I don't think she should be sacked, but I wonder what she's trying to do sometimes.
Tulisa should be sacked from X Factor
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Originally Posted by snork:
“Well, you didn't mention that in your original list of stringent requirements. Can't you just admit you don't like her and be done with it.
This Kelly vs Tulisa stuff is beyond playground now.”
“Well, you didn't mention that in your original list of stringent requirements. Can't you just admit you don't like her and be done with it.
This Kelly vs Tulisa stuff is beyond playground now.”
Yes it is totally playground, but due to Tulisa inexperience she brought it down to the level "its a competition" she said. Yes it is but dont try to use the word bully just to knobble an act.
Originally Posted by ICON111:
“Why should Kelly respect Tulisa on musical level when she has achieved way more than Tulisa will achieve in a lifetime. Kelly knows what this show is all about. Thinks everything she does is right when she's not which makes her immature and inexperienced to be a judge.”
“Why should Kelly respect Tulisa on musical level when she has achieved way more than Tulisa will achieve in a lifetime. Kelly knows what this show is all about. Thinks everything she does is right when she's not which makes her immature and inexperienced to be a judge.”
I don't disagree at all that she is more talented and has done more, but does that mean she needs to be dismissive of Tulisa. They are all equal on the judging panel.
Originally Posted by ICON111:
“Why should Kelly respect Tulisa on musical level when she has achieved way more than Tulisa will achieve in a lifetime. Kelly knows what this show is all about. Thinks everything she does is right when she's not which makes her immature and inexperienced to be a judge.”
“Why should Kelly respect Tulisa on musical level when she has achieved way more than Tulisa will achieve in a lifetime. Kelly knows what this show is all about. Thinks everything she does is right when she's not which makes her immature and inexperienced to be a judge.”
Why should anyone respect anyone...because maybe it is common decency.
There is so much projection onto Tulisa and Kelly of their own personal issues it is getting scary. Don't think either of them covered themselves with glory. In fact, were it not for the spat that developed I would say that Barlow proved himself to be the biggest tool of all and he is supposed to know what he is talking about (in the pop realm).
Originally Posted by mangobutter:
“Yes it is totally playground, but due to Tulisa inexperience she brought it down to the level "its a competition" she said. Yes it is but dont try to use the word bully just to knobble an act.”
“Yes it is totally playground, but due to Tulisa inexperience she brought it down to the level "its a competition" she said. Yes it is but dont try to use the word bully just to knobble an act.”
Just to make a slight disagreement and its been said before she didn't use the B word. Yes Tulisa handled it badly from start to finish, but it has been handled poorly by everyone, a real fiasco.
Originally Posted by mangobutter:
“Nah, I dont buy this line. It depends on what you want out of the show, do you want medicore stars that will not have grown with the show and gotten better and better or do you want a star that can command respect worldwide. Kelly is simply too professional and is taking it seriously. She knows the real world and no matter how many lasagnes Tulisa prepares for her act, if you cannot grow and become better then what is the point? Apart from the Journey
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“Nah, I dont buy this line. It depends on what you want out of the show, do you want medicore stars that will not have grown with the show and gotten better and better or do you want a star that can command respect worldwide. Kelly is simply too professional and is taking it seriously. She knows the real world and no matter how many lasagnes Tulisa prepares for her act, if you cannot grow and become better then what is the point? Apart from the Journey
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I think they both care for their acts. I think Kelly takes it to a personal level. Like "hell no gurl, you didn't just disrespect my act" even when it's constructive. I think there's a happy medium. That being that you can care for your act, without taking every other judges comments that personally. That is something Kelly needs to learn.
I thought Dannii and Cheryl didn't get along, but I never even saw this from them. Because they understood the happy medium.
Originally Posted by mangobutter:
“Yes it is totally playground, but due to Tulisa inexperience she brought it down to the level "its a competition" she said. Yes it is but dont try to use the word bully just to knobble an act.”
“Yes it is totally playground, but due to Tulisa inexperience she brought it down to the level "its a competition" she said. Yes it is but dont try to use the word bully just to knobble an act.”
She didn't - I'm not quite sure how Tulisa has been labelled as having said the 'bully' word when she said nothing like it. It's like Live Aid, where everyone 'remembers' Bob Geldof saying 'give us the ****ing money' when he didn't say that.
Originally Posted by I <3 Tweety:
“I don't disagree at all that she is more talented and has done more, but does that mean she needs to be dismissive of Tulisa. They are all equal on the judging panel.”
