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I think Len is playing a clever game here with Harry in this case. As Harry is very competitive, with Len's comments about "that would've been a 10 if it wasn't for"...etc will play on Harry's mind and make him possibly ask Aliona to give more 'straight' to the rules choreo instead of faffing or at least make him have doubts about her choreo (if he isn't already doing so).
Harry will want those 10's and he knows with Aliona's choreo he's very unlikely to get one from Len You can see that Harry does listen to the judges and imo has some concern that Aliona may damage his chances (I'm not saying they don't get on etc, but as demonstrated imo by the fact he shushed her, when she was going to defend herself after Len criticised her choreo and him immdeiately trying to cover her flippant remarks on ITT etc) you can clearly see he's aware it could be detrimental to him. |
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I dont get it, they was on the step for no more than ten seconds
Holly spent all her time dancing around the poleRussel spent half the time in bed Lula spent more time on the stairs than Harry and Aliona I dont see them lot getting bitched about |
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Shame Len didnt pick up Brendan and Erin for using the stairs
I dont like the fact he always picks on Aliona.There is still too much faffing about for me for all the pros, but they have obviously been told to "up" the entertainment factor. I hope next series we can have a return to technique, I live in hope
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I think Len is playing a clever game here with Harry in this case. As Harry is very competitive, with Len's comments about "that would've been a 10 if it wasn't for"...etc will play on Harry's mind and make him possibly ask Aliona to give more 'straight' to the rules choreo instead of faffing or at least make him have doubts about her choreo (if he isn't already doing so).
Harry will want those 10's and he knows with Aliona's choreo he's very unlikely to get one from Len You can see that Harry does listen to the judges and imo has some concern that Aliona may damage his chances (I'm not saying they don't get on etc, but as demonstrated imo by the fact he shushed her, when she was going to defend herself after Len criticised her choreo and him immdeiately trying to cover her flippant remarks on ITT etc) you can clearly see he's aware it could be detrimental to him. Having said all that, I kind of felt a little sorry for Aliona tonight I think the biggest insult in terms of choreo tonight actually came from Alesha! The fact she said I'm not going to penalise you for the choreography is pretty much what the others were thinking, but it seemed a little awkward to watch imo especially as poor Aliona just had to stand there and take it |
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I don't think it's the amount of time spent on the stairs that was the problem. For me (and I think this is what Len was getting at as well), it broke the spell of the dance, and I found it cheesy.
Still love Harry & Aliona though ![]() However once again, Bruno spot on for me tonight! I will also say- Aliona belongs in the doghouse for her complete disregard for the judges, I didn't buy her "apology" on ITT and she really has to rebuild her reputation... Harry doesn't need stair gimmicks, like all the judges said, he is a sensational dancer on his own! |
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How bizzare!?
Harry and Aliona the only one's criticised for using the stairs, when others did.....but getting the first 10 of the series. Aliona is clearly very good news for this show!!!!!! |
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Hey lizzy!
I think the only reason Len got so angry was because the dance had the makings of a 10, and was spoilt. I don't think it's a personal grudge against Aliona. Like your choices this year, although Anita is my Robbie if you know what I mean! Mwah x ![]() about Anita, and I hope you're right about Len although I think her comment on ITT the other week wont be forgotten by Len for a while![]() Mwah to you too xx |
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Having said all that, I kind of felt a little sorry for Aliona tonight
I think the biggest insult in terms of choreo tonight actually came from Alesha! The fact she said I'm not going to penalise you for the choreography is pretty much what the others were thinking, but it seemed a little awkward to watch imo especially as poor Aliona just had to stand there and take it ![]() |
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Shame Len didnt pick up Brendan and Erin for using the stairs
I dont like the fact he always picks on Aliona.There is still too much faffing about for me for all the pros, but they have obviously been told to "up" the entertainment factor. I hope next series we can have a return to technique, I live in hope ![]() Quote:
How bizzare!?
