The guy who brought the concept of Android to Google was close friends with Steve and worked at Apple before he left to Google. Whilst being involved in the process of getting Android off the ground. That is what he is on about not the look, or the GUI specifically. The concept was being stolen just as it came out, that is what was livid about. By the way this comment was awhile ago!
Jobs "I will destroy android"
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Originally Posted by slick1two:
“That's nothing to do with Android. That's Samsung's own skinning on top of the Android OS. Like what HTC does with it's phones. Android is not responsible for creating Touchwiz, which is what is used on samsung phones.”
“That's nothing to do with Android. That's Samsung's own skinning on top of the Android OS. Like what HTC does with it's phones. Android is not responsible for creating Touchwiz, which is what is used on samsung phones.”
sorry - my bad - wrong lawsuit.
I'll get my coat.
Iain
Originally Posted by OnlyWayIsEpics:
“Other than they are both mobile phones? I notice also the screenshots on the phones have been deliberately chosen to increase the similarity. Using the homescreen of both (a more natural choice) wouldn't have made them look as similar though.
But what, they're both touchscreen smartphones, once you've wacked a big screen on the front how much can you do with the cm of plastic around it that is 'original'.
Maybe you were expecting the Samsung to be hexagonal in shape and use wood instead of glass for the screen or something
”
“Other than they are both mobile phones? I notice also the screenshots on the phones have been deliberately chosen to increase the similarity. Using the homescreen of both (a more natural choice) wouldn't have made them look as similar though.
But what, they're both touchscreen smartphones, once you've wacked a big screen on the front how much can you do with the cm of plastic around it that is 'original'.
Maybe you were expecting the Samsung to be hexagonal in shape and use wood instead of glass for the screen or something
”
oh come on!
they're not just two (random) phones, they're two very similar looking phones.
and it's more to do with what's on the screen and how it's laid out than the size of the screen or what it's made of.
plenty of phones had, after all, managed not to look like that before the iPhone came along.
Iain
Originally Posted by iain:
“oh come on!
they're not just two (random) phones, they're two very similar looking phones.
and it's more to do with what's on the screen and how it's laid out than the size of the screen or what it's made of.
plenty of phones had, after all, managed not to look like that before the iPhone came along.
Iain”
“oh come on!
they're not just two (random) phones, they're two very similar looking phones.
and it's more to do with what's on the screen and how it's laid out than the size of the screen or what it's made of.
plenty of phones had, after all, managed not to look like that before the iPhone came along.
Iain
”
LOL ok...explain this then....released in December 2006 before the iPhone
The fact is, that photo is totally misleading. The image shown on the Galaxy S is NOT the homescreen therefore it's completely invalid. The homescreen on the Galaxy S looks noticeably different to the iPhone homescreen except for the 4 icons at the bottom, there is no grid of icons.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“LOL ok...explain this then....released in December 2006 before the iPhone
The fact is, that photo is totally misleading. The image shown on the Galaxy S is NOT the homescreen therefore it's completely invalid. The homescreen on the Galaxy S looks noticeably different to the iPhone homescreen except for the 4 icons at the bottom, there is no grid of icons.”
“LOL ok...explain this then....released in December 2006 before the iPhone
The fact is, that photo is totally misleading. The image shown on the Galaxy S is NOT the homescreen therefore it's completely invalid. The homescreen on the Galaxy S looks noticeably different to the iPhone homescreen except for the 4 icons at the bottom, there is no grid of icons.”
The irony is that the point you are making, although correct, actually makes Samsung look worse.
The images are official Samsung marketing images of the Galaxy S. The fact that they chose to make the Galaxy S look like the iPhone in their official marketing images really says everything that needs to be said.
My take on it, was that Jobs believed only Apple should be the ones who were able to offer a solid, touch based interface on a smartphone. As far as Jobs saw it, the mere idea of having a touch screen smart phone belonged to him, and anybody else who produced one was stealing "his ideas".
