Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich Event on 19th October

DejaVoodoo · 19-10-2011, 22:16

Megapixels aren't everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0fN55W9erM

Nice side by side comparison regarding speed of shutter.

Gormond · 19-10-2011, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo

Megapixels aren't everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0fN55W9erM

Nice side by side comparison regarding speed of shutter.

Unsure what that actually proves?

RAZORBACK · 19-10-2011, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dai13371

So, was the announcement of the Galaxy Nexus (even the name is disappointing) as much of a let down as Apples recent announcement?

Not at all, purchased my SGS2 in May via a 2 year contract so I'm not going to be in a position to upgrade for quite a while and it was nice to know that my phone hasn't been blown out of the water by the GN.

ICS met my expectations so I'm really hoping that it will be made available for SGS2 users (although I suspect that I'm going to have to root my phone in order for this to happen)...

paulbrock · 19-10-2011, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

Unsure what that actually proves?

nexus is able to take photos faster than the 4s, despite it being one of the 4s's selling points.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10...-announcement/

even mocking an android phone with "I don’t know what Droid Bionic customers have to do between taking pictures… like, go get coffee". Presumably, now 4S customers will also be getting a drink between pictures.

paulbrock · 19-10-2011, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAZORBACK

ICS met my expectations so I'm really hoping that it will be made available for SGS2 users (although I suspect that I'm going to have to root my phone in order for this to happen)...

I'd be very surprised if us SGS2 owners don't get ICS (subject to carriers playing ball). I got a vanilla one from Carphone so shouldn't have too long to wait. They've confirmed the Nexus S will get ICS, so I don't see why later models won't.

call100 · 19-10-2011, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

I'd be very surprised if us SGS2 owners don't get ICS (subject to carriers playing ball). I got a vanilla one from Carphone so shouldn't have too long to wait. They've confirmed the Nexus S will get ICS, so I don't see why later models won't.

Updates within weeks of launch....

IslandNiles · 19-10-2011, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

I'd be very surprised if us SGS2 owners don't get ICS (subject to carriers playing ball). I got a vanilla one from Carphone so shouldn't have too long to wait. They've confirmed the Nexus S will get ICS, so I don't see why later models won't.

I'd be astounded if the S2 didn't get ICS. The Motorola RAZR is getting it in "early 2012".

RAZORBACK · 19-10-2011, 23:22

Well I'll be very happy to be proved wrong, I am however tied to the O2 network so it may still be not as quick or as straight forward for me as others (fingers crossed that after making this post a decent number of 'I'll be astounded if O2 SGS2 owners don't get the upgrade' comments will then appear on this thread

)...

Gormond · 20-10-2011, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

nexus is able to take photos faster than the 4s, despite it being one of the 4s's selling points.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10...-announcement/

even mocking an android phone with "I don’t know what Droid Bionic customers have to do between taking pictures… like, go get coffee". Presumably, now 4S customers will also be getting a drink between pictures.

Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything.

Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people.

david.boobis · 20-10-2011, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything.

Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people.

I agree on the lock-to-shot speed being important, that hasn't been shown off yet so no-one can say definitively which is quicker. But come on, the shot-to-shot speed on the Galaxy Nexus is CLEARLY faster than on the 4S, in fact it has been suggested that it's as quick as you can tap it. You have to wait for the 4S to do it's little animation before you can take a second picture on it.

Zack06 · 20-10-2011, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything.

Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people.

ICS has an option to unlock straight into the camera app, so its not going to be any slower than on a 4S.

IslandNiles · 20-10-2011, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

ICS has an option to unlock straight into the camera app, so its not going to be any slower than on a 4S.

The camera does look really responsive. I have to say, I wasn't keen on the sly swipe that Apple took during the 4S launch at competitor cameras. When companies do that, it almost always comes back to bite them. I see Microsoft were at it the other day, making cringeworthy and ridiculous statements about Android.

Rich2k · 20-10-2011, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything.

Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people.

That and the fact the iPhone 4s has a higher megapixel camera and so obviously has more to save for every photo. Rubbish and pointless comparison.

DejaVoodoo · 20-10-2011, 19:50

I think it was more to do with shutter speed.

The test was probably done due to apples comments at the 4S press conference.

