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Old 16-10-2011, 10:11
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I'm predicting in March
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:15
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I don't think he will. Syco might drop him but I imagine he will remain with Columbia
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:20
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Only on DS would a top 10 single (and seemingly a top 10 album) be deemed being dropped.

It's sales that count, not the chart position. People on here seem to have no clue or concept of the industry, hence why people proclaiming anything but a #1 is a fail. Use your brains - and get some perspective. He's in it for the long haul with Columbia at the very least. Don't be mad.

It's quite sad to see people willing someone to fail. Infact, it's disgusting. And it's sad at how much he's seemingly enraged people on here - I thought people knew that the media always take quotes and interviews out of context for sensationalism, but obviously not. Again, get some perspective and use your brains.

Fair enough you don't like him, but the levels of hate and willing for someone to fail is just disgraceful.

For those of you seemingly celebrating his album flopping too, I think you'll be very disappointed. None of you are music academics, so please stop acting like you all are with your 1000000 threads every few seconds about the single and album. None of you are Mystic Meg, either.
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:28
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Only on DS would a top 10 single (and seemingly a top 10 album) be deemed being dropped.

It's sales that count, not the chart position. People on here seem to have no clue or concept of the industry, hence why people proclaiming anything but a #1 is a fail. Use your brains.

It's quite sad to see people willing someone to fail. Infact, it's disgusting. Fair enough you don't like him, but the levels of hate and willing for someone to fail is just disgraceful.
The sales for the single will be crap though.
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:29
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They won't drop him, he's doing fine. And much as I think he's made some errors in judgement I do think all the anti Matt threads are getting a tad dull.

Are there so many because this years contestants don't generate enough talking points?
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:31
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everyone gets dropped sooner or later.

i would say he has 3 albums max in him.
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:39
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who is Matt? :/
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:44
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The sales for the single will be crap though.
Like I said in my previous post, do you have any grasp of the music industry? Be realistic - the sales market always increases at the end of the year. Last week the entire top 5 all shifted over 40k, hardly 'crap' sales. The lower top 10 were all over 30k, which again, is hardly 'crap'. If the sales from last week are similar to this week, then it's hardly crap for Matt to have first week sales of over 30k. Don't let your bias and hatred of Matt cloud your judgement, will you now..

Do you not have anything else to do rather than be so obsessive over somebody you clearly dislike?

It's not the best of songs, no, but it was hardly ever going to set the world alight - that much we can agree on. But it'd be much better to reserve judgement until after the album has dropped.

He's more of an album artist.
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Old 16-10-2011, 10:57
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Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I understand if people don't like the guy and want to criticize his personality, look, material, comments, etc... He's a public figure and that is expected. But the amount of pleasure/glee people are displaying in his supposed failure is odd. Do we really need a thread every single time his song drops a spot on itunes?

I don't understand all these mean spirited comments where people seem to take so much pleasure in seeing him fail. "Omg he dropped a spot *adds smiley face*". It's like what? Really? To me it seems like it takes a lot of energy to dislike somebody that much. I personally don't like Lindsay but I don't go around posting 100 threads about her and trashing her repeatedly. Neither do I take pleasure in her downfall. The worst part is that many of you are adults. That's just sad.

I don't know but I find people who take immense pleasure in seeing somebody they do not know fail and someone who actually hasn't done something horrible/unforgivable, to be disturbing. People like this scare me. That's a lot of bitterness inside.
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Old 16-10-2011, 11:19
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I think Columbia will keep him, the problem is as it was originally a joint deal, they will not spend much money on future promotions.

Single now number 15 on itunes, not very good. This means his sales are incredibly low.

Unfortunately number 2 album won't stop people or the media from seeing him as a flop as he joins Leon, Joe and Steve on the list of X Factor Male winners who never topped the charts with their singles and album. (Think Steve did before he was dropped).

In the long run, it could be better for him to keep going with his core fanbase, won't make much impact on the music scene, but he will have some support.
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Old 16-10-2011, 11:21
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Think I know what you mean but just in case

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cardle
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Old 16-10-2011, 11:26
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Tomorrow afternoon
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Old 16-10-2011, 11:59
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Hopefully a few days before Christmas.
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Old 16-10-2011, 12:00
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I haven't a clue if he will get dropped or not and neither does any one else.

I have to say though I am gobsmacked about his low chart entry (low compared to last yr's other contestants) and I am not one of those rubbing my hands with glee. I just cannot fathom out how he won the public vote every single week bar one and those votes have not translated to sales even if they didn't like the song.

I know he has tougher competition this week and will be interesting to see how Cher and 1D fair with their next singles which both have tough competition on the week of release.
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Old 16-10-2011, 12:05
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I haven't a clue if he will get dropped or not and neither does any one else.

I have to say though I am gobsmacked about his low chart entry (low compared to last yr's other contestants) and I am not one of those rubbing my hands with glee. I just cannot fathom out how he won the public vote every single week bar one and those votes have not translated to sales even if they didn't like the song.

