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Old 24-09-2004, 22:44
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No, you say. Well read and you'll realise. Which was better?

2002 to present
Ridiculous 'Shannis' creates a Teen craze, Dennis Rickman involved in practically everything and used as totty for the show and not much else. Dirty Den returns in a farcical way to boost viewing figures and has since got on everybody's nerves. Alfie Moon arrives with family and sends more teens crazy over Kat and Alfie's relationship. Older viewers are replaced by tweenies. Kat and Alfie get boring. Kat and Alfie finish. Shannis ends when Dennis and Zoe go out. Teens lose interest. BOOM figures are falling, everything's going wrong. Ferreira's introduced along the line. Complete flop, crappy kidney storyline. Helter Skelter 'Disaster' aimed at boosting ratings, all we see is some cardboard collapse and it's cleaned up in a few days. Falling. State of decline! falling, falling. Rock bottom.

The Post 2002 Era
The Slaters arrive, feisty. Kat/Zoe 'you aint my mother' captivating television. 'Who Shot Phil' creates a media frenzy with the climatic ending drawing huge numbers. Little Mo's terror with Trevor Morgan makes for gripping TV, with his abuse making him UK's Most Hated. His dead along with Sharon's love, Tom, is brilliant. Further back, Phil and Grant are dominating Walford, and in the end an affair rips them apart and they end up in a car, which flies into the Thames - high drama, superb. Steve and Mel's relationship, brilliant - Steve's exit, high, explosive drama and Tamzin Outhwaite's exit was absolutely terrific. Laura and Janine's bitch fights - hilarious! EastEnders is top of the ratings, everyone's talking about it.
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Old 24-09-2004, 22:46
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woooohh! Kathleen Hutchison take note! i think you've just put into words what the rest of us were thinking!!!
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Old 24-09-2004, 22:49
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I liked the introduction of both Dennis and Alfie to EE, but I'll agree that the obsession of "Shannis" and what I read being called "Kalfie" on the BBC boards once has meant older viewers get put off. I agree with everything else and that the drama has been lost in EE and been replaced by sensationalisation. Maybe with the introduction of a new producer, then EE can get back to the drama it was good at.
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Old 24-09-2004, 22:49
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Thank you. If you look at it that way, those who say "at least LB gave us Alfie" or whatever can be shown up.
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Old 24-09-2004, 22:56
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I think if Den had returned at any time pre-2002 then I think they may have gotten away with it.

The Ferreira's didn't work, I feel, because there were two many of them 4 plus Tariq, Maybe if they had a full time mother there then they may have come across better.

But I think the problem with all these characters were that LB let them completely take over the show and forced the likes of Pat to the background and killing off characters like Roy to make way for them was a big mistake.
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Old 24-09-2004, 23:12
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I certainly agree that the introduction of the Ferrieras was a major disaster but how could you blame Dennis for things going wrong! He has hardly featured in this week's episodes and the week has been dull and boring on the whole. Dennis has not been given the strongest lines but the on-going affair with Sharon had me watching with anticipation! Admittedly it could have been made far more explosive but that's not Dennis's fault.
Alfie and Kat have had their moments but it is so tedious reading about their private lives in the Press and I just get sick of hearing their names.
I think Mickey, Juley, Spencer and the wingeing Vicky have done far more to damage the programme.
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Old 24-09-2004, 23:17
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Both Dennis and Alfie are two of the very few bright spots in Eastenders. All these threads about the programme are getting monotonous.
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Old 25-09-2004, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Ridget

The Post 2002 Era
The Slaters arrive, feisty. Kat/Zoe 'you aint my mother' captivating television. 'Who Shot Phil' creates a media frenzy with the climatic ending drawing huge numbers. Little Mo's terror with Trevor Morgan makes for gripping TV, with his abuse making him UK's Most Hated. His dead along with Sharon's love, Tom, is brilliant. Further back, Phil and Grant are dominating Walford, and in the end an affair rips them apart and they end up in a car, which flies into the Thames - high drama, superb. Steve and Mel's relationship, brilliant - Steve's exit, high, explosive drama and Tamzin Outhwaite's exit was absolutely terrific. Laura and Janine's bitch fights - hilarious! EastEnders is top of the ratings, everyone's talking about it.
All of these things happened AFTER 2002? That sounds pretty good. I'll have to tune in some time.
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Old 25-09-2004, 05:19
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Obviously he got Post mixed up with pre! Simple mistake, thats all. LOL.
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Old 25-09-2004, 08:57
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Oops. lol.

The reason Dennis and Alfie have ruined it is because they've been allowed to become bigger than the show.
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Old 25-09-2004, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Ridget
The reason Dennis and Alfie have ruined it is because they've been allowed to become bigger than the show.
Fair point.
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Old 25-09-2004, 09:25
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If the other characters were equal to them, they might be OK, but we already know Shane is on a huge salary and the tweenies being obsessed with Kalfie and Shannis has made the show focuss on them and only them, and also driven older viewers away in return for teens who get bored easily.
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Old 25-09-2004, 15:01
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Originally Posted by ArtyAttack
Both Dennis and Alfie are two of the very few bright spots in Eastenders. All these threads about the programme are getting monotonous.
I agree entirely.. And just because Shannis and er.. Kalfie are irritating, doesn't mean the characters aren't worthwhile. In the hands of more capable writers, they could be dealt the storylines they deserve.
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Old 25-09-2004, 15:15
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Steve and Mel's relationship, brilliant - Steve's exit, high, explosive drama and Tamzin Outhwaite's exit was absolutely terrific.
You are spot on there. Though I thought they should have left togther with Steve ALIVE, it was still excellent viewing.

