The Matt Cardle Appreciation Thread (Part 38)

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mitacond

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by piebaldlady:
“Cant keep me mouth shut, nothing ventured, nothing gained........rather a funny moment I dont think I hugged him, did I??? cant quite remember..............lol

Now this is what I came galloping up the street to post about........brilliant, THIS is what we want guys

Here is a tissue and a hug, I know, its all a tad odd but its nice to feel these things

AND MITA, hands off my chocolate!!!!! LOL”

LOL chocolate organic chocolate flowing lol

Cardoodle

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by wkdstepmother:
“I thought I'd drop in and give my thoughts on matters. I think the whole singer / songwriter thing is interesting . I was discussing with my sister (who has now bought the album) the problem that he has in that the XF / pop fans think he's dull and his music sucks (which tbf is a reasonable point of view if you are 17 and like Rhianna / Lady GaGa).

Unfortunately like many they think that they have a monopoly on taste and if something doesn't appeal to them it won't sell. There is no point arguing because as has already been said they move the goal posts. The fact is that none of us know whether it will be a success yet - it'll take at least 3 more weeks to know that. If it's still charting and selling by then it's got a great chance.

The other market won't entertain him because he was on the XF (my OH, my BIL and many OHs here) which makes it difficult for him to find a market. I think the choice of album songs is trying to cater to the female market as I assume they have decided that women are less likely to be effected by the anti-XF snobbery than men.

I think Matt and Columbia know this and I think the anti - Xf publicity is carefully orchestrated by the label to cut the ties because they know that long term it won't help him.

We need to separate our expectations from Matt's. He's got a top 10 single and going to have a top 2 album (probably) and even with the single sales he has; compared to where he was 18 months ago he's doing great.

I don't want to come over all Pollyanna because it's a tough industry and if Columbia decide that he cannot make the transition they want they will drop him BUT even if they do (and I don't think they will) he has a fanbase and the chance to make a career out of music which is all he ever wanted.”

I get what you're saying here Wkd..I love this album with a passion, there isn't a track I don't like except maybe RFYL (GB should have sang it himself!) .but if I was honest I think I half expected some of the tracks to be more in the style of his stuff with 7s, which would have been OK with me too... I think what I'm trying to say is..if this approach isn't as successful for him and Columbia as they would like.(and Matt has said that it would be back to the drawing board)..he is so versatile that it wouldn't be a problem to mix it up for his second album. ..Sorry if I am talking utter crap here!
All this said..this album is amazing, the lyrics pull you in his stunning voice makes you feel every word..if this isn't a mega hit then there is no justice in this world!

kazbo5771

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by Linda Shaw:
“This is my favourite vid. Not sure why it "stands out" from the rest. ”

Naughty step and its only 8.26

Cardoodle

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by Linda Shaw:
“This is my favourite vid. Not sure why it "stands out" from the rest. ”

I was thinking more of the vocal performance..but now you'point it out' ..fair comment

Room for another on the step??..it's all your fault Linda!

Dharma572

17-10-2011

Right all... I'm off for the night!!! Sharing album day with you all has been great! Bye all! Enjoy your albums!

Linda Shaw

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by spiralthreads:
“Amazinsu has blogged http://unrealityshout.com/blogs/albu...cardle-letters ”

Now Sue that's what I call a review. Going to RT it for you.

piebaldlady

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cardoodle:
“I get what you're saying here Wkd..I love this album with a passion, there isn't a track I don't like except maybe RFYL (GB should have sang it himself!) .but if I was honest I think I half expected some of the tracks to be more in the style of his stuff with 7s, which would have been OK with me too... I think what I'm trying to say is..if this approach isn't as successful for him and Columbia as they would like.(and Matt has said that it would be back to the drawing board)..he is so versatile that it wouldn't be a problem to mix it up for his second album. ..Sorry if I am talking utter crap here!
All this said..this album is amazing, the lyrics pull you in his stunning voice makes you feel every word..if this isn't a mega hit then there is no justice in this world!”

Have I just put that in bold then????

