and the hair in a shocking mess try and unlock her phone to ring a taxi.

17-10-2011, 15:45	#29
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by Dai13371 Sounds fairly useless, especially when some hungover girl wakes up in the bathroom with streaked mascara down their cheeks and lipstick smeared up one side of the face, dark circles under her eyes and the hair in a shocking mess try and unlock her phone to ring a taxi. brilliant. And I agree, I don't want that sort of technology on my phone. A passcode or swipe is more than sufficient thank you very much.

17-10-2011, 17:08	#30
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by Nitroz Lets hope Samsung don't do an Apple and upgrade an SGSII and overprice it. I cant see it being more expensive than the phone 4S prices. I would be very surprised if it was. Considering the spec it should be. I am guessing (I have no inside info, or anything like that), 2 year contract, £30/£35pm, and the handset will be free. Purchasing the phone off line, circa £500 - £600. For me a 2 year contract is a big no no. So I would either purchase outright, or get an 18month contract, and pay a bit upfront for the handset.

17-10-2011, 18:02	#31
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Nitroz Lets hope Samsung don't do an Apple and upgrade an SGSII and overprice it. Well judging by the endless lawsuits that they are embroiled in I'm sure Samsung (and Google) will want to upstage Apple at every opportunity and show up their crappy device so I'm sure the new Nexus is going to be killer I'm not sure about pricing, but given the spec it may be on the pricier side...

17-10-2011, 20:32	#32
pi r squared Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,185	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock brilliant. And I agree, I don't want that sort of technology on my phone. A passcode or swipe is more than sufficient thank you very much. Yep. I really like the Android "pattern" unlock - yes, you can pretty much tell your password just by 'reading' the smudges on the screen, but it's such a cool way to unlock it I overlook that flaw! I've witnessed how long it takes for the automated security doors at airports to recognise my face - do I really want to be staring at my phone like a knobhead for ten seconds whilst it concerns itself with identifying me!?

17-10-2011, 20:39	#33
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of locking my phone anyway. If someone finds it, I want them to answer it or be able to send me/my family a text or email. Not like I have my bank details on there....I think

17-10-2011, 21:09	#34
pi r squared Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,185	Interesting approach. Note that if someone "finds" it, they can still answer it if you ring it (you don't need to unlock to answer). But yeah, whilst I have photos and texts and whatnot on there that I wouldn't particularly want a stranger going through, I don't think there's anything that could cause too much damage in the wrong hands. Still feel better locking it, though

17-10-2011, 21:12	#35
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	the likes of transport for london do checks to identify the owner of the phone, then stick it in a big storeroom like the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. I wouldn't hold my breath that I call them at the time they are sorting my individual phone.

18-10-2011, 14:07	#36
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	3AM tonight...most of the specs have been all but confirmed apart from the processor. I think 1.2GHz isn't enough to make the Nexus Prime a benchmark device...hopefully it's 1.5GHz.... I hope all the iOS users enjoy the preview of what's to come in iOS 7 tonight

18-10-2011, 18:25	#37
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I can just see it now. NFC becomes big and 50c off each coffee paid for by NFC at Starbucks for the whole of 2012.

19-10-2011, 04:25	#38
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	The device looks awesome I'm definitely getting one...

19-10-2011, 04:34	#39
wilt Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Potterspury Posts: 930	That panorama photo feature is immense. And the detailed data usage stats and controls are going to be really useful. Should have been implemented long ago tbh. I probably won't be upgrading from my nexus s though. 4.65" is a bit too big for my liking. Hopefully ics will run well on the s. It does look very nice though, I wonder if the 'strategic partner' is another cpw type deal or if it will only be available from a network which seems to be the case in the USA and Japan.

19-10-2011, 05:52	#40
skiller Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 945	I don't own either an iOS or an Android so I was looking forward to this to see how much better Android was to the iPhone. (I have used iOS5 on a friend's device.) What a let down. Very poor presentation.

19-10-2011, 07:11	#41
john_hunter Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 495	Quote: Originally Posted by wilt That panorama photo feature is immense. And the detailed data usage stats and controls are going to be really useful. Should have been implemented long ago tbh. I probably won't be upgrading from my nexus s though. 4.65" is a bit too big for my liking. Hopefully ics will run well on the s. It does look very nice though, I wonder if the 'strategic partner' is another cpw type deal or if it will only be available from a network which seems to be the case in the USA and Japan. Did it not say that it would be available on ANY phone that runs Gingerbread at present? I'm probaly wrong?

