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Old 14-10-2011, 10:49
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Searching for details of how to upgrade the 320gb drive in the HDR i have noticed that most of the posts are quite old and many of the drives people used have been discontinued. Has anyone used thus drive:
WD AV-GP WD10EURS 1 TB - SATA-300
And was it OK?

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Old 14-10-2011, 11:35
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I installed the WD AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB (over a year ago) which is virtually the same as the model you are considering except that your proposed model has twice the cache (64MB) and is a tiny bit more quiet - looks good.

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/librar...879-701250.pdf
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Old 14-10-2011, 13:28
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I installed the WD AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB (over a year ago) which is virtually the same as the model you are considering except that your proposed model has twice the cache (64MB) and is a tiny bit more quiet - looks good.

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/librar...879-701250.pdf
I have this one, too, and have had no issues at all
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Old 14-10-2011, 17:58
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I have two WD10EVDS: one bought a year ago, another just recently which I have in a caddy linked by USB to my Foxsat.

Not had any problems. The WD10EURS uses WD’s Advanced Format, so suggest you stick to the WD10EVDS for a straight forward installation.
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Old 14-10-2011, 19:11
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I have this one, too, and have had no issues at all
Cheers guys looks like that's the one to go for.
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Old 15-10-2011, 09:28
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The WD10EURS uses WD’s Advanced Format, so suggest you stick to the WD10EVDS for a straight forward installation.
I have to agree here. Some of the Sky+HD users tried using a different WD advanced format drive in their boxes (WD10 EARS if my memory serves me correctly) and they had all manner of problems. Advanced format does not suit Sky boxes, I have no idea if Humax will be affected in the same way but I would recommend you stay clear of them.

I recently dumped Sky in favour of FreeSat (got a Humax HDR too). I had previously upgraded my Sky+HD box with this Samsung 1TB drive which I have now installed in my Humax. This drive is very quiet and thus far reliable (in both my Sky box and now my Humax). It was much better than the WD disk I used to use in my Thomson Sky HD box (which was a WD10 EVVS a disk specifically designed for PVRs). FYI, over on the darkside (Sky+HD forum) the upgraders have moved away from WD disks in favour of Seagates or Samsungs.
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Old 15-10-2011, 17:37
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I have to agree here. Some of the Sky+HD users tried using a different WD advanced format drive in their boxes (WD10 EARS if my memory serves me correctly) and they had all manner of problems. Advanced format does not suit Sky boxes, I have no idea if Humax will be affected in the same way but I would recommend you stay clear of them.

I recently dumped Sky in favour of FreeSat (got a Humax HDR too). I had previously upgraded my Sky+HD box with this Samsung 1TB drive which I have now installed in my Humax. This drive is very quiet and thus far reliable (in both my Sky box and now my Humax). It was much better than the WD disk I used to use in my Thomson Sky HD box (which was a WD10 EVVS a disk specifically designed for PVRs). FYI, over on the darkside (Sky+HD forum) the upgraders have moved away from WD disks in favour of Seagates or Samsungs.
Well as that one is even cheaper I am quite happy to take your advice, I have no brand lotalty to WD
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Old 15-10-2011, 17:57
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Sorry to "hijack" the thread but was contemplating something similar to the op.

Is 1TB the largest HDD that can be put into the Foxsat HDR or would it accomodate a 2TB driver for example? Has anyone experience of trying to go beyond 1TB?

Would a 5400 rpm be ok or would 7200rpm do as I have seen a 2TB WD Caviar Green 64mb cache 5400 for just under £60.
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Old 15-10-2011, 20:22
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Sorry to "hijack" the thread but was contemplating something similar to the op.

Is 1TB the largest HDD that can be put into the Foxsat HDR or would it accomodate a 2TB driver for example? Has anyone experience of trying to go beyond 1TB?

Would a 5400 rpm be ok or would 7200rpm do as I have seen a 2TB WD Caviar Green 64mb cache 5400 for just under £60.
The HDR won't format a 2Tb disk itself. I think someone formatted one on a Linux PC first and it then worked in the HDR. If you want to copy all the stuff off the old disk onto the new, then it's a lot easier & quicker to do this on a Linux PC (search for threads on this), or you could just put it in a USB caddy & plug it into the USB socket.

Also, it's definitely better to get a disk specifically designed to be used in AV kit. I believe that the drive software favours streaming performance over error correction - PC drives will try to re-read sectors if they get an error first time around, and the extra latency may affect playback.

I put a 1Tb disk in my HDR a long time ago, and it's now getting quite full. This has impacted the time to populate the media list and this is only going to be worse with more stuff on a bigger disk.
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Old 15-10-2011, 21:18
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........ I think someone formatted one on a Linux PC first and it then worked in the HDR. If you want to copy all the stuff off the old disk onto the new, then it's a lot easier & quicker to do this on a Linux PC....
You can make any PC a temporary linux PC very easily. Just download linux and put in to a USB memory card (the download is around 4gb iirc). Then set your PC bios to open the USB first on startup - you then have a linux PC.