Let's forget for a moment that a lot of the idea Steve had fell in love with, were really the ideas of other, much smarter people.
It wasn't the underlying technology that Apple were fighting against, it was the right to have a good end-user experience. If you look at a lot of the touch screen offering that started appearing after the iPhone, they were absolutely shit. My wife asked for a little Samsung touchscreen phone in 2009, and it was just an unresponsive, horrible piece of junk.
Then Android comes along. At first it lacks a lot of things, but is has potential. And even better, it's designed to run on any handset that fits the reference spec.
So its easy to use, offers a good solid end-user experience. Jobs saw this as competition, and he realized that it was the Apple Mac versus PC's all over again.
He lost the first round because over-priced hardware with limited or poor functionality, couldn't compete against a multitude of much cheaper hardware choices, running a single OS.
No wonder he was so livid. He saw the writing on the wall for his grand dream of dominating the smartphone business.
Ideas are nothing. Execution is everything. It's a shame he didn't learn that when he was first chucked out of Apple.
Let's forget for a moment that a lot of the idea Steve had fell in love with, were really the ideas of other, much smarter people.
It wasn't the underlying technology that Apple were fighting against, it was the right to have a good end-user experience. If you look at a lot of the touch screen offering that started appearing after the iPhone, they were absolutely shit. My wife asked for a little Samsung touchscreen phone in 2009, and it was just an unresponsive, horrible piece of junk.
Then Android comes along. At first it lacks a lot of things, but is has potential. And even better, it's designed to run on any handset that fits the reference spec.
So its easy to use, offers a good solid end-user experience. Jobs saw this as competition, and he realized that it was the Apple Mac versus PC's all over again.
He lost the first round because over-priced hardware with limited or poor functionality, couldn't compete against a multitude of much cheaper hardware choices, running a single OS.
No wonder he was so livid. He saw the writing on the wall for his grand dream of dominating the smartphone business.
Ideas are nothing. Execution is everything. It's a shame he didn't learn that when he was first chucked out of Apple.
it is the vitriol he obviously attacked android with that I find disturbing. His thermonuclear willingness to spend every penny to break a competitor does not seem balanced. Whether that was him or more apple in general don't know but I say thank god apple never got total dominance of this market.
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“.........
I guess Jobs should have spent the 40 billion finding a cure for his cancer! Karma, ain't it a bitch, Steve!”
“.........
I guess Jobs should have spent the 40 billion finding a cure for his cancer! Karma, ain't it a bitch, Steve!”
I hope you feel ashamed of this part of your comment.
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas" said Google. Actually I was kidding, that one was Jobs as well
Originally Posted by Roush:
“The irony is that the point you are making, although correct, actually makes Samsung look worse.
The images are official Samsung marketing images of the Galaxy S. The fact that they chose to make the Galaxy S look like the iPhone in their official marketing images really says everything that needs to be said.”
“The irony is that the point you are making, although correct, actually makes Samsung look worse.
The images are official Samsung marketing images of the Galaxy S. The fact that they chose to make the Galaxy S look like the iPhone in their official marketing images really says everything that needs to be said.”
Actually they aren't. These were the images Samsung used to promote the Galaxy S.
That comparison image only makes Apple look bad and not really anyone else. The very fact that they compared a homescreen to an app drawer, AND shrunk the size of the Galaxy S in that particular image to make it look even more like an iPhone shows that they were resorting to dirty tricks against the competition in a bid to damage them.
The Galaxy S has a four inch screen and is taller than the iPhone, so why in the image is it exactly the same height? You are just falling for exactly what Apple wanted you to.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Actually they aren't. These were the images Samsung used to promote the Galaxy S.
That comparison image only makes Apple look bad and not really anyone else. The very fact that they compared a homescreen to an app drawer, AND shrunk the size of the Galaxy S in that particular image to make it look even more like an iPhone shows that they were resorting to dirty tricks against the competition in a bid to damage them.
The Galaxy S has a four inch screen and is taller than the iPhone, so why in the image is it exactly the same height? You are just falling for exactly what Apple wanted you to.”