I know he has tougher competition this week and will be interesting to see how Cher and 1D fair with their next singles which both have tough competition on the week of release.
I think that it is a combination of people not liking the song and the bad press that is undermining him. Still, until we have an album sales estimate, we can't guess what his future may hold.
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Old 16-10-2011, 12:09
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March is too far away, OP. You're too kind.
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Old 16-10-2011, 12:13
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Record companies don't make much money from singles compared to albums though do they?

I also think Matt will be an albums artist. The typical Matt 'fan' won't be downloading his track off Itunes - they'll be picking up his album in Tescos/Sainsburys/Morrisons/Asda/any other supermarket when its promoted heavily in their stores. The typical album buyer who isn't really into music but impulsively buys music just from seeing someone on a TV show will probably save Matt's career, at least in the short-term.

His singles sales will continue to drop IMO 'but' it isn't the end of the world for him if he can get the 'Tesco' mob to buy his album in bucketloads. I still think he'll sell a few hundred thousand albums in the UK by the end of 2011 - its when music sales really start to increase...
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Old 16-10-2011, 12:17
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Wow there are a lot of hatred towards Matt Cardle on this forum. Like him or not, I don't get these pointless threads popping up every couple of hours.

In any case, why is this even a talking point? I am hardly surprised that the single is doing so badly. It really is a very BAD choice as his first proper single and deserves to flop based on the quality of the track. I don't really care about his personality. If I like the song I will buy it. Based on the preview, I thought the album overall is quite good and have some brilliant tracks like Stars and Lovers. I think a lot of people (like myself) will end up getting the album and just put RFYL on perpetual skip.
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Old 16-10-2011, 16:12
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Like I said in my previous post, do you have any grasp of the music industry? Be realistic - the sales market always increases at the end of the year. Last week the entire top 5 all shifted over 40k, hardly 'crap' sales. The lower top 10 were all over 30k, which again, is hardly 'crap'. If the sales from last week are similar to this week, then it's hardly crap for Matt to have first week sales of over 30k. Don't let your bias and hatred of Matt cloud your judgement, will you now..

Do you not have anything else to do rather than be so obsessive over somebody you clearly dislike?

It's not the best of songs, no, but it was hardly ever going to set the world alight - that much we can agree on. But it'd be much better to reserve judgement until after the album has dropped.

He's more of an album artist.
Whilst I don't think anyone can say anything definite either way until we find out about his album chart placement, 30k sales for an XF winner after an XF appearance and a decent (though not great) amount of promotion actually is crap. Joe managed 43k with zero promotion outside of his XF performance, and expectations for him were generally much lower than for Matt. I'm not writing Matt off entirely, but there are higher expectations for XF winners, and so far he's failed to meet them.
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Old 16-10-2011, 16:15
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Only on DS would a top 10 single (and seemingly a top 10 album) be deemed being dropped.

It's sales that count, not the chart position. People on here seem to have no clue or concept of the industry, hence why people proclaiming anything but a #1 is a fail. Use your brains - and get some perspective. He's in it for the long haul with Columbia at the very least. Don't be mad.

It's quite sad to see people willing someone to fail. Infact, it's disgusting. And it's sad at how much he's seemingly enraged people on here - I thought people knew that the media always take quotes and interviews out of context for sensationalism, but obviously not. Again, get some perspective and use your brains.

Fair enough you don't like him, but the levels of hate and willing for someone to fail is just disgraceful.

For those of you seemingly celebrating his album flopping too, I think you'll be very disappointed. None of you are music academics, so please stop acting like you all are with your 1000000 threads every few seconds about the single and album. None of you are Mystic Meg, either.
Unfortunately, Syco expects their aritsts to reach #1 with their 'debut' single and then go on to sell 300k+ copies of their debut album, anything less than that means a flop.
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Old 16-10-2011, 16:44
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The flop of Matt's first single will weaken his position with Columbia. The album will have to sell much more to compensate.

Matt is viewed as a flop because at this time he is.

Maybe the album will sell 200,000 copies by december and change him into a relative success. But if it only sells 100,000 or so then the second single may be cancelled.

Matt is, at the moment, just a failing reality show contestant. Maybe his career can be saved, but I'm sensing Syco and Columbia might not want to bother, especially if the album sells okay but not brilliant.
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Old 20-05-2012, 22:41
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I'm predicting in March
You were a few weeks too soon but good guess!
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Old 20-05-2012, 22:52
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You were a few weeks too soon but good guess!
But we don't know when this actually happened. We only know that it hit the media today. Matt had previously tweeted that there were new things in the works, and that was weeks ago. Brett could have been spot on.
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Old 20-05-2012, 22:55
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But we don't know when this actually happened. We only know that it hit the media today. Matt had previously tweeted that there were new things in the works, and that was weeks ago. Brett could have been spot on.
Very good point, at the end of the day Brett may turn out to be another Mystic Meg!
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Old 21-05-2012, 01:27
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not fast enough... they should have dropped him as soon as he started throwing the show that made famous and all his fellow contestants under the bus... arrogant .... now he can go focus on being an "artist" away from the spotlight of superstardom.
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