Take the memory card out, and your PC will then be back to a Windows PC.
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Old 15-10-2011, 22:56
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Sorry to "hijack" the thread but was contemplating something similar to the op.

Is 1TB the largest HDD that can be put into the Foxsat HDR or would it accomodate a 2TB driver for example? Has anyone experience of trying to go beyond 1TB?

Would a 5400 rpm be ok or would 7200rpm do as I have seen a 2TB WD Caviar Green 64mb cache 5400 for just under £60.
As already said it's possible to externally format and partition a 2TB drive to use on a Foxsat-hdr but there are 2 snags.

If you have lots of small recordings you will hit on the maximum number of files limitation.

Once you get close to 1TB the response to the media list command is dire.

Best to use a 1TB internal drive and use a usb cradle to fit a 1TB external archive drive which you can swap to get unlimited archiving and replay ad nauseum.

A 5400 drive will be way fast enough to cope, more important is the lack of data checking on AV drives which can make normal PC drives unreliable when they get a bit older. The odd wrong bit on a AV drive is insignificant on a drive storing video/audio, not so on a PC for data applications.
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Old 16-10-2011, 09:28
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Thank you all for your help and for posting about 2tb drives. 1TB should give me enough storage space after previously living with 250gb on a SkyHD (250/250).

I'm a bit concerned about @grahamlthompsons comment on hitting 1tb and the poor response.

I have been deliberating between the Humax Foxsat HDR and the Samsung SMT-S7800 but not sure whether the Samsung HDD can be changed in the same way that it appears so easy to do with the Foxsat HDR.

Can anyone recommend any HDD 1TB drives which would be suitable for the Foxsat. For example, I've been looking at the WD 3.5in 1TB Caviar Green 5400rpm drive. I don't really want to buy a drive that isn't going to be suitable.

Thanks again for your help everyone.
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Old 16-10-2011, 09:40
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Would any of these be suitable?

http://www.cclonline.com/product/625...rnal-/HDD0817/

http://www.cclonline.com/product/271...Drive/HDD0938/

http://www.cclonline.com/product/456...rnal-/HDD1108/

I buy from this company as they are local, reliable and average sort of price. (Avoid PC World like the plague!)
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Old 16-10-2011, 12:36
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Is 1TB the largest HDD that can be put into the Foxsat HDR or would it accomodate a 2TB driver for example? Has anyone experience of trying to go beyond 1TB?
I seem to remember that a while back Bob_Cat said that Humax had tested upgrades up to 1TB but didn't recommend going beyond this size mainly as it was not known how the software would handle them.That was at a time when 320GB was the norm and before Humax itself started bringing out higher capacity models. Just out of interest he also said "you do so (upgrading) at your own risk and it may be considered to void the warranty if the upgrade is done improperly (in our judgement). But in general there is little risk in upgrading."
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Old 17-10-2011, 09:29
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Thanks for clearing that up @Night Watchman!
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Old 17-10-2011, 10:46
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I installed a 1.5 TB drive and formatted it under linux to give me maximum space for video and minimum for photos.
I can confirm that the media list gets slow when it gets near full but for me this is offset by the convenience of having all saved shows in one place. also the rest of the family can find what they are looking for without help from me.
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Old 17-10-2011, 11:26
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Just managrd to get the last 1tb wd10evds from CCl Online and picked it up. Now to do the swapover. Wish me luck
Thanks everyone for the great advice.
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Old 27-10-2011, 17:30
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Graham T recomended this on 29/6/11 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-w...oogle+shopping so I got one,and I am shocked to see that they are now £119 ! because at the time I paid only £52! Only 3 months ago.So whats happened there?
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Old 27-10-2011, 18:00
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Graham T recomended this on 29/6/11 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-w...oogle+shopping so I got one,and I am shocked to see that they are now £119 ! because at the time I paid only £52! Only 3 months ago.So whats happened there?
The reason (Excuse ) is the floods in Thailand affecting production so the usual supply/demand situation.
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Old 27-10-2011, 19:16
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Blimey. At these sort of prices I would consider getting another box to sit ontop of the existing instead!
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Old 28-10-2011, 09:33
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I seem to remember that a while back Bob_Cat said that Humax had tested upgrades up to 1TB but didn't recommend going beyond this size mainly as it was not known how the software would handle them.That was at a time when 320GB was the norm and before Humax itself started bringing out higher capacity models. Just out of interest he also said "you do so (upgrading) at your own risk and it may be considered to void the warranty if the upgrade is done improperly (in our judgement). But in general there is little risk in upgrading."
I also remember that he said there was no reason that the HDR would have problems with larger capacities - The only problem being that the HDR will not format drives above 1tb.
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