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Proof 1980s music is better than modern music,,,
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Eric_Blob
20-02-2012
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“...your stats are flawed, you are refering to overall sales. individual singles sales are lower then ever. we are talking about chart singles, not overall music sales.

singles sales are low, dispite them being easier and reletively cheaper to obtain then ever before. the reason?...the markets flat. theres nothing new, nothing exciting, its all corporate image driven generic commercial crap.”

No, firstly I didn't make up the stats. They're fact.

Secondly, the 5,000,000 figure is ONLY songs. It doesn't include albums. There's never been a week where 5,000,000 songs were sold in one week before, until this year. That's fact.
Eric_Blob
20-02-2012
Originally Posted by ajman:
“The charts from on this day thirty years ago:
http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F1982
At least half of the top 10 are considered classics and there are a couple of other decent songs there as well.

From 20 years ago:
http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F1992
In the top 10 only Shakespeare’s Sister and Shanice (at a push) are classics although I don’t particularly like either song. The rest of the Top 10 are hit and miss in terms of quality.

From 10 years ago:
http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=19%2F02%2F2002
Only the Pink record is anywhere close to being a classic (although I can’t stand it) and of the rest of the top 10, six of the songs I cannot even remember in spite of the fact I followed the charts closely at the time. The other three songs (Enrique, DB Boulevard and Puretone) are pretty poor as well.

Do the same with any other years and you will find the same thing: a general decrease in quality since the mid to late ‘80s.

The reason for this? Not sure but maybe something to do with the rise of manufactured music; or maybe the introduction of the internet, computer games, more TV aimed at young people all making youth culture less music-oriented and thus young people less interested in pop music; or maybe the rise of the pop video making music more about how an artist looks than how they sound; or maybe pop music has just simply run out of steam.”

From 2002, Enrique's, Ja Rule's and Puretone's songs are more remembered than Pink's song. At least with people my age...
unique
20-02-2012
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“No, firstly I didn't make up the stats. They're fact.

Secondly, the 5,000,000 figure is ONLY songs. It doesn't include albums. There's never been a week where 5,000,000 songs were sold in one week before, until this year. That's fact.”

that's sales of "tracks", not "singles" in the sense of a song released as a standalone single, so including individual songs purchased from albums. thus people who don't buy a whole album and just pick a couple of songs will go towards that count

so it's not a like for like comparison

also, a digital increase of 15% year on year is meaningless without showing the stats on physical sales of cd/vinyl which dropped
Eric_Blob
20-02-2012
Originally Posted by unique:
“that's sales of "tracks", not "singles" in the sense of a song released as a standalone single, so including individual songs purchased from albums. thus people who don't buy a whole album and just pick a couple of songs will go towards that count

so it's not a like for like comparison

also, a digital increase of 15% year on year is meaningless without showing the stats on physical sales of cd/vinyl which dropped”

Digital sales is practically the entire market now.

Say, the sales of CDs and vinyls probably dropped from something like 3,000 to 500, and the sales of downloads increased from 4,600,000 to 5,000,000. Overall it's an increase in sales.

For the record, I do agree that chart music is very bad at the moment. But sales have nothing to do with it imo.

Song sales were almost at an all-time low in 2003, but that was a much better year for music than in 2011 where song sales were at an all-time high, in my opinion.
unique
20-02-2012
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“Digital sales is practically the entire market now.

Say, the sales of CDs and vinyls probably dropped from something like 3,000 to 500, and the sales of downloads increased from 4,600,000 to 5,000,000. Overall it's an increase in sales.

For the record, I do agree that chart music is very bad at the moment. But sales have nothing to do with it imo.

Song sales were almost at an all-time low in 2003, but that was a much better year for music than in 2011 where song sales were at an all-time high, in my opinion.”


well obviously if sales were only 3,000 and they reduced to 500 and downloads increased by 400,000 then overall sales would be more, but sales of cd and vinyl were considerably more than those numbers

so until you get the real numbers, what you've said is not only meaningless, but probably wrong
mushymanrob
21-02-2012
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“No, firstly I didn't make up the stats. They're fact.