Zack06 · 20-10-2011, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandNiles

The camera does look really responsive. I have to say, I wasn't keen on the sly swipe that Apple took during the 4S launch at competitor cameras. When companies do that, it almost always comes back to bite them. I see Microsoft were at it the other day, making cringeworthy and ridiculous statements about Android.

Lol I never listen to Steve Ballmer...wasn't he the one who said consumers would never get the iPhone!

grumpyoldbat · 20-10-2011, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

Lol I never listen to Steve Ballmer...wasn't he the one who said consumers would never get the iPhone!

I don't think other people at Microsoft even listen to Steve Ballmer, let alone the rest of us. He's a joke! What's he known for except shouting and throwing chairs?

Zack06 · 20-10-2011, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat

I don't think other people at Microsoft even listen to Steve Ballmer, let alone the rest of us. He's a joke! What's he known for except shouting and throwing chairs?

Steve is the reason MS aren't with it at the moment. They slept on both iPhone and Android, and now all Steve can do in response is shout...

Windows Phone isn't taking off, and they haven't had that 'it' device yet, but if it doesn't come soon then they will pose no threat to Android or iPhone for that matter...

Btw Ice Cream Sandwich made Android look pretty...so all the comments about it looking 'clunky' can stop right there.

Biffo the Bear · 20-10-2011, 23:21

Megapixels are much less important than the lens and sensor quality. If the sensor is poor, more megapixels just equal more noise.

Manufacturers tend to use megapixels as a gimmick; my old Kodak digital camera whch is 1.2MP takes better quality pics than a cheapo 13MP camera.

iain · 21-10-2011, 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

3AM tonight...most of the specs have been all but confirmed apart from the processor. I think 1.2GHz isn't enough to make the Nexus Prime a benchmark device...hopefully it's 1.5GHz....

I hope all the iOS users enjoy the preview of what's to come in iOS 7 tonight

yeah - being able to easily group apps by dragging them onto other apps will be really a really useful feature!

Iain

iain · 21-10-2011, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

Steve is the reason MS aren't with it at the moment. They slept on both iPhone and Android, and now all Steve can do in response is shout...

Windows Phone isn't taking off, and they haven't had that 'it' device yet, but if it doesn't come soon then they will pose no threat to Android or iPhone for that matter...

Btw Ice Cream Sandwich made Android look pretty...so all the comments about it looking 'clunky' can stop right there.

maybe it'll look better in the flesh, but looking through the screenshots posted online, it didn't look that pretty.

Iain

wilt · 21-10-2011, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by iain

yeah - being able to easily group apps by dragging them onto other apps will be really a really useful feature!

Iain

Yeah, almost as useful as non-intrusive notifications

iain · 21-10-2011, 01:31

so what have we learned here?

that Android do everything first, and iOS only ever copies android?

either way, when it comes to the UI it's often in the little details. pull down the notifications in iOS, and the bottom edge is straight while it comes down. once it is down, the bottom corners smoothly animate into rounded corners.

not that one single thing like that is too important - but it's a nice attention to detail seen throughout the UI.

mind you - the new Roboto font looks pretty nice.

Iain

wilt · 21-10-2011, 01:41

I didn't say that, just a small quip to your folders dig. It's best to not get into the whole who-copies-who stuff, it's been done to death, not only on phones but also between mac os x and windows.

It usually ends with some clever clogs pointing out that it was actually some company that nobody has ever heard of who had it first.

Stiggles · 21-10-2011, 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich2k

That and the fact the iPhone 4s has a higher megapixel camera and so obviously has more to save for every photo. Rubbish and pointless comparison.

Doesn't work like that! Even if it did, the speed would be so small no one would ever notice it. Even on a similar camera, say the S2 which also has an 8mp it would still beat the iphone 4s. However, who actually cares about this really?

Zack06 · 21-10-2011, 07:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by iain

yeah - being able to easily group apps by dragging them onto other apps will be really a really useful feature!

Iain

Hmmm just like having all your notifications in a pull down drawer at the top is a useful feature in iOS

19-10-2011, 23:22	#83
RAZORBACK Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 366	Well I'll be very happy to be proved wrong, I am however tied to the O2 network so it may still be not as quick or as straight forward for me as others (fingers crossed that after making this post a decent number of 'I'll be astounded if O2 SGS2 owners don't get the upgrade' comments will then appear on this thread)...

