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If the 80's was so good why did I like the 90's better.Sorry I love Grunge it had more meaning and sumed up a time and feeling just like what Punk did in the 70's but the 80's killed it and Rock music was pop drivin crap in the 80's and guy with big hair.Don't get me wrong some good bands came out of the 80's like U2 The Smiths and some other but the rest of the time it was boring there was no Headbanger ball or MTV when it was good and played Rock music.People in the UK must think 80's life was great it was not like that it was stupid dafft and fruity people like Black Lace and crap like Falco abit like now plus there was no Extreme sports on tv or nothing.The only thing great about the 80's was Ska and Tv show like the Tube without them them it would have been so dismall and much worse Sir Cliff Richards would be on Tv and Radio non stop.The way I see it the 80's are abit like now but much wose no direction and there is no future and Englands still dreaming no future for us Cher LLyold Blah.:yawn::sleep:
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Single (download) sales are at an all time high at the moment. The sales in the singles chart are higher now than they were in the 70's or whatever.
where do you get your figures from? sales are well down |
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the folks who post on this site in general seem to have poor taste in general, whether it's music, tv or movies, with crap like pop and soaps and reality shows more popular than more serious and credible entertainment. fortunately it's not entirely representative of the whole public. perhaps older posters are less inclined to join such as discussion after reading some of the crap that's posted
You made quite a few points on this thread that I'd agree with and certainly provided adequate support to show where you wre coming from but, curiously, your posts were pulled apart by another poster because you hadn't used the phrase "I my opinion" every time you wrote a sentence. I think it's safe to assume that most of what any of us write is our opinion! Your spar then went on to post a list of personal 80's favourites which were so dreadful that I had to read it twice to make sure that it wasn't a joke.
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nah.... 75-7 was dire, 87 -94 was equally poor.
64-8 was best followed by 77-83. ![]() I like soul and disco, so I love the 75-77 period. 78 it all starts to go iffy when the Bee Gees get involved, but there are still some awesome disco tracks around till well into 81. In general terms, 1983-84 was the best period for a wide range of tastes and styles. Without doubt IMO the best period for the charts. |
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A lot of good music came out of the 1980s but there was one change at the start of the decade that I didn't think was an improvement.
That was the change to an "all electronic" sound and the disappearance of "real instruments", brass and strings etc. I suppose session musicians were an expense producers didn't want any more - but the sound wasn't the same. These are a couple of the very last "old fashioned" records I can think of from the early 80s |
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I'm guessing you like guitar-based bands, so that's a fair judgement.
I like soul and disco, so I love the 75-77 period. 78 it all starts to go iffy when the Bee Gees get involved, but there are still some awesome disco tracks around till well into 81. In general terms, 1983-84 was the best period for a wide range of tastes and styles. Without doubt IMO the best period for the charts. i love 60's soul/motown, i hated 70's sweet soul with a passion... |
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Single (download) sales are at an all time high at the moment. The sales in the singles chart are higher now than they were in the 70's or whatever.
. when new kids on the block reached #1 in early 1990, it was the lowest selling #1 of all time and if it had been released in 83 wouldnt have made the top 40 on those sales. |
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i love 60's soul/motown, i hated 70's sweet soul with a passion...
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lol but downloads are a very recent thing...we used to buy 7" vinyl singles and 12" albums you know!
when new kids on the block reached #1 in early 1990, it was the lowest selling #1 of all time and if it had been released in 83 wouldnt have made the top 40 on those sales. |
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lol but downloads are a very recent thing...we used to buy 7" vinyl singles and 12" albums you know!
when new kids on the block reached #1 in early 1990, it was the lowest selling #1 of all time and if it had been released in 83 wouldnt have made the top 40 on those sales. Personally I stopped buying singles in 1986, purely because of the decline in the quality of the music, did everyone else? |
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I love 80s music and much prefer 80s songs to most current ones.
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So what happened in those 7 years between 83 & 90 to cause such a drop in sales? The 7" single was still king in 1990.
Personally I stopped buying singles in 1986, purely because of the decline in the quality of the music, did everyone else? And of course Wham finished. In their place, there seemed to be an awful lot of re-releases, mainly linked with adverts, lots of Eastenders tie-ins, and acts with only one or two hits in them like, say, Owen Paul or Blow Monkeys. |
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You don't want to borrow my Stylistics CD then?
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On musical quality it wouldn't have made the Top 40 back then either. Maybe if they had a good publicity machine that could get their faces into Smash Hits, but back in the early 80s, many of the 'pretty boys' who appeared as pin-ups could back it up with good music, eg Haircut 100, Duran, Spandau Ballet etc.