“Actually they aren't. These were the images Samsung used to promote the Galaxy S.
That comparison image only makes Apple look bad and not really anyone else. The very fact that they compared a homescreen to an app drawer, AND shrunk the size of the Galaxy S in that particular image to make it look even more like an iPhone shows that they were resorting to dirty tricks against the competition in a bid to damage them.
The Galaxy S has a four inch screen and is taller than the iPhone, so why in the image is it exactly the same height? You are just falling for exactly what Apple wanted you to.”
Get your facts straight. This image is from the Galaxy S launch event. The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen, by doing a simple image search on Google.
Samsung were blatantly attempting to imitate the iPhone in some of the marketing materials for the Galaxy S and, unsurprisingly, Apple took exception to that.
You seem to have been sucked in by the anti-Apple brigade. It's good idea to look at facts yourself rather than to just jump on a bandwagon.
edit: Here is a photo of the box the Galaxy S came in, in some markets. Does the picture on the box look familiar?
Originally Posted by Roush:
“Get your facts straight. This image is from the Galaxy S launch event. The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen, by doing a simple image search on Google.
Samsung were blatantly attempting to imitate the iPhone in some of the marketing materials for the Galaxy S and, unsurprisingly, Apple took exception to that.
You seem to have been sucked in by the anti-Apple brigade. It's good idea to look at facts yourself rather than to just jump on a bandwagon.
edit: Here is a photo of the box the Galaxy S came in, in some markets. Does the picture on the box look familiar?”
“Get your facts straight. This image is from the Galaxy S launch event. The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen, by doing a simple image search on Google.
Samsung were blatantly attempting to imitate the iPhone in some of the marketing materials for the Galaxy S and, unsurprisingly, Apple took exception to that.
You seem to have been sucked in by the anti-Apple brigade. It's good idea to look at facts yourself rather than to just jump on a bandwagon.
edit: Here is a photo of the box the Galaxy S came in, in some markets. Does the picture on the box look familiar?”
I'm in no way defending Samsung. Imo they are the WORST Android OEM by far, and they are actually damaging the OS's reputation.
Just look at this...
My point was that, ok Samsung may have used that image, but Apple deliberately resized the image for their own benefit and that is what I do not like.
Originally Posted by Roush:
“The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen by doing a simple image search on Google.”
“The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen by doing a simple image search on Google.”
It is indeed and it crops up in a lot of places, though it doesn't quite explain why the Samsung image was scaled to have the exact same dimensions as the iPhone. It also is beyond me why Samsung would even bother trying to imitate the iOS style - which, let's be honest, they have done - when the whole point of being able to customise Android is to make it stand out from the crowd, not blend in with it. But this is definitely a Samsung issue, and that particular phone - feel free to compare this Samsung phone with the iPhone...
Back on topic, I'm not sure it's worth getting worked up over a deliberately sensationalist, out-of-context quote that has surfaced with the sole intention of shifting a few copies of Jobs' autobiography. Was Jobs walking around in his last days as CEO vowing to invest $40m in destroying Android? Highly unlikely. Did he on a couple of occasions, probably when pissed off about something (perhaps Android sales figures), spit that quote out? Possibly. I'm sure few CEOs haven't said similar.
I'm pretty sure that even the most ardent Apple user would readily admit that iOS 5 wouldn't be nearly as good as it currently is if Android hadn't forced Apple to step up their game. And there isn't (or shouldn't be) an Android user on this planet who thinks that it would have sold any more than about five phones if it weren't for the iPhone. Let's face it, Android hasn't just had a massive overhaul in the form of Ice Cream Sandwich for no reason - it needed to shed its clunky look to compete properly against iOS. Both need each other, and whilst it certainly used to be the case that it was the evangelical (large minority of) Apple users that pissed people off on forums with their canned, cultish statements like "it just works" or "Android is for people who can't afford an iPhone", it has been saddening to see that recently it seems to be we Android users that are arguing most petulantly.