“I don't disagree at all that she is more talented and has done more, but does that mean she needs to be dismissive of Tulisa. They are all equal on the judging panel.”
If it's get to the point that Tulisa thinks she knows everything about music biz like she did then yes. Kelly will have the uphand on Tulisa as she is musically gifted with a voice where's Tulisa does not.
lmfao absolutely, she really messed up when it came to her little tirade with Misha. She knows what she was doing, she was just trying to make Misha look bad and in return it makes her look desperate as **** for doing so. This all could of been handled backstage if it was so important for her to give Misha a "reality check". And her little comment about about it being no big deal or whatever kind of confirms what her motives were all about, too funny how anyone can defend that when she even back peddled what she said herself tonight... come on now.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“She didn't - I'm not quite sure how Tulisa has been labelled as having said the 'bully' word when she said nothing like it. It's like Live Aid, where everyone 'remembers' Bob Geldof saying 'give us the ****ing money' when he didn't say that.”
“She didn't - I'm not quite sure how Tulisa has been labelled as having said the 'bully' word when she said nothing like it. It's like Live Aid, where everyone 'remembers' Bob Geldof saying 'give us the ****ing money' when he didn't say that.”
People belive what they wanna believe. Don't worry, people know Louis said this, but because Tulisa is such a 'untalented chav' it'll always be her fault!
Originally Posted by ICON111:
“If it's get to the point that Tulisa thinks she knows everything about music biz like she did then yes. Kelly will have the uphand on Tulisa as she is musically gifted with a voice where's Tulisa does not.”
“If it's get to the point that Tulisa thinks she knows everything about music biz like she did then yes. Kelly will have the uphand on Tulisa as she is musically gifted with a voice where's Tulisa does not.”
Sorry but I'm not sure when Tulisa said that she knew everything about the music 'biz'.
I do however, recall her saying that they must have had crossed wires as she interpreted it differently.
Originally Posted by huh:
“lmfao absolutely, she really messed up when it came to her little tirade with Misha. She knows what she was doing, she was just trying to make Misha look bad and in return it makes her look desperate as **** for doing so. This all could of been handled backstage if it was so important for her to give Misha a "reality check". And her little comment about about it being no big deal or whatever kind of confirms what her motives were all about, too funny how anyone can defend that when she even back peddled what she said herself tonight... come on now.”
“lmfao absolutely, she really messed up when it came to her little tirade with Misha. She knows what she was doing, she was just trying to make Misha look bad and in return it makes her look desperate as **** for doing so. This all could of been handled backstage if it was so important for her to give Misha a "reality check". And her little comment about about it being no big deal or whatever kind of confirms what her motives were all about, too funny how anyone can defend that when she even back peddled what she said herself tonight... come on now.”
Oh of course it is beyond the realms of reality that she was told to say that.
Originally Posted by I <3 Tweety:
“I think they both care for their acts. I think Kelly takes it to a personal level. Like "hell no gurl, you didn't just disrespect my act" even when it's constructive. I think there's a happy medium. That being that you can care for your act, without taking every other judges comments that personally. That is something Kelly needs to learn.
I thought Dannii and Cheryl didn't get along, but I never even saw this from them. Because they understood the happy medium.”
“I think they both care for their acts. I think Kelly takes it to a personal level. Like "hell no gurl, you didn't just disrespect my act" even when it's constructive. I think there's a happy medium. That being that you can care for your act, without taking every other judges comments that personally. That is something Kelly needs to learn.
I thought Dannii and Cheryl didn't get along, but I never even saw this from them. Because they understood the happy medium.”
I partly agree with what you are saying, but Tulisa has a lot to learn from this. On a much much more basic level than Kelly, she is learning the role but she is not a quality judge just yet. Its almost like she is buying her acts love with food and chit chat. Kelly almost knows that you have to give the performance of a lifetime every week to be able to have a career after xfactor.
During an interview, her mind was working on what the acts would do after xfactor, can they improve etc. All Tulisa cares about is food and chit chat, that can only take you so far, you need to be able to learn and grow, the competition out there is tough and Kelly is preparing her acts for it.
Ack, a problem is Kelly is too professional - good for her acts, not so great for TV and Tulisa is too inexperienced, great for viewing at what a car crash ( it was akin to wagner/cherly) but not for longeivity for her acts. It was insulting her comments about females a few weeks back
Originally Posted by ICON111:
“She can't sing can't dance, can't play any instrument so she not qualified to judge on a talent show.”