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So what happened in those 7 years between 83 & 90 to cause such a drop in sales? The 7" single was still king in 1990.
Personally I stopped buying singles in 1986, purely because of the decline in the quality of the music, did everyone else? ![]() same thing happened in the early 70's when the 60's generation either grew out of music, or developed their tastes into rock and prog rock. it allowed a new generation to make their mark and identity with glamrock. as i see it, the punk/new romantic era died out in 86, with those people (me!) moving onto different, non singles music. this allowed a new style to emerge, in 88-9 saw did not dominate the charts, it just seemed like it because of their samish sounds. in reality, rock, indie, house/dance were more popular. but i think that many of what were the singles buying public switched to albums, which were much better value. so i agree, the standard of singles chart material wasnt as good nor exciting as it had been. to reply to the op's original premis.... of COURSE music was better in the 80's, even in the late 80's. to prove it all you need is a knowlege of the music that charted and any retro chart listing. however, its not just the 80's that are superior, id suggest ANY chart from the birth of rock n roll in the mid 50's upto about 2006 is superior ! id suggest they all had a wider variety, more identity, better musical quality, then 99% of todays chart material. (yes, id suggest that even in the early 00's the variety and quality were still there, in fact 2003 was one of my fav ever years!) |
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I'd certainly be in agreement with this.
You made quite a few points on this thread that I'd agree with and certainly provided adequate support to show where you wre coming from but, curiously, your posts were pulled apart by another poster because you hadn't used the phrase "I my opinion" every time you wrote a sentence. I think it's safe to assume that most of what any of us write is our opinion! Your spar then went on to post a list of personal 80's favourites which were so dreadful that I had to read it twice to make sure that it wasn't a joke. ![]() i like music new and old, there is always new great music being made, it's just the charts are more a reflection of the times and the poor taste in music of the masses, by people who don't really like music, not enough to discover it and learn from it and experience and enjoy it as music lovers do there is good and bad music from every period, but the 80s electronic domination brought the opposite of what technology should do, making people lazier instead of more inventive, that's why through history you have had reactions such as punk, acid house, grunge, brit pop, etc, rebelling against the musical masses and giving hope to those who don't want to be treated like sheep. which is precisely what stock aitken and waterman and simon cowel and co have done. if you enjoy that crap, shame on you |
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For me 80's "pop" was pretty grim.
But the indie / alternative scene produced many many gems. Even some bands that became "big" and tedious (don't they all) had some fine early works. Simple Minds - Sons and Fascination is a prime example of greatness before they turned. Other 80's highlights for me were the Cocteau Twins, Magazine, Echo ATB, early Cure. etc.etc. It's all subjective but that's the beauty isn't it. The dungaree should be banned for ever more!
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...have you never heard of the Reynolds Girls, Devine, Sonia or Big Fun?...
For those who weren't around at the time, check it out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0-p2XQwvgk Just my opinion of course. Music is subjective after all. For those who are interested, a lot of the SAW back catalogue has been released / is being released via iTunes. Remixes, previously unreleased tracks and instrumentals are all there. |
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lol but downloads are a very recent thing...we used to buy 7" vinyl singles and 12" albums you know!
when new kids on the block reached #1 in early 1990, it was the lowest selling #1 of all time and if it had been released in 83 wouldnt have made the top 40 on those sales. But nobody is going to buy vinyls, etc. anymore, since technology has developed now. Sales of vinyls are at an all time low now. Sales of actual songs were at an all-time high last year. The highest since the charts started. |
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Yes, I used to listen to cassettes as a child myself.
But nobody is going to buy vinyls, etc. anymore, since technology has developed now. Sales of vinyls are at an all time low now. Sales of actual songs were at an all-time high last year. The highest since the charts started. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored...l-records.html There was a report on the BBC this morning covering this subject, it was good to hear music fans appreciating the best way to listen to music, all over again. |
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Vinyl is making a comeback, it will never be the most popular way of having music in ones possession, but it is making it's mark on the music industry again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored...l-records.html There was a report on the BBC this morning covering this subject, it was good to hear music fans appreciating the best way to listen to music, all over again. Quote:
While the overall state of the music industry is parlous, singles are booming. Sales of the once moribund format topped the 5m mark last week for the first time ever, while one of the year's biggest hits secured its millionth sale.