19-10-2011, 07:28	#42
legends wear 7 Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,070	My next phone right there

19-10-2011, 09:56	#43
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	Quote: Originally Posted by wilt That panorama photo feature is immense. And the detailed data usage stats and controls are going to be really useful. Should have been implemented long ago tbh. I probably won't be upgrading from my nexus s though. 4.65" is a bit too big for my liking. Hopefully ics will run well on the s. It does look very nice though, I wonder if the 'strategic partner' is another cpw type deal or if it will only be available from a network which seems to be the case in the USA and Japan. The Panorama feature on SGS2 is already an excellent feature. So, unless it does something hugely different, I already have that!!

19-10-2011, 09:57	#44
edEx Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Londres, Tierra del Fuego Posts: 12,952	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 3AM tonight...most of the specs have been all but confirmed apart from the processor. I think 1.2GHz isn't enough to make the Nexus Prime a benchmark device...hopefully it's 1.5GHz.... PCs went through this marketing thing a few years back. The clock speed of the processor isn't as important as the design. Think of it similar to how a 2.5 litre engine at 2000rpm will outperform a 1 litre engine at 4000rpm. The Nexus looks like a decent phone at the moment, but not a knockout one. Very nice screen, mostly good other specs, but a bit disappointing on the camera front. Also, does it have a SD card slot?

19-10-2011, 10:13	#45
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by skiller ..I have used iOS5 on a friend's device. ..What a let down. Very poor presentation. I've never stayed up to watch any movie trailer so was not doing anything here either. Some people think they have found their holy grail. The rest of us just get on and use them.

19-10-2011, 10:54	#46
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Quote: Originally Posted by john_hunter Did it not say that it would be available on ANY phone that runs Gingerbread at present? I'm probaly wrong? No, nothing was said about whether or not Android 4.0 will be released on its own or as an upgrade option for existing handsets, which was unsurprising really, since it was a smartphone launch event, not an OS launch event.

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Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich Event on 19th October

19-10-2011, 11:02	#47
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Some info on 4.0 here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/a...-now-official/ Here's some of the enhancements found in Ice Cream Sandwich: • Option to use virtual buttons in the UI, instead of taking up capacitive touch buttons • Widgets are in a new tab, listed in a similar list to apps • Folders are much easier to create, with a drag-and-drop style similar to iOS • A customizable launcher • New phone app with visual voicemail functionality that lets you speed up or slow down voicemail messages • Pinch-to-zoom functionality in the calendar • Gmail has offline search, a two-line preview, and new action bar at the bottom • Swipe left or right to switch between Gmail conversations • Integrated screenshot capture by holding power and volume down buttons • Improved error correction on the keyboard • Ability to access apps directly from lock screen (similar to HTC Sense 3.x) • Improved copy and paste • Better voice integration • Face Unlock, a facial recognition service • New tabbed web browser, allowing up to 16 tabs • Browser now automatically syncs your Chrome bookmarks •Modern "Roboto" font • Data Usage section in settings lets you set warnings when you reach a certain amount of use and disabling data when you go over your limit • Ability to kill off apps that are using data in the background • Camera app: zero shutter lag, time lapse settings, zoom while recording • Built-in photo editor • New gallery layout, organized by location and person • Refreshed people app with social network integration, status updates and hi-res images • Android Beam, a NFC feature that lets you exchange websites, contact info, directions, YouTube, etc. • Don't like some of those preloaded carrier apps? Disable 'em. Android Engineer Dan Morrill mentions that, among other new features, any app can be disabled, and while it will still take up space in ROM, it won't be snatching any of your precious resources or clock cycles again if you don't want it to.

19-10-2011, 11:31	#48
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Underwhelmed. An improvement on the Galaxy s2, sure, but about as exciting as the 4s - not very. Also a great example of why techies shouldn't do presentations!

19-10-2011, 11:37	#49
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock Underwhelmed. An improvement on the Galaxy s2, sure, but about as exciting as the 4s - not very. Also a great example of why techies shouldn't do presentations! The device is more about ICS which is a significant upgrade to Android. It blows the 4S away anyway, and the iPhone still doesn't have features like NFC and face recognition, and now the GN has a resolution that rivals the Retina display, except it's much bigger... I don't really see how it's 'about as exciting' as the 4S, considering this phone just kicked off the ICS era and launched a new screen benchmark, where as the 4S was just last years tech with an up to date processor and a better camera... Nexus S > Galaxy Nexus is a massive upgrade compared to iPhone 4 > iPhone 4S

19-10-2011, 11:44	#50
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	There was nothing there that i would place much value in. Yes, next to each other, prime beats s2. It's a comparable upgrade to going from 4 to 4s, so I won't be rushing to the shops. Ics is nice, but much of the new functionality is already available in 3rd party apps. The demo showed exactly why face recognition is a bad idea, and whilst beam is cool it can be replicated elsewhere. Of course, id prefer it to a 4s, that goes without saying, but it's only a step forward rather than a leap.