Originally Posted by Stiggles;537*****:
“An iOS clone lmao
So what is iOS5 now then? Silly fool he was. A genius fool i may add.”
“An iOS clone lmao
So what is iOS5 now then? Silly fool he was. A genius fool i may add.”
iOS is a clone of Symbian OS. That looks like an old fashioned iOS. I don't see how they seem to think Android has ripped them off.
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“You could argue he stole the design/idea of the original IPod from the British inventor who patented the idea/design!
I guess Jobs should have spent the 40 billion finding a cure for his cancer! Karma, ain't it a bitch, Steve!”
“You could argue he stole the design/idea of the original IPod from the British inventor who patented the idea/design!
I guess Jobs should have spent the 40 billion finding a cure for his cancer! Karma, ain't it a bitch, Steve!”
I think you will find the iPod was not the first hard drive music player on the market. Creative's Nomad came before it. I grant you it was the size of a house, but yet again it is another Apple product that people seem to think was a wonderful blue-sky-thinking invention that no one else had done before.
Tablets were around years before the iPad, and around 3 or so years prior to the iPad they 'almost' made it mainstream, manufactured tried pushing them but they didn't catch on. It didn't have a fruit logo on it so no one bought it.
Steve Jobs was an improver, not an inventor.
He made existing devices 'better'.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“LOL ok...explain this then....released in December 2006 before the iPhone”
“LOL ok...explain this then....released in December 2006 before the iPhone
”
sorry, did I say no phones? I meant to say plenty of phones.
Quote:
“The fact is, that photo is totally misleading. The image shown on the Galaxy S is NOT the homescreen therefore it's completely invalid. The homescreen on the Galaxy S looks noticeably different to the iPhone homescreen except for the 4 icons at the bottom, there is no grid of icons.”
“The fact is, that photo is totally misleading. The image shown on the Galaxy S is NOT the homescreen therefore it's completely invalid. The homescreen on the Galaxy S looks noticeably different to the iPhone homescreen except for the 4 icons at the bottom, there is no grid of icons.”
so is that any screen on the GS? or had it been photoshopped?
if its been photoshopped, why were Samsung using it in their ad campaigns?
do you think it was Samsung's intention to mislead people?
Iain
Originally Posted by swordman:
“it is the vitriol he obviously attacked android with that I find disturbing. His thermonuclear willingness to spend every penny to break a competitor does not seem balanced. Whether that was him or more apple in general don't know but I say thank god apple never got total dominance of this market.”
“it is the vitriol he obviously attacked android with that I find disturbing. His thermonuclear willingness to spend every penny to break a competitor does not seem balanced. Whether that was him or more apple in general don't know but I say thank god apple never got total dominance of this market.”
I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager he wouldn't actually, literally have used Apple cash to develop nukes to drop on Android HQ.
Iain
Originally Posted by Roush:
“Get your facts straight. This image is from the Galaxy S launch event. The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen, by doing a simple image search on Google.
Samsung were blatantly attempting to imitate the iPhone in some of the marketing materials for the Galaxy S and, unsurprisingly, Apple took exception to that.
You seem to have been sucked in by the anti-Apple brigade. It's good idea to look at facts yourself rather than to just jump on a bandwagon.
edit: Here is a photo of the box the Galaxy S came in, in some markets. Does the picture on the box look familiar?”
“Get your facts straight. This image is from the Galaxy S launch event. The image on screen is clearly the same one that gets compared to the iPhone. It is an official Samsung marketing image and can be found, along with other variants also showing that screen, by doing a simple image search on Google.
Samsung were blatantly attempting to imitate the iPhone in some of the marketing materials for the Galaxy S and, unsurprisingly, Apple took exception to that.
You seem to have been sucked in by the anti-Apple brigade. It's good idea to look at facts yourself rather than to just jump on a bandwagon.
edit: Here is a photo of the box the Galaxy S came in, in some markets. Does the picture on the box look familiar?”
and it's the image that was used on billboards and bus shelter ads wherever you went.
