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Rihanna - auto-tune?
I've heard Rihanna quite a lot recently and love her new single We Found Love and her part in Coldplay's Princess of China. However, her voice always sounds like it's been pitched up and messed around with a computer, making it sound robotic and auto tuned. I know she has a good voice though, because I've heard her sing live. So why is her recorded voice always ruined and 'computerized'? I've also noticed the same with Katy Perry - but she sang great live on the X Factor the other week.
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You'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't use vocal editing on some degree, but Katy and Rihanna definitely get a lot of help from autotune.
General rule is that if someone can't replicate the studio recording live, their vocals have been meddled with. In this case, you'll notice that neither of them can pull off the headvoice they use on track and Katy in particular tends to get a pained 'dear god please let this be on key' look on her face as she shout-belts. |
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Katy Perry is an AWFUL singer, but I didn't see her on X Factor so maybe she's improved.
Rihanna has improved in the last few years but you're right about the autotune. I think it must be because it fits that dance sort of music so well? |
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Rihanna and autotune are an industry duo But at least her producers don't overuse it to the extent that her voice sounds robotic and annoying (unlike all the Dr Luke produced songs) That said, 'We Found Love' by Calvin Harris featuring autotune and Rihanna is growing on me ![]() Quote:
Katy Perry is an AWFUL singer, but I didn't see her on X Factor so maybe she's improved.
In the rare cases when her team give her a song in her comfort zone ('The One That Got Away', 'E.T', 'Thinking Of You') she can carry it live and sometimes she could even be labelled as good. However, I wouldn't blame people for thinking she's horrible granted that her signature song ('Firework') is completely out of her vocal range
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when she's got auto tune..it make her likeable and easy to listen too. I remember in her early days, her voice was so annoying....not a hater though x
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There's definitely pitch correction but on some songs there is autotune, like We Found Love.
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Rihanna like Katy and Cheryl uses Melodyne software on her voice. She has used it entirely on Loud and it is very very obvious on We Found Love...
She also used it a lot on California King Bed. I love the tone of her voice, but her vocals are very processed in the studio...She isn't as bad as Katy and Cheryl though whose vocals just completely fall down with out Melodyne... |
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Rihanna like Katy and Cheryl uses Melodyne software on her voice. She has used it entirely on Loud and it is very very obvious on We Found Love...
She also used it a lot on California King Bed. I love the tone of her voice, but her vocals are very processed in the studio...She isn't as bad as Katy and Cheryl though whose vocals just completely fall down with out Melodyne...
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IF you can, could you explain the difference between autotune and melodyne?I assume that the autotune affects the pitch too, while melodyne doesn't, but I'm not sure
![]() Melodyne is harder to spot because you can alter the pitch but there is no robotic side effect. This video should make things more clear, but basically, melodyne is almost undetectable to an untrained ear, but you can spot it working if you know what to listen for. With melodyne you can also alter the note and the amplitude, so a really bad singer can be made to sound decent. |
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I don't think Rihanna sounds so bad. Not robotic at all. For me personally, it isn't obvious Auto tune is used on her.
Kesha is the worst offender in terms of Female artists. |
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Autotune is easy to hear because it alters the pitch very sharply...and it doesn't process vibrato very well which was why viewers spotted the auto-tune mics on the X Factor auditions very quickly...
Melodyne is harder to spot because you can alter the pitch but there is no robotic side effect. This video should make things more clear, but basically, melodyne is almost undetectable to an untrained ear, but you can spot it working if you know what to listen for. With melodyne you can also alter the note and the amplitude, so a really bad singer can be made to sound decent. |
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Melodyne is god awful with artifacts lol! It's not even the case that you can manipulate the vocal a bit more than in autotune anymore what with the latest version of autotune.
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Autotune is easy to hear because it alters the pitch very sharply...and it doesn't process vibrato very well which was why viewers spotted the auto-tune mics on the X Factor auditions very quickly...
Melodyne is harder to spot because you can alter the pitch but there is no robotic side effect. This video should make things more clear, but basically, melodyne is almost undetectable to an untrained ear, but you can spot it working if you know what to listen for. With melodyne you can also alter the note and the amplitude, so a really bad singer can be made to sound decent.
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She does use a lot of melodyne, but pretty much everyone does. Even people like Adele. I don't see how that's a problem unless she can't replicate it live. Which she can't, but I'm just saying.
![]() She doesn't use auto-tune that much though, certainly not to the extent of Ke$ha. |
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Seņor Buble is a melodyne abuser too isn't he?
You can hear it on Adele's Set Fire To The Rain I think, too. But yeah, it's all about whether you can sing it in the first place. |
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Seņor Buble is a melodyne abuser too isn't he?
You can hear it on Adele's Set Fire To The Rain I think, too. But yeah, it's all about whether you can sing it in the first place. |
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But yeah, it's all about whether you can sing it in the first place.
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What about Brandon Flower's vocals from the Killers? Any Killers fans here? What about the radical changes he has on all The Killers albums, is that naturally his voice or was some work done?
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I think it's good when artists use vocal effects on their voices. It makes the songs sound better (well, I'm stating the obvious here, if vocal effects made the songs sound worse, they wouldn't apply them).
Especially on electronic songs, it makes sense to use vocal effects. Some artists like Ke$ha and the Black Eyed Peas use it on purpose, and do it in an obvious way, on purpose. Tik Tok and Boom Boom Pow would've been so boring without the millions of computer effects they used tbh. |
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What about Brandon Flower's vocals from the Killers? Any Killers fans here? What about the radical changes he has on all The Killers albums, is that naturally his voice or was some work done?
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I think it's good when artists use vocal effects on their voices. It makes the songs sound better (well, I'm stating the obvious here, if vocal effects made the songs sound worse, they wouldn't apply them).
Especially on electronic songs, it makes sense to use vocal effects. Some artists like Ke$ha and the Black Eyed Peas use it on purpose, and do it in an obvious way, on purpose. Tik Tok and Boom Boom Pow would've been so boring without the millions of computer effects they used tbh. it is when hopeless singers use it to 'cheat' their way to fame is when it gets annoying. |
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There was some autotune on Hot Fuss, but Brandon has said that they'd never use it again and he had some singing lessons before Day & Age was released.
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Do you really need to put a question mark with Rihanna, and autotune? Lmao.
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But at least her producers don't overuse it to the extent that her voice sounds robotic and annoying (unlike all the Dr Luke produced songs) 
In the rare cases when her team give her a song in her comfort zone ('The One That Got Away', 'E.T', 'Thinking Of You') she can carry it live and sometimes she could even be labelled as good.