Harry and Aliona the only one's criticised for using the stairs, when others did.....but getting the first 10 of the series. Aliona is clearly very good news for this show!!!!!! Brenda and Erin do not have partners of the calibre of Harry - he is far superiore to Lulu and Rory. Brendan and Erin used the stairs to 'use up the music' - Aliona did not need to do that with Harry. |
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Originally Posted by GeekyGemini View Post I sincerely hope you're right, I couldn't have expressed any of the shared sentiments better! With the exception that I felt no pity for Aliona. Hopefully now, between Len, Alesha and Harry, she'll sort it out and become a proper Strictly pro, and not a one woman "look at me! I'm trying to do quirky" car crash...
I think Len is playing a clever game here with Harry in this case. As Harry is very competitive, with Len's comments about "that would've been a 10 if it wasn't for"...etc will play on Harry's mind and make him possibly ask Aliona to give more 'straight' to the rules choreo instead of faffing or at least make him have doubts about her choreo (if he isn't already doing so). Harry will want those 10's and he knows with Aliona's choreo he's very unlikely to get one from Len You can see that Harry does listen to the judges and imo has some concern that Aliona may damage his chances (I'm not saying they don't get on etc, but as demonstrated imo by the fact he shushed her, when she was going to defend herself after Len criticised her choreo and him immdeiately trying to cover her flippant remarks on ITT etc) you can clearly see he's aware it could be detrimental to him. Having said all that, I kind of felt a little sorry for Aliona tonight I think the biggest insult in terms of choreo tonight actually came from Alesha! The fact she said I'm not going to penalise you for the choreography is pretty much what the others were thinking, but it seemed a little awkward to watch imo especially as poor Aliona just had to stand there and take it |
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[quote=GeekyGemini;53830805]I think Len is playing a clever game here with Harry in this case. As Harry is very competitive, with Len's comments about "that would've been a 10 if it wasn't for"...etc will play on Harry's mind and make him possibly ask Aliona to give more 'straight' to the rules choreo instead of faffing or at least make him have doubts about her choreo (if he isn't already doing so).
Harry will want those 10's and he knows with Aliona's choreo he's very unlikely to get one from Len You can see that Harry does listen to the judges and imo has some concern that Aliona may damage his chances (I'm not saying they don't get on etc, but as demonstrated imo by the fact he shushed her, when she was going to defend herself after Len criticised her choreo and him immdeiately trying to cover her flippant remarks on ITT etc) you can clearly see he's aware it could be detrimental to him.Exactly - very well put!
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I think Len is playing a clever game here with Harry in this case. As Harry is very competitive, with Len's comments about "that would've been a 10 if it wasn't for"...etc will play on Harry's mind and make him possibly ask Aliona to give more 'straight' to the rules choreo instead of faffing or at least make him have doubts about her choreo (if he isn't already doing so).
Harry will want those 10's and he knows with Aliona's choreo he's very unlikely to get one from Len You can see that Harry does listen to the judges and imo has some concern that Aliona may damage his chances (I'm not saying they don't get on etc, but as demonstrated imo by the fact he shushed her, when she was going to defend herself after Len criticised her choreo and him immdeiately trying to cover her flippant remarks on ITT etc) you can clearly see he's aware it could be detrimental to him.Having said all that, I kind of felt a little sorry for Aliona tonight I think the biggest insult in terms of choreo tonight actually came from Alesha! The fact she said I'm not going to penalise you for the choreography is pretty much what the others were thinking, but it seemed a little awkward to watch imo especially as poor Aliona just had to stand there and take it ![]() That is down to two things. Aliona's brilliant teaching and Harry trusting Aliona listening to what she tells him to do and working hard to get it right. I really can't see Harry second guessing Aliona in a way that is destructive. They have to have complete faith in each other. Both listening to and trusting the other and based on what Harry produced tonight that is what is happening. |
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I agree that Aliona is risking a lot if she continues to choreograph for herself and not for both judges and audience. Its an arrogant attitude which could lose her the title which she could easily claim with Harry as a partner. This year she has some stiff competition - Chelsee and Jason to name but two - and IMO she should be a little bit smarter in the way she approaches the choreography.
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She's silly if she doesn't take note of them 'cos some of the public phoning in to vote will be influenced by the judges comments.