19-10-2011, 22:16	#76
DejaVoodoo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 5,670	Megapixels aren't everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0fN55W9erM Nice side by side comparison regarding speed of shutter.

19-10-2011, 22:35	#77
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo Megapixels aren't everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0fN55W9erM Nice side by side comparison regarding speed of shutter. Unsure what that actually proves?

19-10-2011, 22:45	#78
RAZORBACK Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 366	Quote: Originally Posted by Dai13371 So, was the announcement of the Galaxy Nexus (even the name is disappointing) as much of a let down as Apples recent announcement? Not at all, purchased my SGS2 in May via a 2 year contract so I'm not going to be in a position to upgrade for quite a while and it was nice to know that my phone hasn't been blown out of the water by the GN. ICS met my expectations so I'm really hoping that it will be made available for SGS2 users (although I suspect that I'm going to have to root my phone in order for this to happen)...

19-10-2011, 22:51	#79
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Unsure what that actually proves? nexus is able to take photos faster than the 4s, despite it being one of the 4s's selling points. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10...-announcement/ even mocking an android phone with "I don’t know what Droid Bionic customers have to do between taking pictures… like, go get coffee". Presumably, now 4S customers will also be getting a drink between pictures.

19-10-2011, 22:57	#80
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by RAZORBACK ICS met my expectations so I'm really hoping that it will be made available for SGS2 users (although I suspect that I'm going to have to root my phone in order for this to happen)... I'd be very surprised if us SGS2 owners don't get ICS (subject to carriers playing ball). I got a vanilla one from Carphone so shouldn't have too long to wait. They've confirmed the Nexus S will get ICS, so I don't see why later models won't.

19-10-2011, 23:03	#81
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock I'd be very surprised if us SGS2 owners don't get ICS (subject to carriers playing ball). I got a vanilla one from Carphone so shouldn't have too long to wait. They've confirmed the Nexus S will get ICS, so I don't see why later models won't. Updates within weeks of launch....

19-10-2011, 23:03	#82
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock I'd be very surprised if us SGS2 owners don't get ICS (subject to carriers playing ball). I got a vanilla one from Carphone so shouldn't have too long to wait. They've confirmed the Nexus S will get ICS, so I don't see why later models won't. I'd be astounded if the S2 didn't get ICS. The Motorola RAZR is getting it in "early 2012".

20-10-2011, 08:59	#84
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock nexus is able to take photos faster than the 4s, despite it being one of the 4s's selling points. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10...-announcement/ even mocking an android phone with "I don’t know what Droid Bionic customers have to do between taking pictures… like, go get coffee". Presumably, now 4S customers will also be getting a drink between pictures. Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything. Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people.

20-10-2011, 10:35	#85
david.boobis Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 376	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything. Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people. I agree on the lock-to-shot speed being important, that hasn't been shown off yet so no-one can say definitively which is quicker. But come on, the shot-to-shot speed on the Galaxy Nexus is CLEARLY faster than on the 4S, in fact it has been suggested that it's as quick as you can tap it. You have to wait for the 4S to do it's little animation before you can take a second picture on it.

20-10-2011, 16:33	#86
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything. Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people. ICS has an option to unlock straight into the camera app, so its not going to be any slower than on a 4S.

20-10-2011, 17:16	#87
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 ICS has an option to unlock straight into the camera app, so its not going to be any slower than on a 4S. The camera does look really responsive. I have to say, I wasn't keen on the sly swipe that Apple took during the 4S launch at competitor cameras. When companies do that, it almost always comes back to bite them. I see Microsoft were at it the other day, making cringeworthy and ridiculous statements about Android.

20-10-2011, 17:16	#88
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Only 4 or 5 pictures were taken with the nexus. 6 were taken with the iPhone. Doesn't ally prove anything. Also you have to take into consideration how long it takes from the phone in lock state till you can take your first pic as that is what's most important to people. That and the fact the iPhone 4s has a higher megapixel camera and so obviously has more to save for every photo. Rubbish and pointless comparison.

20-10-2011, 19:50	#89
DejaVoodoo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 5,670	I think it was more to do with shutter speed. The test was probably done due to apples comments at the 4S press conference.