Having reached a 2011 high of 4,025,393 in the week before Christmas, sales ballooned to 5,451,493 last week, with punters redeeming gift cards and acquiring digital downloads to secure musical content for mobile devices. Sales were 14.59% above the previous best week's tally of 4,757,430 set exactly a year ago. 5,396,302 of last week’s singles sales – 98.99% - were digital. Topping the chart for the first time on its 10th appearance, Paradise is Coldplay's second number one, following 2008's Viva La Vida. The track - which has moved 14-17-20-13-11-12-7-2-5-1 thus far - sold 108,390 copies last week, raising its overall sales to 528,159, the later tally including 118,547 copies sold when it was not eligible for the chart, having been used as an inducement for fans to pre-order parent album Xylo Myloto. While the album is still a little short of becoming Coldplay's fifth million seller, Paradise is very much on course to become their biggest selling single, with only the aforementioned Viva La Vida (603,652 sales) ahead of it. Had Paradise been eligible for the chart since its release, it would currently be on its 16th chart appearance, and would have shattered the record for most weeks in the Top 40 before reaching number one, a record held by Celine Dion's Think Twice which was on its 13th week in the Top 40 (and its 16th in the Top 75) when it reached number one in 1995. After debuting at number one last week, Wherever You Are dips to number four (74,317 sales) for Military Wives feat. Gareth Malone. The rest of last week's top four are in steeper decline: Little Mix's Cannonball falls 2-6 (63,862 sales) and Lou Monte's Dominick The Donkey (The Italian Christmas Donkey) slumps from its debut position of number three to number 41 (13,800 sales) - but the biggest slide, not just of the week, but of more than 59 years of chart history, comes from Alex Day, whose Forever Yours dives to number 112 (4,938 sales), a week after entering a number four. No single in chart history has fallen out of the Top 75 from a higher position. Olly Murs' second album In Case You Didn't Know falls 3-4 (40,710 sales) but the two number one singles from the set are among the many 2011 hits to enjoy a bounce, with Dance With Me Tonight dashing 6-2 (76,822 sales) and Heart Skips A Beat (feat. Rizzle Kicks) up 25-15 (40,935 sales). Among other 2011 hits in recovery mode is Moves Like Jagger, the incredibly successful Maroon 5/Christina Aguilera collaboration. Although it never reached number one, the track spent seven straight weeks at number two, and climbs 15-11 on its 20th consecutive week in the Top 20. More importantly, it sold 51,977 copies last week to secure its millionth sale. Ending the year on 1,043,562 sales, it thus finishes second in the 2011 rankings behind Adele's Someone Like You, which charges 49-27 this week, with a further 19,015 sales raising its final tally to 1,242,917. Amidst a plethora of re-entries the three genuine Top 40 debut this week come from Warzone - The fourth single from The Wanted's second album, Battleground jumps 46-21 (24,775 sales) – and a brace of Jessie J recordings. Jessie’s Domino jumps 54-34 (16,615 sales) to overtake her James Morrison collaboration Up, which climbs 53-35 (15,657 sales). Jessie’s Price Tag (feat. B.O.B.) also joins the party, rebounding 61-39 (13,900 sales). Sales for 194 positions in the Top 200 were at record highs last week. Although the record for none of the top six positions was broken everything from seventh place down was a record-breaker, with the entire Top 10 selling more than 50,000 copies for the first time. The first record-breaker, Ed Sheeran’s Lego House, sold (as mentioned above) 60,787 copies compared to the previous best number seven sale of 54,479, set by LeAnn Rimes’ Can’t Fight The Moonlight in week 51 of 2000. Rizzle Kicks’ Mama Do The Hump is number 10 this week on sales of 53,189, easily beating the previous top tally of 46,410 set by Robbie Williams’ Supreme, also in week 51 of 2000. It sold more than 10 times as many copies as the century’s smallest selling number 10, Uniting Nations’ Out Of Touch, which held the position in the first week of 2005, on sales of just 5,381. Rizzle Kicks also occupy the number 40 position this week, with When I Was A Youngster selling 13,891 copies, beating the previous record of 13,157 set by B.o.B’s Magic exactly a year ago. At the Top 40’s weakest point – week 1, 2005 – Britney Spears’ My Prerogative held the anchor position on sales of just 1,092 copies. The Saturdays’ All Fired Up is number 75 this week, with 7,999 sales, smashing the previous record for that position of 6,492 sales set by Beyonce’s Sweet Dreams in the final week of 2009. And number 200 this week is No Beef by Afrojack, with sales of 2,609, compared to the previous record of 2,139 set by James Blunt’s Stay The Night exactly a year earlier. All of the top 29 singles this week sold more copies the 17,694 that Orson’s No Tomorrow sold when it climbed to the summit in week 11, 2006. One thing we didn’t have this week, however, was a blockbuster number one – the 108,390 copies that Coldplay’s Paradise sold to reach the summit is only the 140th biggest number one sale of the century. The average for a number one for the century to date is 90,822, and for 2011 it was 103,332, with a high of 555,622 (Military Wives) and a low of 46,584 (Olly Murs). The only occasion on which a sale of less than 3,000 earned a Top 75 placing in the year was 20 weeks ago, when Beyonce’s Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) held at number 75 on sales of 2,965. |
