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Stiggles
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by iain:
“to be fair, its difficult to look at this and not notice the similarity.

Iain”

Actually it is.

For a start whoever took that pic is not on the homescreen. That is the app drawer which of course would look similar. The homescreen is completely different with things on it you cant do with an iphone like widgets.

Secondly the buttons are a dead giveaway as is the lack of chrome round the edge.
denzil28
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“It's almost as if they regret their purchases and are trying to justify it by attacking a better product. ”

I often feel this is how Android users come across on discussions on the iphone. And you didn't do yourself or your argument any justice I'm afraid.

Your "better product" snipe is no worse than that which you were criticising in your post.

The fact is this is all very childish playground behaviour. Both form Apple, Samsung, Windows, Android during their product announcements and from the buyers bickering between them that one is better than the others.

IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE PEOPLE, THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER!!

I personally cringe when any company compares to a competitor in their product announcements. Your product should stand on it's own merits and the consumer be left to compare, not for your company to take bias swipes at your competitor for its short comings (because they will always fail to highlight what a competitor actually does better than them and so any comparisson is pointless with out equal and constructive counter balance).
slick1two
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by denzil28:
“Just because Android is apparently more advanced the ios, that does not rule out fowl play and copying in the early stages of developement. There is nothing to say that Apple didn't come up with something exactly the same as android in their developement stages but decided to can it for the more user friendly and universal appear of IOS.

Apple have always strived to have the "best" user experience/products. Not sell the most or have the fastest performance. If that means stripping out features to make it run better and accesible across products, then why wouldn't you take that business path.

I don't agree with the attidude of Steve Jobs to destroy Android as that would be no good for the consumer and freedom of choice. Without competitors producing more advanced products, you have no reason to innovate yourself if you remove all competition. There is clearly room for all phone makers and operating systems.”

Well what's the problem then?? If Iphone it meant for the mass market and has that universal appeal you talk about, why should Jobs be worried?? why should he care? If he made the best product in terms of what consumers are looking for in a phone, then you know it will sell well, so whats with the megalomania from Jobs?

If the Android target is geeks and techies and not the trendy's surely Apple should just laugh off Android.

Truth is, Android based phones actually offered the user a broader experience. Something which Apple deprived it's users of. In order to stay in the game, Jobs knew he has to bring in features that made Android a fantastic OS. It's clear to see he's spent a lot of time, ripping off Android, just look at IOS5!! Apple are not innovating, they are doing the things that they are accusing their competitors of doing. Yet others phone makers are innovating, and building around android to come up with some intuitive and awesome overlays on top of Android. Google itself has been innovating with every release of Android. IOS changed very little from one incarnation to the next. The latest build is adding more of what Android does best.

Apple need to shut the hell up about destroying other companies who are actually offering the user a decent experience and not just rehashing other ideas, and bellowing out a load of marketing slang to make it appear as though they are innovating. Sure it works for the sheep, but people are waking up.

Sour grapes from mr Jobs.
wilt
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by denzil28:
“I often feel this is how Android users come across on discussions on the iphone. And you didn't do yourself or your argument any justice I'm afraid.

Your "better product" snipe is no worse than that which you were criticising in your post.

The fact is this is all very childish playground behaviour. Both form Apple, Samsung, Windows, Android during their product announcements and from the buyers bickering between them that one is better than the others.

IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE PEOPLE, THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER!!

I personally cringe when any company compares to a competitor in their product announcements. Your product should stand on it's own merits and the consumer be left to compare, not for your company to take bias swipes at your competitor for its short comings (because they will always fail to highlight what a competitor actually does better than them and so any comparisson is pointless with out equal and constructive counter balance).”

Only Apple has been doing any swipes during product launches. They do it for phones, and they do it for their Macs. No doubt there's been a few during iPod releases too.

And lets not forget that Apple tried to cover up their Antenna mistake in iPhone 4 by trying to push the problem onto their competitors, rather than just owning up and dealing with the problem (which they did with the 4S).

If I look at the front page of the mobiles forum I can see at least two topics that have been started by iPhone users specifically to try and start some sort of flame war with Android users.

There are none by Android users.
davethorp
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by wilt:
“If I look at the front page of the mobiles forum I can see at least two topics that have been started by iPhone users specifically to try and start some sort of flame war with Android users.

There are none by Android users.”

You aren't looking hard enough then

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1558802

And then of course there is the one you just posted in
swordman
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“You aren't looking hard enough then

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1558802

And then of course there is the one you just posted in ”

Explain? this is about a quote from jobs
davethorp
21-10-2011
It's fairly obvious the purpose of this thread and the fact it's degenerated into a stupid pointless willy waving contest in less than a page backs that up
denzil28
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by wilt:
“Only Apple has been doing any swipes during product launches. They do it for phones, and they do it for their Macs. No doubt there's been a few during iPod releases too.

And lets not forget that Apple tried to cover up their Antenna mistake in iPhone 4 by trying to push the problem onto their competitors, rather than just owning up and dealing with the problem (which they did with the 4S).