If so, I agree hon

EDIT And no I dont think you are talking utter crap

piebaldlady

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by spiralthreads:
“Amazinsu has blogged http://unrealityshout.com/blogs/albu...cardle-letters ”

Thank you

I too fear it is rather difficult to drive whilst listenin to certain tracks..........

Linda Shaw

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cardoodle:
“I was thinking more of the vocal performance..but now you'point it out' ..fair comment

Room for another on the step??..it's all your fault Linda!”

Sorry

But if you notice, I was good all weekend, no smattiness!! Very tempted after Hot Desk

but I refrained. Proud of myself.

1lennonlove

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by JaMaK:
“Hi Lennon - it was always going to be a double edged sword wasn't it - Matt knew it and we knew it, and said so during the lives, always in two minds if we wanted him to win or not. But the train turned out to be unstoppable didn't it.

btw, I apologise for not answering your q in 'the other place' but the answer is I absolutely adore John Lennon hence my somewhat negative views on the other person I mentioned lol. Anyway, I don't think I'll bother much with BJ apart from the charts info.”

Relieved to hear that about JL, cause he did want to give peace a chance and you got to love a person for giving it a go.

Never been a big fan of Paul McCartney either.

Not going to go on BJ either. Some of the neighbours a bit strange to be honest (others lovely though) Good info on the charts though.

toastedtoad

17-10-2011

Letters is now 3 on Amazon bestsellers

Cardoodle

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by spiralthreads:
“Amazinsu has blogged http://unrealityshout.com/blogs/albu...cardle-letters ”

Bloody cracking review of Letters! you have a brilliant way with words and I have to say I agree with every word, only I couldn't have worded it so effectively (despite a diploma and a nursing degree!!!)

Linda Shaw

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by piebaldlady:
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Have I just put that in bold then???? If so, I agree hon

EDIT And no I dont think you are talking utter crap”

I also wouldn't mind a bit more SS sounding songs but we know the man can do anything. I'm sure he will experiment with different styles if he feels that's the best way forward. Just love everything he does.

Linda Shaw

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by toastedtoad:
“Letters is now 3 on Amazon bestsellers ”

Whooooooooop!

JaMaK

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by wkdstepmother:
“I thought I'd drop in and give my thoughts on matters. I think the whole singer / songwriter thing is interesting . I was discussing with my sister (who has now bought the album) the problem that he has in that the XF / pop fans think he's dull and his music sucks (which tbf is a reasonable point of view if you are 17 and like Rhianna / Lady GaGa).

Unfortunately like many they think that they have a monopoly on taste and if something doesn't appeal to them it won't sell. There is no point arguing because as has already been said they move the goal posts. The fact is that none of us know whether it will be a success yet - it'll take at least 3 more weeks to know that. If it's still charting and selling by then it's got a great chance.

The other market won't entertain him because he was on the XF (my OH, my BIL and many OHs here) which makes it difficult for him to find a market. I think the choice of album songs is trying to cater to the female market as I assume they have decided that women are less likely to be effected by the anti-XF snobbery than men.

I think Matt and Columbia know this and I think the anti - Xf publicity is carefully orchestrated by the label to cut the ties because they know that long term it won't help him.

We need to separate our expectations from Matt's. He's got a top 10 single and going to have a top 2 album (probably) and even with the single sales he has; compared to where he was 18 months ago he's doing great.

I don't want to come over all Pollyanna because it's a tough industry and if Columbia decide that he cannot make the transition they want they will drop him BUT even if they do (and I don't think they will) he has a fanbase and the chance to make a career out of music which is all he ever wanted.”

I'm inclined to agree with the bolded bit WKD - I felt that was well demonstrated by the Into The Light docu, actually I think even the title was indicative of the policy you suggest (apart from the GB bits

), and the way it ended too; Matt saying something like 'that's the end of my XF journey' then doing a cut sign.

Another thing that interested me from the documentary is that it appears to put a lot of the 'blame' for RFYL on Chris Briggs, if you look carefully at the GB bit when he's talking about how Matt came to have the song and the (ahem ahem) 'synchronicity' (sp?) of it.