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The charts from on this day thirty years ago:
http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F1982 At least half of the top 10 are considered classics and there are a couple of other decent songs there as well. From 20 years ago: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F1992 In the top 10 only Shakespeare’s Sister and Shanice (at a push) are classics although I don’t particularly like either song. The rest of the Top 10 are hit and miss in terms of quality. From 10 years ago: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F2002 Only the Pink record is anywhere close to being a classic (although I can’t stand it) and of the rest of the top 10, six of the songs I cannot even remember in spite of the fact I followed the charts closely at the time. The other three songs (Enrique, DB Boulevard and Puretone) are pretty poor as well. Do the same with any other years and you will find the same thing: a general decrease in quality since the mid to late ‘80s. The reason for this? Not sure but maybe something to do with the rise of manufactured music; or maybe the introduction of the internet, computer games, more TV aimed at young people all making youth culture less music-oriented and thus young people less interested in pop music; or maybe the rise of the pop video making music more about how an artist looks than how they sound; or maybe pop music has just simply run out of steam. |
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I think it may be the case that it has run out of steam,slowly, over the last 10 years or so, and eventually it will grind to a halt with music fans able to download any song from the last 60 odd years in a flash, they will start to look to the past for something that is not being made well in the present.
I consider 78-85 to be the best era in music ever and it will never be rivlled again IMO. |
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The charts from on this day thirty years ago:
http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F1982 At least half of the top 10 are considered classics and there are a couple of other decent songs there as well. From 20 years ago: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F1992 In the top 10 only Shakespeare’s Sister and Shanice (at a push) are classics although I don’t particularly like either song. The rest of the Top 10 are hit and miss in terms of quality. From 10 years ago: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F2002 Only the Pink record is anywhere close to being a classic (although I can’t stand it) and of the rest of the top 10, six of the songs I cannot even remember in spite of the fact I followed the charts closely at the time. The other three songs (Enrique, DB Boulevard and Puretone) are pretty poor as well. Do the same with any other years and you will find the same thing: a general decrease in quality since the mid to late ‘80s. The reason for this? Not sure but maybe something to do with the rise of manufactured music; or maybe the introduction of the internet, computer games, more TV aimed at young people all making youth culture less music-oriented and thus young people less interested in pop music; or maybe the rise of the pop video making music more about how an artist looks than how they sound; or maybe pop music has just simply run out of steam. From 30 years ago today, I like...ABBA, ABC, Bucks Fizz, Dollar, Foreigner, Human League, Kool & The Gang, Madness, Soft Cell, and Tight Fit. From 20 years ago today, I like...2 Unlimited, Dream Frequency, KLF, Kylie Minogue, Madness, Martika, Opus III, Rozalla and Shanice. From 10 years ago today, I like...Alizee, DB Boulevard, Flip 'n' Fill, Sophie Ellis-Bexter, Jakatta, Kylie Minogue, Samantha Mumba, PPK, Riva and Steps. Certainly I would say that people interact with music very differently today what with the internet and loads of tv channels. |
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I think it may be the case that it has run out of steam,slowly, over the last 10 years or so, and eventually it will grind to a halt with music fans able to download any song from the last 60 odd years in a flash, they will start to look to the past for something that is not being made well in the present.
I consider 78-85 to be the best era in music ever and it will never be rivlled again IMO. |
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The first week of 2012 was the first time EVER that over 5,000,000 songs were sold in one week. Througout the 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's, they never had a week where 5,000,000 songs in total were sold.
singles sales are low, dispite them being easier and reletively cheaper to obtain then ever before. the reason?...the markets flat. theres nothing new, nothing exciting, its all corporate image driven generic commercial crap. |
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Firstly, we need to remember that 'quality' is subjective don't we.
. if its subjective, what is it subjective too?... surely theres a difference between songs of good quality and songs that arent. otherwise why are there awards/commodations/critical acclaim for well composed, intricate, peices of meaningful music that has several levels to it? unlike simplistically composed pop. as i see it music is composed on many levels, it appeals on many levels, an intelligently composed piece of original music is likely to be of better quality then a generic, unoriginal, uninspired bit of 'pleasant sounds'. |
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