If I look at the front page of the mobiles forum I can see at least two topics that have been started by iPhone users specifically to try and start some sort of flame war with Android users.

There are none by Android users.”

Of course other manufacturers do it, it's amazing what people refuse to see when they chose to give a one sided argument. Wasn't there soem Samsung phone announced this week, I definitely saw a slide in a story about their announcement showing the iphone 4S and this new phone stating the new phone was so much faster than the iphone because it was LTE or 4G compatible. That's a photo and a statement, not just a snide comment on the side.

However, I did clearly state it is wrong and rather pathetic on all parties who use this tactic. It just makes them come across as smug *****. Sadly Apple does tend to come out looking bigger and smugger ***** than the others in this area. It's almost embarassing to see it during the keynotes when Jobs made his quip and the rest of the audience would phnar phnar into their luke warm starbucks. The "if you don;t have an iphone..." adverts were an embarassment for any proud but humble Apple buyer. I didn't buy an iphone to wave it in someones face and go all Harry Enfield shouting "I think you'll find I am considerably richer than yaou!!". I bought it because I wanted it and new it suited my needs. Yes I like to take it out every now and then and show off what it can do, but when soemone shows me what their HTC can do in return I am equally impressed. Every phone does something another doesn't, we just have to live with our choice for our own needs.

I don't like to see those who seem to think buying Apple makes them better than others, because they can apparently afford it. But they are the same people who buy a BMW and wear lots of gold rings in order to display to the world that they are loaded (when in fact they work at McDonalds and claim benefits). Anything bought as a fashion item is daft in my opinion. I don't follow any trends, I just buy what I think is cool and what I can afford to own. If I can afford a £1000 TV it's because I worked hard, don't drink and don't smoke so treat myself with a big purchase once in a while. And the same goes for the majority of gadget buyers out there. Being a true gadget fan is very frustrating as there is never a right time to buy anything as you know as soon as you lay down your cash, something bigger and better is going to be announced a month later.

If we have the latest tech we should not be laughing or criticising those who haven't, we should just be getting on and enjoying our purchases.

I really am very tired of all this "willy waving" and wish it would all die down. It is completely futile and doesn't change anything. You still have your phone and I still have mine.

Edit: ooooh, the forum doesn't like swear words anymore apparently that'll teach me to type tw*t!!
wilt
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“You aren't looking hard enough then

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1558802

And then of course there is the one you just posted in ”

Oops, yeah, my bad. 2 vs. 1 then.

I wouldn't say that this thread counts - commenting on a story that is on the front page of the BBC news website is sort of what forums are for, wouldn't you agree?
davethorp
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by wilt:
“Oops, yeah, my bad. 2 vs. 1 then.

I wouldn't say that this thread counts - commenting on a story that is on the front page of the BBC news website is sort of what forums are for, wouldn't you agree?”

If the OP had started with a link to the news story and the word "discuss" I might be inclined to agree with you on that one.

However the OP posted the story and then added their own negative slant to it which is kinda waving a red flag to a bull and inviting all the pointless willy waving which has followed
wilt
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“If the OP had started with a link to the news story and the word "discuss" I might be inclined to agree with you on that one.

However the OP posted the story and then added their own negative slant to it which is kinda waving a red flag to a bull and inviting all the pointless willy waving which has followed”

Well, if that is how you start all of your topics then fair play to you.

However, I like to think that being the one to post the topic doesn't preclude you from joining in the discussion.

This news article was always going to get posted - not only is it all over every tech site out there, but it's on the front page of BBC news. I don't think anything the OP wrote would have made any difference to the direction the topic was going to take - there is a direct quote from Steve Jobs saying he wanted to destroy Android because allegedly it stole Apples ideas. It was always going to get users/fans from both sides salivating - and that was probably the intention from the moment it left Steves mouth.
davethorp
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by wilt:
“Well, if that is how you start all of your topics then fair play to you.”

I don't tend to start topics on Apple. I know how they turn out

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“However, I like to think that being the one to post the topic doesn't preclude you from joining in the discussion.”

It doesn't. Though as I said in my previous post starting a topic like this with an obvious negative slant in the OP was only going to make the thread go one way and we have enough children waving their cocks at each other in this section without adding to it

Though thinking about it even starting it with a neutral stance like simply saying discuss would probably also get the kids willy waving and that's the massive problem with this section of the forum: it is nigh on impossible to have a discussion about Apple (or Android for that matter) without some child wanting to show people their willys!
swordman
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“If the OP had started with a link to the news story and the word "discuss" I might be inclined to agree with you on that one.

However the OP posted the story

and then added their own negative slant to it which is kinda waving a red flag to a bull and inviting all the pointless willy waving which has followed”

I opened with a quote from SJ?

I am allowed to have an opinion don't hence a discussion forum. However I concedeand and will be the first to admit I have little time for apple and what they stand for and this thread illustrates my concerns. However how that can be interpreted by yourself as "I hate all apple users" is something perhaps you can expand upon?
wavejockglw
21-10-2011
What makes me laugh is that Jobs got the idea for the GUI on the original MacIntosh after he was given a demonstartion of it at Xerox PARC. He admitted on many shows that he got his team to replicate it as he was blown away with the concept.