20-10-2011, 20:36	#90
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles The camera does look really responsive. I have to say, I wasn't keen on the sly swipe that Apple took during the 4S launch at competitor cameras. When companies do that, it almost always comes back to bite them. I see Microsoft were at it the other day, making cringeworthy and ridiculous statements about Android. Lol I never listen to Steve Ballmer...wasn't he the one who said consumers would never get the iPhone!

20-10-2011, 20:58	#91
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Lol I never listen to Steve Ballmer...wasn't he the one who said consumers would never get the iPhone! I don't think other people at Microsoft even listen to Steve Ballmer, let alone the rest of us. He's a joke! What's he known for except shouting and throwing chairs?

20-10-2011, 22:09	#92
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat I don't think other people at Microsoft even listen to Steve Ballmer, let alone the rest of us. He's a joke! What's he known for except shouting and throwing chairs? Steve is the reason MS aren't with it at the moment. They slept on both iPhone and Android, and now all Steve can do in response is shout... Windows Phone isn't taking off, and they haven't had that 'it' device yet, but if it doesn't come soon then they will pose no threat to Android or iPhone for that matter... Btw Ice Cream Sandwich made Android look pretty...so all the comments about it looking 'clunky' can stop right there.

20-10-2011, 23:21	#93
Biffo the Bear Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 24,419	Megapixels are much less important than the lens and sensor quality. If the sensor is poor, more megapixels just equal more noise. Manufacturers tend to use megapixels as a gimmick; my old Kodak digital camera whch is 1.2MP takes better quality pics than a cheapo 13MP camera.

21-10-2011, 01:01	#94
iain Guest Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 62,990	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 3AM tonight...most of the specs have been all but confirmed apart from the processor. I think 1.2GHz isn't enough to make the Nexus Prime a benchmark device...hopefully it's 1.5GHz.... I hope all the iOS users enjoy the preview of what's to come in iOS 7 tonight yeah - being able to easily group apps by dragging them onto other apps will be really a really useful feature! Iain

21-10-2011, 01:04	#95
iain Guest Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 62,990	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Steve is the reason MS aren't with it at the moment. They slept on both iPhone and Android, and now all Steve can do in response is shout... Windows Phone isn't taking off, and they haven't had that 'it' device yet, but if it doesn't come soon then they will pose no threat to Android or iPhone for that matter... Btw Ice Cream Sandwich made Android look pretty...so all the comments about it looking 'clunky' can stop right there. maybe it'll look better in the flesh, but looking through the screenshots posted online, it didn't look that pretty. Iain

21-10-2011, 01:04	#96
wilt Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Potterspury Posts: 930	Quote: Originally Posted by iain yeah - being able to easily group apps by dragging them onto other apps will be really a really useful feature! Iain Yeah, almost as useful as non-intrusive notifications

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Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich Event on 19th October

21-10-2011, 01:31	#97
iain Guest Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 62,990	so what have we learned here? that Android do everything first, and iOS only ever copies android? either way, when it comes to the UI it's often in the little details. pull down the notifications in iOS, and the bottom edge is straight while it comes down. once it is down, the bottom corners smoothly animate into rounded corners. not that one single thing like that is too important - but it's a nice attention to detail seen throughout the UI. mind you - the new Roboto font looks pretty nice. Iain

21-10-2011, 01:41	#98
wilt Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Potterspury Posts: 930	I didn't say that, just a small quip to your folders dig. It's best to not get into the whole who-copies-who stuff, it's been done to death, not only on phones but also between mac os x and windows. It usually ends with some clever clogs pointing out that it was actually some company that nobody has ever heard of who had it first.

21-10-2011, 02:23	#99
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Rich2k That and the fact the iPhone 4s has a higher megapixel camera and so obviously has more to save for every photo. Rubbish and pointless comparison. Doesn't work like that! Even if it did, the speed would be so small no one would ever notice it. Even on a similar camera, say the S2 which also has an 8mp it would still beat the iphone 4s. However, who actually cares about this really?

21-10-2011, 07:55	#100
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by iain yeah - being able to easily group apps by dragging them onto other apps will be really a really useful feature! Iain Hmmm just like having all your notifications in a pull down drawer at the top is a useful feature in iOS