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Old 18-10-2011, 15:17
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So many awful posts on this topic, thought I'd share a different point of view:

1. Yes Amira was hurt and lied to, that doesn’t mean she’s justified in threatening a man with taking his child abroad and she also has no legal or moral right to insist that the father’s new partner is forbidden contact. Christian poses no threat to the child and she has no legal right to ban him from access. She’s using a child as a weapon which isn’t acceptable or even legal. Fact is, the CHILD has a right to be involved in both parent's lives regardless of their personal vendettas.

Something everyone seems to have forgotten is that feelings/personal philosophies remain separate from actions in mature adults – Amira can hurt as long and hard as she has to, but she still has to do what is legally and morally required of her.

It’s like the writers expect us to believe that any parent can forbid the other parent’s partner access to a child because they just don’t like it – and unbelievably, people on this forum appear moronic enough to buy into this storyline! Thank god the real world doesn’t work in the petty, self absorbed way that the writers are hoping we believe it does.

2. What would have been acceptable and realistic, is a one to one meeting between Syed and his child. While Christian has a right to be there, he still didn’t need to barge onto the scene straight away without even trying to repair the relationship with Amira - no one would behave so insensitively and his access to the child would have begun later on into the process. But this wouldn't have provided the senseless drama EE seems to be going after lately...

3. While Amira might be hurt, she was a fairly gentle character before all of this and wasn’t someone likely to a) hide a child for months and b) insinuate taking a child abroad (twisted blackmail - to take a child before Syed and Christian can access legal help), complete with sinister facial expressions and baddie persona! Wtf! It’s like panto!

4. While Christian does have some selfish aspects to his personality, every storyline before this one shows that he clearly loves Syed. I know that if I loved someone, I wouldn’t stand there and say “I’m worried you’ll choose your child over me” or stand firm when not allowed entry to a house, asking his partner to forgo meeting his child for the first time. He would have said “guys, we can talk about this later and maybe even talk to a solicitor, but for now Syed, you go ahead and meet your daughter (for the first time).” Any other reaction is hideous.

5. I’m so disappointed. Every interaction and proposition by the characters involved has been for the sake of meaningless drama and has ignored each character’s existing personality and history. This could have been an interesting storyline, and could have explored everyone’s feelings in a more realistic way. Instead the writers have opted to create a non-problem when there was an interesting problem to explore already, and turned half the characters into unlikeable morons. What a total waste.
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Old 18-10-2011, 15:24
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Brilliant post!
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Old 18-10-2011, 15:39
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So many awful posts on this topic, thought I'd share a different point of view:

1. Yes Amira was hurt and lied to, that doesn’t mean she’s justified in threatening a man with taking his child abroad and she also has no legal or moral right to insist that the father’s new partner is forbidden contact. Christian poses no threat to the child and she has no legal right to ban him from access. She’s using a child as a weapon which isn’t acceptable or even legal. Fact is, the CHILD has a right to be involved in both parent's lives regardless of their personal vendettas.

Something everyone seems to have forgotten is that feelings/personal philosophies remain separate from actions in mature adults – Amira can hurt as long and hard as she has to, but she still has to do what is legally and morally required of her.

It’s like the writers expect us to believe that any parent can forbid the other parent’s partner access to a child because they just don’t like it – and unbelievably, people on this forum appear moronic enough to buy into this storyline! Thank god the real world doesn’t work in the petty, self absorbed way that the writers are hoping we believe it does.

2. What would have been acceptable and realistic, is a one to one meeting between Syed and his child. While Christian has a right to be there, he still didn’t need to barge onto the scene straight away without even trying to repair the relationship with Amira - no one would behave so insensitively and his access to the child would have begun later on into the process. But this wouldn't have provided the senseless drama EE seems to be going after lately...

3. While Amira might be hurt, she was a fairly gentle character before all of this and wasn’t someone likely to a) hide a child for months and b) insinuate taking a child abroad (twisted blackmail - to take a child before Syed and Christian can access legal help), complete with sinister facial expressions and baddie persona! Wtf! It’s like panto!

4. While Christian does have some selfish aspects to his personality, every storyline before this one shows that he clearly loves Syed. I know that if I loved someone, I wouldn’t stand there and say “I’m worried you’ll choose your child over me” or stand firm when not allowed entry to a house, asking his partner to forgo meeting his child for the first time. He would have said “guys, we can talk about this later and maybe even talk to a solicitor, but for now Syed, you go ahead and meet your daughter (for the first time).” Any other reaction is hideous.