Anne Len just has issues with her choreography, it is unfair the way he picks on her for it. |
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I think you are right and Len would love to get Harry to start arguing with Aliona - I think that was the whole point of the' I was going to give a ten' theatricals. I think it was preplanned before the dance started.
And the cynic in me definitely thinks it was part of a clever plan to undermine his confidence in her ![]() Quote:
I never thought about that, but yes, I can see how insulting that actually is to Aliona.
I immediately though wow the claws are out ![]() Quote:
I sincerely hope you're right, I couldn't have expressed any of the shared sentiments better! With the exception that I felt no pity for Aliona. Hopefully now, between Len, Alesha and Harry, she'll sort it out and become a proper Strictly pro, and not a one woman "look at me! I'm trying to do quirky" car crash...
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People shouldn't under estimate Harry. Yes he is competitive but in a healthy way. He is also not a moron. He can see for himself the HUGE improvement he made from his last ballroom dance. He got 2 more points from Len than he did for the foxtrot. Len also gave him a list as long as his arm of nearly everything that was wrong with his dancing and to my untrained eye it looked like nearly every one of them had been rectified.
That is down to two things. Aliona's brilliant teaching and Harry trusting Aliona listening to what she tells him to do and working hard to get it right. I really can't see Harry second guessing Aliona in a way that is destructive. They have to have complete faith in each other. Both listening to and trusting the other and based on what Harry produced tonight that is what is happening. We don't get the full picture so quite a lot is possibly speculation, but imho, comments like that from Len will likely plant seeds of doubt in Harry.
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.There was a reference on ITT also to Harry questioning Aliona (ITT didn't provide more details), to which she replied jokingly that it wouldn't happen again
We don't get the full picture so quite a lot is possibly speculation, but imho, comments like that from Len will likely plant seeds of doubt in Harry.That it took him 6 odd weeks to question her and that he was able to laugh it off shows his strength of character and how grounded he is. I can only go on what I know of Harry from my years of being a McFly fan and im sure if as you say there are "seeds of doubt" then he and Aliona are more than capable of sitting down as adults and discussing it properly. |
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Harry's technique had improved immensely - worthy of a ten says Len. Len isn't going to turn round and say well done Aliona.
If it was someone he liked, he might - and even dig out the 'Sometimes to make a dance complete, you have to break the rules.' Apparently last years rule of breaking hold during the dance still applies in other dances, so the issue was content - which didn't seem to matter as much in other dances. |
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There was a reference on ITT also to Harry questioning Aliona (ITT didn't provide more details), to which she replied jokingly that it wouldn't happen again
We don't get the full picture so quite a lot is possibly speculation, but imho, comments like that from Len will likely plant seeds of doubt in Harry. |
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I really don't see why Aliona should be in trouble this time, and I have certainly been critical in the past of her choreography for Rav and Matt (I think she might have lost Matt the title, he was sooo good... but I digress).
I just think it was a relatively small break in the dance (unlike Brendan's excursion - 15 secs is a long time dance-wise!), and was used to nice effect, to add to the story telling. I really don't see the problem this time
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It was Harry who said he had questioned something - for the first and last time. He was seeing the humour in it.
He's very intelligent and he can tell how good Aliona is as a coach. He will also understand her approach to choreography. I've no idea how he balances different opinions on that. He is a young man with a young fanbase - they may prefer the routines we have seen to the sort of routine that would please Len. Craig understood and liked the choreography for the Waltz. |
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I thought that was puerile from Aliona! If it was about the choreography then I hope she gets the message that he might have a point! I don't know how many times people have to tell her: THE SHOW IS NOT ABOUT YOU YOU PIG HEADED ARROGANT... she infuriates me with this perfection superiority complex she needs beating out of her!