Watching the repeats on UKGold, it's scary to see how far the show has falllen in 3 short years....
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Old 25-09-2004, 15:23
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I agree with you on the Ferreiras and Dirty Den, but not on Dennis and Alfie. I think Dennis and Alfie are excllent characters and its the storylines they have been given which drag the programme down. I'm actually starting to warm to Kareena a bit since she came back as well- for the fact she's being given 'better' storylines.
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Old 25-09-2004, 16:09
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what time is ee on ukgold every time i watch its either the bill or holby or casualty or on the weekend porridge

i havnt seen it for ages
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Old 25-09-2004, 16:29
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Originally Posted by Ridget

The reason Dennis and Alfie have ruined it is because they've been allowed to become bigger than the show.
Took the words out of my mouth......Nothing can be bigger then the show, nothing!
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Old 25-09-2004, 16:48
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Originally Posted by lichfield_bluenose
what time is ee on ukgold every time i watch its either the bill or holby or casualty or on the weekend porridge

i havnt seen it for ages
Weekdays at 8:25am or 12:40pm, or you can catch the repeats an hour later on UKGold+1.
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Old 25-09-2004, 16:59
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Well done Ridget, the post 2002 era was spot on, fantastic and proper "explosive" storylines and some decent characters.
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Old 25-09-2004, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Ridget
The reason Dennis and Alfie have ruined it is because they've been allowed to become bigger than the show.
They've been expected to carry the show, as they're the only little projects of LB's, which haven't crashed and burned. The characters became very high-profile over a short period of time due to the fact they were dealt the meatiest plots deliberately IMO.
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Old 25-09-2004, 17:05
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The Sharon and Dennis storyline is ridiculous but I wouldn't say either of these characters or actors ruin the show perse. Likewise, Den Watts and the Ferreiras (now that the annoying father has been got rid of). Kat was a great character to begin with and I thought the unlikely pairing of her and Dr Trueman was lovely but Alfie is just an aggravating character played by a pretty dire actor. As to how someone with all the sex appeal of a tellytubby has been voted sexiest man over the past couple of years, don't even get me started.
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Old 25-09-2004, 17:23
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I wouldn't say Alfie and Dennis ruined the how...........Its is more the way the writers and producers choose to use them.

Alfie was only lovable when he was a single man flirting around...........But they decided to introduce his family members and made him more into a Dad with responsiblities. And that just doesn't bide well with his free loving, 'live life to the end' attitude he had before the terrible Spencer and Nana Moon came along. And i think they married off Kat and Alfie too quickly. They should've let them go out with eachother for a while then let them hitch up. Now all Kat and Alfie do is moan, kiss and make up then moan again, then cry......then split.......then moan......then spilt.

And as for Dennis, they totally ruined his "bad boy" image by teaming him up with his Step Sister to please the "easy-to-please" teens. That for me ruined his character to the core, it made him look so soft that when he finally had to act tough, his character just looked so stupid and fake.

For me Dennis and Dot's 'Mother and son' relationship is far more interesting, intimate and belivable then Shannis. This is because, lets face it nearly all gangsta-bad-men love their mothers don't they? I mean just look at the Kray brothers, they practically worshipped their mother. And the fact that Dennis never really got any attention from his own Mother and Dot really never had a child that loved her..........They both seem to adopt eachother so to speak.

It's those little intimate, realistic storylines involving the characters that really makes a soap worth watching........Not all this sensational affairs and blow-up cars etc etc. It is those little things that really count!
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Old 25-09-2004, 17:33
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Originally Posted by lala
before the terrible Spencer and Nana Moon came along.
How can you find Nana Moon terrible? She's just under-used.. if they gave her more screentime she wouldn't be so pointless, and since she's well-acted and likeable, I think she could become a favourite very quickly.

Originally Posted by lala
For me Dennis and Dot's 'Mother and son' relationship is far more interesting, intimate and belivable then Shannis. This is because, lets face it nearly all gangsta-bad-men love their mothers don't they? I mean just look at the Kray brothers, they practically worshipped their mother. And the fact that Dennis never really got any attention from his own Mother and Dot really never had a child that loved her..........They both seem to adopt eachother so to speak.
Absolutely agree.. Dennis and Dot's relationship has been developed much more impressively.
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Old 25-09-2004, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Garbage
How can you find Nana Moon terrible? She's just under-used.. if they gave her more screentime she wouldn't be so pointless, and since she's well-acted and likeable, I think she could become a favourite very quickly.
Nah she annoys me beyond believe.........Goodness she annoys me so much i feel the need to do a "Lil Mo" and whack her over the head with an Iron! Actually maybe not an Iron.......Maybe something smaller like a milk bottle.

Infact theres loads of characters in EE at the moment that i feel the need to whack them....or just stab them to death!



Lol, i hope EE hires me to be the one who finally runs over Den Watts!

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Old 25-09-2004, 18:26
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The Post 2002 Era
The Slaters arrive, feisty. Kat/Zoe 'you aint my mother' captivating television. 'Who Shot Phil' creates a media frenzy with the climatic ending drawing huge numbers. Little Mo's terror with Trevor Morgan makes for gripping TV, with his abuse making him UK's Most Hated. His dead along with Sharon's love, Tom, is brilliant. Further back, Phil and Grant are dominating Walford, and in the end an affair rips them apart and they end up in a car, which flies into the Thames - high drama, superb. Steve and Mel's relationship, brilliant - Steve's exit, high, explosive drama and Tamzin Outhwaite's exit was absolutely terrific. Laura and Janine's bitch fights - hilarious! EastEnders is top of the ratings, everyone's talking about it.
Yes, they were good times for Eastenders, great viewing.
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