So Jobs obviously forgot his roots when he made the swipe at the emerging competition from Google which was inevitable as Apple always have plenty of margin for others to cut to compete.
davethorp
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by swordman:
“However how that can be interpreted by yourself as "I hate all apple users" is something perhaps you can expand upon?”

I'd be all too happy to expand on it if you can point out where I've said that.

Good luck
swordman
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“I'd be all too happy to expand on it if you can point out where I've said that.

Good luck ”

"However the OP posted the story and then added their own negative slant to it which is kinda waving a red flag to a bull and inviting all the pointless willy waving which has followed"

You claimed the purpose/slant of my post was to wave a red flag at apple users, not my intent at all it was to point out the nature of apple as a company.

Unless you are saying that the very fact people have iphones they must also defend the actions of the company, are you?
alanwarwic
21-10-2011
What I find historically fascinating is that it took an operating system outsider to compete with what has become a great duopoly.
And I don't quite know how much is down to luck that Microsoft left the opportunity for Apple to expand with the iPod the way it did.

Was it an error or had they actually decided to let Apple reign supreme here? Windows mobile was never bad, just neglected.
Methinks Google's foresight simply filled that gaping hole left by Microsoft.
davethorp
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by swordman:
“"However the OP posted the story and then added their own negative slant to it which is kinda waving a red flag to a bull and inviting all the pointless willy waving which has followed"

You claimed the purpose/slant of my post was to wave a red flag at apple users, not my intent at all it was to point out the nature of apple as a company.”

Still missing the part where I stated that you were saying you hate all Apple users. Admittedly it could be buried in some very fine text that only you can read

And whether you want to admit it or not your post was like waving a red flag at a bull. Just look what happened to the thread within a few posts. The exact same thing that happens to every other thread in this section discussing Apple or Android. Whether you waived this red flag deliberately or were simply naive enough to believe that it would be possible to have a civilised discussion on this topic in this section without people on both sides resorting to willy waving I don't know

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“Unless you are saying that the very fact people have iphones they must also defend the actions of the company, are you?”

And its statements like this that actually lean me towards the former of the two options mentioned in the last paragraph as I said nothing of the sort (unless again concealed in very small text that only you can read )
swordman
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“Still missing the part where I stated that you were saying you hate all Apple users. Admittedly it could be buried in some very fine text that only you can read

And whether you want to admit it or not your post was like waving a red flag at a bull. Just look what happened to the thread within a few posts. The exact same thing that happens to every other thread in this section discussing Apple or Android. Whether you waived this red flag deliberately or were simply naive enough to believe that it would be possible to have a civilised discussion on this topic in this section without people on both sides resorting to willy waving I don't know



And its statements like this that actually lean me towards the former of the two options mentioned in the last paragraph as I said nothing of the sort (unless again concealed in very small text that only you can read )”

well if you consider the purpose of my post was to wave a red flag it is implicit that you consider I have contempt/hatred/desire to deride apple users first and foremost and that was the sole purpose of my post.

if you had said this thread would result in this kind of debate despite any original purpose that may have been a valid point.

As to the last statement it does seem to be logical given your stance that you feel any criticism of apple is a direct affront to you and/or iphone users. however i am sure there are plenty of iphone users unlike yourself who can see beyond your own blinkered view and consider the merits of Mr jobs stance/quote on its own merits.
Biffo the Bear
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by BT@home:
“That's clearly been misquoted ....

It should have said "I'm going to destroy Android mwahahaha, muwhahaha"”

More like "It's not fair that Android sells more waaahhhhh waahhhhhh"
davethorp
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by swordman:
“however i am sure there are plenty of iphone users unlike yourself who can see beyond your own blinkered view and consider the merits of Mr jobs stance/quote on its own merits.”

You've actually made the sole purpose of your post pretty clear now with that comment (especially when I've actually posted no views blinkered or otherwise on Apple to this thread (unless again in very small text only you can see) and have merely commented on the willy waving) and to be quite frank I have no wish to further feed a troll so will bow out now and leave you to the willy waving you've caused
call100
21-10-2011
The sad thing is that those in both camps arguing passionately about nothing are all victims of great marketing.....Nothing else.
swordman
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by davethorp:
“You've actually made the sole purpose of your post pretty clear now with that comment (especially when I've actually posted no views blinkered or otherwise on Apple to this thread (unless again in very small text only you can see) and have merely commented on the willy waving) and to be quite frank I have no wish to further feed a troll so will bow out now and leave you to the willy waving you've caused ”

Thanks I would grateful for no further comments from you, there might actually be some views that mean something now.
swordman
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by call100:
“The sad thing is that those in both camps arguing passionately about nothing are all victims of great marketing.....Nothing else.”

Unless SJ had his way and there would be no marketing as no competition would exist.
Firmy1
21-10-2011
Apple user? Android users? Why don't you all just call yourselves mobile users and stop being pillocks?
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