![]() As a McFly and Harry fan who didn't think much of Aliona work with Matt last year, believe me if I thought for one second his pro was doing anything to hold him back I would say. Aliona however is doing a wonderful job you only have to compare this weeks waltz to the foxtrot just 2 weeks ago to see what a great teacher she has been for him. |
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there is absolutely no need for that
![]() As a McFly and Harry fan who didn't think much of Aliona work with Matt last year, believe me if I thought for one second his pro was doing anything to hold him back I would say. Aliona however is doing a wonderful job you only have to compare this weeks waltz to the foxtrot just 2 weeks ago to see what a great teacher she has been for him. However, there is every need for shouting at her endlessly infuriating choreography. What need is there, in a ballroom dance, to break hold for a bit of unnecessary story telling, which they could easily have done in more dancing terms and gotten nearly exactly the same effect; not only that, but KNOWING that Len Goodman, a professional judge for many years, as he pointed out to James, and that it is well known he's a stickler for good old fashioned ballroom dances, is out there waiting to pick up on it. I remember on Dancing With The Stars, when Mario Lopez and Karina broke hold in the Tango he knocked them down 4 marks for it! Harry was lucky with 2 from him! I agreed 100% with him, without that piece of foolishness it was 40/40! THAT is why I'm furious with Aliona. Natalie was similar to her with Ricky (see excessive lifts in American Smooth, and her distinctly self deifying professional Quickstep choreography, as good as it was) and somewhat with Scott, but has slowly developed into a fabulous pro in the context of the show, her dancing with Audley this season has been nothing more than captivating and inspiring! Aliona shows no signs of giving up any of her misplaced arrogance!
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Improvement in technique I absolutely agree, Aliona will do that no end! When she and Matt were on it last year, they were fabulous (Samba, for example)
However, there is every need for shouting at her endlessly infuriating choreography. What need is there, in a ballroom dance, to break hold for a bit of unnecessary story telling, which they could easily have done in more dancing terms and gotten nearly exactly the same effect; not only that, but KNOWING that Len Goodman, a professional judge for many years, as he pointed out to James, and that it is well known he's a stickler for good old fashioned ballroom dances, is out there waiting to pick up on it. I remember on Dancing With The Stars, when Mario Lopez and Karina broke hold in the Tango he knocked them down 4 marks for it! Harry was lucky with 2 from him! I agreed 100% with him, without that piece of foolishness it was 40/40! THAT is why I'm furious with Aliona. Natalie was similar to her with Ricky (see excessive lifts in American Smooth, and her distinctly self deifying professional Quickstep choreography, as good as it was) and somewhat with Scott, but has slowly developed into a fabulous pro in the context of the show, her dancing with Audley this season has been nothing more than captivating and inspiring! Aliona shows no signs of giving up any of her misplaced arrogance! ![]() The Jive may not have been full of Jive steps but it was very clever of Aliona. As a simpler routine it gave Harry the opportunity to relax and master what he was give and dance as Aliona's equal (for me he looked like he could easily have been the pro last week) it gave him an enormous confidence boost, made him believe he could be a dancer and gave him a chance to work on the one area of his dance that really needed work. The performance. and we saw the fruits of that in tonight's beautifully choreographed routine. Harry wouldn't have been able to get into that performance and the tenderness that it require had Aliona not taken the calculated risk she did last week. You can't please all the judges all of the time, Craig loved it Len didn't. If you please one you piss one off. |
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I'm with Len on this one - I was thoroughly enjoying the waltz and then she puts something pointless in there that professionals with pants partners have to do to use up time.
I was glad Alesha pointed out that the celebrity shouldn't be penalised for the choreography. I hope it made Aliona squirm - in my opinion she deserved to. |
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What would she have said in her defence if Harry had not shushed her ?
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You can see that Harry does listen to the judges and imo has some concern that Aliona may damage his chances (I'm not saying they don't get on etc, but as demonstrated imo by the fact he shushed her, when she was going to defend herself after Len criticised her choreo and him immdeiately trying to cover her flippant remarks on ITT etc) you can clearly see he's aware it could be detrimental to him.
I dont like the fact he always picks on Aliona.

I think the biggest insult in terms of choreo tonight actually came from Alesha! The fact she said I'm not going to penalise you for the choreography is pretty much what the others were thinking, but it seemed a little awkward to watch imo especially as poor Aliona just had to stand there and take it
We don't get the full picture so quite a lot is possibly speculation, but imho, comments like that from Len will likely plant seeds of doubt in Harry.