5. I’m so disappointed. Every interaction and proposition by the characters involved has been for the sake of meaningless drama and has ignored each character’s existing personality and history. This could have been an interesting storyline, and could have explored everyone’s feelings in a more realistic way. Instead the writers have opted to create a non-problem when there was an interesting problem to explore already, and turned half the characters into unlikeable morons. What a total waste.
Is Syed`s name on the birth certificate?
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Old 18-10-2011, 15:41
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Is Syed`s name on the birth certificate?
Very good question - I think the father has to be there at the time of signing, so he can't be? That could be a serious problem for Syed?
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Old 18-10-2011, 15:45
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Very good post with all very valid points.
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Old 18-10-2011, 16:00
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Fantastic post!

I've been really disappointed with the storyline so far too, especially as it's a story which does have bags of potential. But it's felt more plot-driven than character-driven so far, which is a shame.

Having said that though, I did enjoy yesterday's episode and hope that we'll start to get more emotional depth with the story that's driven from the character's rather than the plot.
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Old 18-10-2011, 16:09
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Is Syed`s name on the birth certificate?
They are married, she had no choice but put his name on the birth certificate.

I think the storyline is very plot-driven and is more about Yusef's revenge than any of the character's involved. It's disapointing.
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Old 18-10-2011, 16:13
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OP - what a wonderful, sensible, thoughtful post.

Well done.

Too many posters on other threads are taking sides - jumping in to despise one or another of the adults involved in this storyline without clearly thinking things through.

Often these posters are people with a proven history of hating that particular character, and are just taking the opportunity to stick the knife in - again - without considering the most important person in all of this, which is the child herself.
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Old 18-10-2011, 16:55
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That is all very true, unfortunately. I have been following the Christian/Syed storyline from the beginning and have enjoyed it but at the moment it is indeed being very poorly written and is just all over the place. The writers are barely even trying to get the characters behave like they realistically would. I don't even know what is happening with Masood, Zainab and Amira anymore and Christian and Syed are beginning to be just as bad. It's just not entertaining to watch something with so many errors (and that doesn't even have drama that is all that interesting anyway).
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Old 18-10-2011, 17:22
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Brilliant, well thought out post, OP. Thank you The first two paragraphs are the crux of it. People seem quite happy to cheer Amira on while she uses her daughter as blackmail against Syed to hurt him. It's not responsible behaviour, no matter how hurt she was a year ago. She needs to think of Yasmin first - they all should be.
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Old 18-10-2011, 17:30
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That is all very true, unfortunately. I have been following the Christian/Syed storyline from the beginning and have enjoyed it but at the moment it is indeed being very poorly written and is just all over the place. The writers are barely even trying to get the characters behave like they realistically would. I don't even know what is happening with Masood, Zainab and Amira anymore and Christian and Syed are beginning to be just as bad. It's just not entertaining to watch something with so many errors (and that doesn't even have drama that is all that interesting anyway).
BIB: That's just typical of EE at the moment. All of the characters are suffering from poor writing and inconsistent screentime.

I agree with the OP. The main reason I am hating this storyline is because it is so soapy and not grounded in reality at all.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:02
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Brilliant post OP. Balanced and valid points throughout.

The whole thing is extreamly plot-driven.

I miss the days of Santer and DTC. Where Christrian, Syed and Amira were involved, it was character driven throughout. Now it's more about moving from one dramatic to the next. It's less about the characters now, which is a shame because the success of the story always been because of thier story.

I'm finding it hard to care right now.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:26
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I would rather Amira had just stayed gone, she had a good exit with Julia's theme and everything.

This storyline will probably end with her trying to run Christian over, crashing into a wall and the car going up in flames. Then Syed and Christian will get custody of Yasmin. Yawn.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:33
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They are married, she had no choice but put his name on the birth certificate.

I think the storyline is very plot-driven and is more about Yusef's revenge than any of the character's involved.
It's disapointing.
Hear, hear!

eta: ciaociao, thank you for a well-thought out post It's seems at times that EE is targeting an audience of kids than informed adults
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:34
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Completly agree. Just had an 'argument' with someone who said a Mother can use her baby against the father because she wasn't technically stopping him access.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:37
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I would rather Amira had just stayed gone, she had a good exit with Julia's theme and everything.

This storyline will probably end with her trying to run Christian over, crashing into a wall and the car going up in flames. Then Syed and Christian will get custody of Yasmin. Yawn.
This is so what will happen, I'm bookmarking this page in fact because that's probably the exact plot.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:37
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They are married, she had no choice but put his name on the birth certificate.