Secondly, the 5,000,000 figure is ONLY songs. It doesn't include albums. There's never been a week where 5,000,000 songs were sold in one week before, until this year. That's fact.”

you misunderstand

there might be more musical tracks bought now, but not singles. you are seriously not suggesting that current singles (individual) are out selling everything from the past?...

q what is the biggest selling single of all time?
a elton johns diana tribute which i believe (if my memory serves me right) sold 3 million.

what modern day track features in the 100 top selling singles of all time?.. if you are correct then that listing would be fll of modern music...it isnt.
unique
21-02-2012
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“you misunderstand

there might be more musical tracks bought now, but not singles. you are seriously not suggesting that current singles (individual) are out selling everything from the past?...

q what is the biggest selling single of all time?
a elton johns diana tribute which i believe (if my memory serves me right) sold 3 million.

what modern day track features in the 100 top selling singles of all time?.. if you are correct then that listing would be fll of modern music...it isnt.”

just a wee bit out. it sold 33 million copies (5m in the UK, 1.5m in the first week). the money from the a side went to charidee. guess where the money from the b side track went?

just wait till queen butcher bohemian rhapsody with the guy from the x factor, in tribute to the queen dying. we'll see how many copies that sells
Glawster2002
21-02-2012
Originally Posted by unique:
“that's sales of "tracks", not "singles" in the sense of a song released as a standalone single, so including individual songs purchased from albums. thus people who don't buy a whole album and just pick a couple of songs will go towards that count

so it's not a like for like comparison

also, a digital increase of 15% year on year is meaningless without showing the stats on physical sales of cd/vinyl which dropped”

I think just saying CD sales are falling, whilst being correct, is also slightly misleading and give the wrong impression.

Overall, the total number of physical CD sales have fallen over the last few years. However during that time sales of Rock CDs have stayed pretty much the same over the same time period and Rock music is one of the driving forces behind the increase in sales of vinyl.

It is sales of Pop and R&B which have seen the biggest drop in physical CD sales, which has had the effect of driving the total number of sales down.

It seems to me that Pop and R&B are much more suited to downloading because they are more singles-orientated, whereas Rock is more Album orientated and, for that reason, Rock fans in general prefer the physical CD or vinyl album.

And before Pop and R&B fans queue up to shoot me down, whilst it is very much a generalisation I have seen the same reasons quoted from within the music industry as well.
koshernostra
21-02-2012
Most of the music being discussed is pop. Soul and old school R&B blew all the crap mentioned.

I still think the 70's ruled and that includes classic rock.
unique
21-02-2012
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“I think just saying CD sales are falling, whilst being correct, is also slightly misleading and give the wrong impression.

Overall, the total number of physical CD sales have fallen over the last few years. However during that time sales of Rock CDs have stayed pretty much the same over the same time period and Rock music is one of the driving forces behind the increase in sales of vinyl.

It is sales of Pop and R&B which have seen the biggest drop in physical CD sales, which has had the effect of driving the total number of sales down.

It seems to me that Pop and R&B are much more suited to downloading because they are more singles-orientated, whereas Rock is more Album orientated and, for that reason, Rock fans in general prefer the physical CD or vinyl album.

And before Pop and R&B fans queue up to shoot me down, whilst it is very much a generalisation I have seen the same reasons quoted from within the music industry as well.”

overall music sales are down when you compare like for like, and when you consider the population explosion and inflation, they should have been growing. but piracy has a lot to blame for that

i've always preferred cd to vinyl. it used to be easier to dj with vinyl as you had more hands on control with the speed of the disc, but with better cd dj decks, cd djing became easier, and now with digital djing on a laptop it's even easier. and carrying a laptop and controller is miles lighter than a box of records, plus you can have your entire collection of music in your bag. when it comes to non dance type music, the software based djing makes things simpler to mix

i doubt many of the people buying vinyl today have decent setups to play it back on, but then again today i doubt many people even have a decent cd based system to play back on
Glawster2002
21-02-2012
Originally Posted by unique:
“i doubt many of the people buying vinyl today have decent setups to play it back on, but then again today i doubt many people even have a decent cd based system to play back on”

From the the guys at my local Hi-fi dealership say that is sadly true.
julie2009
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by belfastkid:
“Queen ruled the 80's. Thats good enough for me.”

Don't forget the 70s and 90s too. compared to some of the groups that are out now and forgot about.

The 60s and 80s were the best music eras
mushymanrob
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by belfastkid:
“Queen ruled the 80's. Thats good enough for me.”

not in my life they didnt.
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