“She can't sing can't dance, can't play any instrument so she not qualified to judge on a talent show.”
Of course she can sing. But what dancing or playing an instrument has to do with anything is beyond me. If she'd danced for the Bolshoi and could take her pick from any instrument in an orchestra, it still wouldn't make her any more qualified to judge this competition.
Originally Posted by abargill:
“she got the whole "rock week" theme completely wrong too. Shes a nice girl n everything but when u compare it to the experience Gary Barlow and Kelly bring to the table, shes no match.”
“she got the whole "rock week" theme completely wrong too. Shes a nice girl n everything but when u compare it to the experience Gary Barlow and Kelly bring to the table, shes no match.”
No she didn't. The songs would've had to be passed by the producers, and evidently they were happy and gave the go-ahead. Barlow has proven to be a poor mentor, as his inept song choices have shown. As has Kelly, who on top of being a nasty, self-important diva clearly couldn't give a toss about 'her' girls.
Originally Posted by ICON111:
“Same did Kelly who always does it in a professional way.”
“Same did Kelly who always does it in a professional way.”
Yes, you can always rely on Rowland to be professional, throwing pens and shouting 'dodo' over and over again at Louis, yes very professional.
Originally Posted by I <3 Tweety:
“Sorry but I'm not sure when Tulisa said that she knew everything about the music 'biz'.
I do however, recall her saying that they must have had crossed wires as she interpreted it differently.”
“Sorry but I'm not sure when Tulisa said that she knew everything about the music 'biz'.
I do however, recall her saying that they must have had crossed wires as she interpreted it differently.
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Yes she got rock week totally wrong (salt and pepa anyone???) that is fair enough, but instead of just talking about the acts, she has the gall to put down other judges song choices, here in lies the problem, inexperience.
Originally Posted by Since Yesterday:
“Of course she can sing. But what dancing or playing an instrument has to do with anything is beyond me. If she'd danced for the Bolshoi and could take her pick from any instrument in an orchestra, it still wouldn't make her any more qualified to judge this competition.
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“Of course she can sing. But what dancing or playing an instrument has to do with anything is beyond me. If she'd danced for the Bolshoi and could take her pick from any instrument in an orchestra, it still wouldn't make her any more qualified to judge this competition.
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Do you have proof? She has a poor "singing" voice from what I have heard.
Any you are missing the point she doesn't have the right to judge any act as she untalented herself.
Originally Posted by mangobutter:
“I partly agree with what you are saying, but Tulisa has a lot to learn from this. On a much much more basic level than Kelly, she is learning the role but she is not a quality judge just yet. Its almost like she is buying her acts love with food and chit chat. Kelly almost knows that you have to give the performance of a lifetime every week to be able to have a career after xfactor.
During an interview, her mind was working on what the acts would do after xfactor, can they improve etc. All Tulisa cares about is food and chit chat, that can only take you so far, you need to be able to learn and grow, the competition out there is tough and Kelly is preparing her acts for it.
Ack, a problem is Kelly is too professional - good for her acts, not so great for TV and Tulisa is too inexperienced, great for viewing at what a car crash ( it was akin to wagner/cherly) but not for longeivity for her acts. It was insulting her comments about females a few weeks back”
“I partly agree with what you are saying, but Tulisa has a lot to learn from this. On a much much more basic level than Kelly, she is learning the role but she is not a quality judge just yet. Its almost like she is buying her acts love with food and chit chat. Kelly almost knows that you have to give the performance of a lifetime every week to be able to have a career after xfactor.
During an interview, her mind was working on what the acts would do after xfactor, can they improve etc. All Tulisa cares about is food and chit chat, that can only take you so far, you need to be able to learn and grow, the competition out there is tough and Kelly is preparing her acts for it.
Ack, a problem is Kelly is too professional - good for her acts, not so great for TV and Tulisa is too inexperienced, great for viewing at what a car crash ( it was akin to wagner/cherly) but not for longeivity for her acts. It was insulting her comments about females a few weeks back
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Yeah, they are all gonna take different approaches. Glad we finally agree.
I don't think either are taking the best approach right now, but hey I aint a judge.
I feel like both of them care for their acts too much. It's good to care, but you have to remain professional. I don't think either of them have been as professional as they can be, but it's a learning curve for both of them. So let's leave it at that?
Originally Posted by mangobutter:
“Yes she got rock week totally wrong (salt and pepa anyone???) that is fair enough, but instead of just talking about the acts, she has the gall to put down other judges song choices, here in lies the problem, inexperience.”