Iain
Originally Posted by iain:
“I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager he wouldn't actually, literally have used Apple cash to develop nukes to drop on Android HQ.
Iain”
“I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager he wouldn't actually, literally have used Apple cash to develop nukes to drop on Android HQ.
Iain”
Don't be so nieve apple have nuclear weapons trained on all android manufacturers and trained assassination squads for the moment their market share reaches 60%. Obviously this will be blamed upon a foreign power or RIM.
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“You could argue he stole the design/idea of the original IPod from the British inventor who patented the idea/design!
I guess Jobs should have spent the 40 billion finding a cure for his cancer! Karma, ain't it a bitch, Steve!”
“You could argue he stole the design/idea of the original IPod from the British inventor who patented the idea/design!
I guess Jobs should have spent the 40 billion finding a cure for his cancer! Karma, ain't it a bitch, Steve!”
Yeah its unbelievable that this bloke in a turtleneck is revered as a genius when in fact he had nothing to do with the designs or innovations and it was just a backroom engineer/designer from Britain who didnt want the spotlight!
All he was, was a spokesman!
And you're right about Karma! All the negativity energy he had for Android should have been redirected elsewhere!
iPhone...doesnt have an app for pancreatic cancer does it, Steve?
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Actually they aren't. These were the images Samsung used to promote the Galaxy S.
That comparison image only makes Apple look bad and not really anyone else. The very fact that they compared a homescreen to an app drawer, AND shrunk the size of the Galaxy S in that particular image to make it look even more like an iPhone shows that they were resorting to dirty tricks against the competition in a bid to damage them.
The Galaxy S has a four inch screen and is taller than the iPhone, so why in the image is it exactly the same height? You are just falling for exactly what Apple wanted you to.”
“Actually they aren't. These were the images Samsung used to promote the Galaxy S.
That comparison image only makes Apple look bad and not really anyone else. The very fact that they compared a homescreen to an app drawer, AND shrunk the size of the Galaxy S in that particular image to make it look even more like an iPhone shows that they were resorting to dirty tricks against the competition in a bid to damage them.
The Galaxy S has a four inch screen and is taller than the iPhone, so why in the image is it exactly the same height? You are just falling for exactly what Apple wanted you to.”
Yes, like apple did with the galaxy tablet pictures! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14542200
It is rather disturbing what apple will do to stifle competition!!
Originally Posted by iain:
“sorry, did I say no phones? I meant to say plenty of phones.
so is that any screen on the GS? or had it been photoshopped?
if its been photoshopped, why were Samsung using it in their ad campaigns?
do you think it was Samsung's intention to mislead people?
Iain”
“sorry, did I say no phones? I meant to say plenty of phones.
so is that any screen on the GS? or had it been photoshopped?
if its been photoshopped, why were Samsung using it in their ad campaigns?
do you think it was Samsung's intention to mislead people?
Iain”
Mislead people into what? Only a compete numpty would be confused. They look completely different.
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“I hope IOS beats Android.
Andorid is poor.”
“I hope IOS beats Android.
Andorid is poor.”
Well, I've now seen the light after that insightful and constructive comment. I will immediately cease my research into the Galaxy Nexus and order an iPhone 4S.
Is it worth asking you to justify why Android is "poor", or are we just going to get a "because it just is" argument?
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“Well, I've now seen the light after that insightful and constructive comment. I will immediately cease my research into the Galaxy Nexus and order an iPhone 4S.
Is it worth asking you to justify why Android is "poor", or are we just going to get a "because it just is" argument?”
“Well, I've now seen the light after that insightful and constructive comment. I will immediately cease my research into the Galaxy Nexus and order an iPhone 4S.
Is it worth asking you to justify why Android is "poor", or are we just going to get a "because it just is" argument?”
Hes just trolling. I foresee him being the next apple nut to bite the bullet here.
Doesn't matter anyway really as sales are speaking for themselves.
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