I think the storyline is very plot-driven and is more about Yusef's revenge than any of the character's involved. It's disapointing.
Really MissLola? I've always been under the impression that both parents need to sign in order to be on the birth certificate. Surely Amira couldn't have put Syed down as the father without him being present? Blimey, if this were the case in reality people would be putting whoever took their fancy at that moment as the parent.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:44
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Really MissLola? I've always been under the impression that both parents need to sign in order to be on the birth certificate. Surely Amira couldn't have put Syed down as the father without him being present? Blimey, if this were the case in reality people would be putting whoever took their fancy at that moment as the parent.
from direct.gov.uk


Who can register the birth?

If parents are married at time of birth or conception, either the mother or father can register the birth on their own.

If they aren’t married, to ensure both parents’ details are included on the birth certificate, there are several options:

both parents can go and sign the birth register together
if one parent cannot go to the register office, they will need to complete the statutory declaration form - the parent registering the birth should give the completed form to the registrar

where there is a parental responsibility agreement in force or either parent has an appropriate court order, this can be presented at the time of registration

If the father's details are not included in the birth register, it may be possible to re-register at a later date.

If the mother or the father cannot attend, the following people can register the birth:

occupier of the house or hospital where the child was born
someone who was present at the birth
someone who is responsible for the child

edit: also
Parental responsibility
Having parental responsibility for a child means that you are legally responsible for your child's life. Married parents automatically have joint parental responsibility, but this isn't the case for unmarried parents.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:50
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Really MissLola? I've always been under the impression that both parents need to sign in order to be on the birth certificate. Surely Amira couldn't have put Syed down as the father without him being present? Blimey, if this were the case in reality people would be putting whoever took their fancy at that moment as the parent.
Yes - this is correct.

Ther father needs to be present if he's to be added to the birth certificate.

Just being married to someone isn't enough - or women who had parted from their husbands, not re-married but had children with a new partner would be forced to falsely put their 'husband's ' name down rather than their new partner, thus in effect falsifying a record.
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Old 18-10-2011, 18:52
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Yes - this is correct.

Ther father needs to be present if he's to be added to the birth certificate.

Just being married to someone isn't enough - or women who had parted from their husbands, not re-married but had children with a new partner would be forced to falsely put their 'husband's ' name down rather than their new partner, thus in effect falsifying a record.
Did you not read the above link. In fact if a woman is married to someone and has a baby by someone husband is still automatically the legal father.
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Old 18-10-2011, 19:03
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Great post, i am hating this storyline already and from the spoilers for the next few weeks its not going to improve
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Old 18-10-2011, 19:10
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Did you not read the above link. In fact if a woman is married to someone and has a baby by someone husband is still automatically the legal father.
If the father cannot be present, the mother will need to present a form signed by ther father, stating that he is the father of the child.

Similarly, if neither parent can make it to register the birth, as long as the signed statements are prepared, even a next-door-neighbour can register a birth on your behalf.

If the mother is no longer living with her husband (i.e. pending divorce, in sheltered housing following abuse, etc) she does not have to have ANYONE'S name put down as the father - or can have her current partner if she wishes - she is not 'forced' to put down the name of a man who clearly did not impregnate her just for the sake of it, because they are still married !

Otherwise we have a ludicrous situation, where husbands who are living separated form their wives end up legally (and finacially) responsible for children she has conceived by new partners.

For Syed's name to be on the birth certificate, he would have had to fill in the form (unless it was forged by Qadim or Amira herself ?) and surely if he'd completed the form, he'd have known of his daughter's existence ???
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Old 18-10-2011, 19:22
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This story has never been interesting.
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Old 18-10-2011, 19:28
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If the father cannot be present, the mother will need to present a form signed by ther father, stating that he is the father of the child.

Similarly, if neither parent can make it to register the birth, as long as the signed statements are prepared, even a next-door-neighbour can register a birth on your behalf.

If the mother is no longer living with her husband (i.e. pending divorce, in sheltered housing following abuse, etc) she does not have to have ANYONE'S name put down as the father - or can have her current partner if she wishes - she is not 'forced' to put down the name of a man who clearly did not impregnate her just for the sake of it, because they are still married !

Otherwise we have a ludicrous situation, where husbands who are living separated form their wives end up legally (and finacially) responsible for children she has conceived by new partners.

For Syed's name to be on the birth certificate, he would have had to fill in the form (unless it was forged by Qadim or Amira herself ?) and surely if he'd completed the form, he'd have known of his daughter's existence ???
They are married, his name is automatically added to the birth certificate.
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Old 18-10-2011, 19:36
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I agree with the OP especially on the fact that they are so out of character now while I can understand a change in amira I can't do the same with syed and christian. I think they started ruining them with the adoption sl when christian throw syed out of the house because he was doubtful about that project
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