“Yes she got rock week totally wrong (salt and pepa anyone???) that is fair enough, but instead of just talking about the acts, she has the gall to put down other judges song choices, here in lies the problem, inexperience.”
I didn't think she had the right to do that either!
I was sitting there to my boyfriend and I was like "Is Kesha REALLY rock?" And he was like no, but was still looking at me disapprovingly for watching the X Factor.
But I agree, she didn't pick rock songs.
I don't think they should be allowed to pick pop songs and make them rock, or pick rock songs and make them ballads. Rock week IS rock week.
But then again, I hate these silly genre weeks.
A successful artist does not need to be versatile? Like when do we hear Adele doing other genres. We don't need to, because she is good at what she does. I wish the themed weeks were like, number 1s, american songs, english songs, guilty pleasures, etc.
Last edited by I <3 Tweety : 24-10-2011 at 00:06
Originally Posted by ICON111:
“Do you have proof? She has a poor "singing" voice from what I have heard.
Any you are missing the point she doesn't have the right to judge any act as she untalented herself.”
“Do you have proof? She has a poor "singing" voice from what I have heard.
Any you are missing the point she doesn't have the right to judge any act as she untalented herself.”
Well there's this thing called YouTube. But it's very underground and selective about who they let in.
That's not a point. It's a hearing impairment.
Also Tulisa also uses tactics so far in the live shows which even more apparent than last week.
1st - Criticizing Janet for not being "rock"
2nd - Humiliating Misha B
3rd - Saving Sami when she always said better things about Kitty than Sami
She's one nasty piece of work and this shows how unprofessional and "competitive" she is which she accused Misha B of being.
1st - Criticizing Janet for not being "rock"
2nd - Humiliating Misha B
3rd - Saving Sami when she always said better things about Kitty than Sami
She's one nasty piece of work and this shows how unprofessional and "competitive" she is which she accused Misha B of being.
Originally Posted by Since Yesterday:
“Well there's this thing called YouTube. But it's very underground and selective about who they let in.
That's not a point. It's a hearing impairment.”
“Well there's this thing called YouTube. But it's very underground and selective about who they let in.
That's not a point. It's a hearing impairment.”
I guess on your part as you wouldn't know talent if it hit you in the face.
Originally Posted by I <3 Tweety:
“Yeah, they are all gonna take different approaches. Glad we finally agree.
I don't think either are taking the best approach right now, but hey I aint a judge.
I feel like both of them care for their acts too much. It's good to care, but you have to remain professional. I don't think either of them have been as professional as they can be, but it's a learning curve for both of them. So let's leave it at that?”
“Yeah, they are all gonna take different approaches. Glad we finally agree.
I don't think either are taking the best approach right now, but hey I aint a judge.
I feel like both of them care for their acts too much. It's good to care, but you have to remain professional. I don't think either of them have been as professional as they can be, but it's a learning curve for both of them. So let's leave it at that?
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Totally
Originally Posted by I <3 Tweety:
“I didn't think she had the right to do that either!
I was sitting there to my boyfriend and I was like "Is Kesha REALLY rock?" And he was like no, but was still looking at me disapprovingly for watching the X Factor.
But I agree, she didn't pick rock songs.
I don't think they should be allowed to pick pop songs and make them rock, or pick rock songs and make them ballads. Rock week IS rock week.
But then again, I hate these silly genre weeks.
A successful artist does not need to be versatile? Like when do we hear Adele doing other genres. We don't need to, because she is good at what she does. I wish the themed weeks were like, number 1s, american songs, english songs, guilty pleasures, etc.”
“I didn't think she had the right to do that either!
I was sitting there to my boyfriend and I was like "Is Kesha REALLY rock?" And he was like no, but was still looking at me disapprovingly for watching the X Factor.
But I agree, she didn't pick rock songs.
I don't think they should be allowed to pick pop songs and make them rock, or pick rock songs and make them ballads. Rock week IS rock week.
But then again, I hate these silly genre weeks.
A successful artist does not need to be versatile? Like when do we hear Adele doing other genres. We don't need to, because she is good at what she does. I wish the themed weeks were like, number 1s, american songs, english songs, guilty pleasures, etc.”
Your right about Adele, she just is an amazing talent,she doesnt need to change herself in anyway. I enjoy the pared down weeks when you can actually just hear the acts sing in a somewhat meaningful way.
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