Can't remember who Pollyana was - sounds like you mean a pessimist? or a realist?

piebaldlady

17-10-2011

Radio2 reviewing Letters.............NOW Currently playing Walking on Water

Thank you to my OH for just phoning me!!!!!

grumpyoldbat

17-10-2011

Brilliant post. He's got a career either way. He can write and record and perform music with or without the backing of the X Factor because now he has a bigger fan base than before and a nice steady platform from which to build.

grumpyoldbat

17-10-2011

Oh and I wanted to bring this forward, because it was at the end of the last bit of the old thread.

Album downloaded from iTunes... stunning, just stunning.

Honest lyrics, gorgeous vocals, lush production.... just beautiful.

Crabbie123

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by piebaldlady:
“Radio2 reviewing Letters.............NOW Currently playing Walking on Water

Thank you to my OH for just phoning me!!!!!”

Well that was a 2 mins I wish I hadn't heard - some pompous arse going on about how Matt will never be credible...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

piebaldlady

17-10-2011

Good type of example they are saying......really soaring and heartfelt

Jo is looking forward to chatting to Matt on Thursday, face to face talking to get the facts right etc...re recent newspaper articles connected with xf/columbia

Laura_x

17-10-2011

Just poping in from the Cher Lloyd thread! (I love matt's voice) and ill like to wish him and his fans the best of luck with his album this week! Have downloaded it and really love 'Amazing' and Beat of a breaking heart'

piebaldlady

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“Well that was a 2 mins I wish I hadn't heard - some pompous arse going on about how Matt will never be credible...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”

Who the hell was that guy?

piebaldlady

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by Laura_x:
“Just poping in from the Cher Lloyd thread! (I love matt's voice) and ill like to wish him and his fans the best of luck with his album this week! Have downloaded it and really love 'Amazing' and Beat of a breaking heart' ”

Thank you for your kind words - enjoy the album

JaMaK

17-10-2011

Glad you love at least some of it Laura lol

Dare I ask if your download counted towards the charts or was it one of those 'try it out for free' sites that people on here were talking about at the w/e? Honestly, I'm just interested - no axe to grind at all

1lennonlove

17-10-2011

Originally Posted by wkdstepmother:
“
The other market won't entertain him because he was on the XF (my OH, my BIL and many OHs here) which makes it difficult for him to find a market. I think the choice of album songs is trying to cater to the female market as I assume they have decided that women are less likely to be effected by the anti-XF snobbery than men.

I think Matt and Columbia know this and I think the anti - Xf publicity is carefully orchestrated by the label to cut the ties because they know that long term it won't help him.

We need to separate our expectations from Matt's. He's got a top 10 single and going to have a top 2 album (probably) and even with the single sales he has; compared to where he was 18 months ago he's doing great.

I don't want to come over all Pollyanna because it's a tough industry and if Columbia decide that he cannot make the transition they want they will drop him BUT even if they do (and I don't think they will) he has a fanbase and the chance to make a career out of music which is all he ever wanted.”

This is interesting. Whether it is deliberate or not Matt is going to alienate X Factor devotees anyway. So often I read reviews where someone has asked Matt when is he going to record FTEISYF or NIWS, obviously this is never going to happen and Matt is going to loose these fans. The remaining fans he keeps - like this forum will hopefully be enough to sustain his career until he starts to build up a non-X Factor career.

Matt often talks about wanting to be like Will Young, who famously, politely and efficiently extracted himself from the whole Pop Idol arena. I think Matt is doing the same but unfortunately with far more fall out because X Factor is so popular and he's just a bit gobbier than Will. Maybe the MF senses this X Factor exorcism and that is why there is so much hate out there for him.

Still don't think X Factor is the place for singer/songwriters. For Cher and 1D it's perfect.

(Brief after thought re Aiden and Rebecca - maybe a good thing for them though. Why is that? Because they didn't win? Less pressure/exposure?) Now I am confusing myself.

Last edited by 1lennonlove : 17-10-2011 at 20:57

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