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Sami "'Misha bully claims are ridiculous" - Just 5 teens in a tiff
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Brightstone
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“Well, I said it before in another thread and I will say it again. It is a matter of opinion. I would want to know what's happening backstage and if someone was mean to another act. U may not want to know or don't care. It is totally respected. Some people will not care that this was mentioned and will continue to vote for Misha.

Tulisa 's job is to have an opinion, so if she feels that she has to express it live, why not do it?



that's funny Personally I am not trying to twist anything. I am just expressing my opinion and how I saw the whole scene.”

On contestants performances. It is not her job to get involved in petty backstage squabbles by bringing them into the Saturday/Sunday night show. It was clear what she was trying to do as she failed to comment on Misha's performance but launched straight into her lecture about 'mean comments'. She left it open to interpretation so viewers could read into and blow it out of proportion. If she was really keen to clear it up and offer Misha some salient advice, she should have aired it out properly or not at all. Later when she said 'no hard feelings' her voice and look were full of spite. She's not behaving professionally and I find that indefensible. She should concentrate on her acts and their performances as both were poor on Saturday and could use her guidance on that.
Delicious11
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“If it has, then it's her problem, isnt it? Her fans though will continue to be her fans and love her And maybe Cheryl is hated ( I don't know, to tell u the truth because I see it outside the UK and I am under the impression that she has many fans) but she has many money and had number ones.”

Well Cheryl success has somewhat been limited to the UK because of her past. Just like Tulisa's will be limited to the within the boundaries of Chav Town from now on. I doubt if she will be asked back next year.
SAFIAH
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“Well, to tell the truth Tulisa never said that Misha was bullying her acts.
She said that some acts told her that Misha was mean to them.
What I understood from all of that is:

Rhythmix had an argument with Misha. Misha probably has a very intense personality and I don't think she talks to other contestants in the most kind way (some people say things loud and try to show that they have the upper hand maybe because that's how they were raised and they believe that with this attitude will go forward. They can use words that can be a little mean. I believe Misha belongs to these people and I am not saying this as a bad thing. But prob that's how she is. She became tough having to go through some difficult times while she was young).

So probably a disagreement with Rhythmix led to Misha talking to them in a bad way and being received as being mean and hurt the girls' feelings. Tulisa and Rhythmix are very close so they talked about it but I don't think they told Tulisa "Misha was mean to us, mention it in the live shows" but what is more likely to have happened was Tulisa asking "Why are u girls down today? " and their response would have to do with Misha.

After that incident Tulisa thought it was better to mention it live as this had an effect in the way Rhythmix were feeling and that would affect their performance.

I don't think Tulisa did something wrong. Everybody keeps saying how funny Marcus is backstage and what great personality he and Sophie have. If this is all about the performance they shouldn't mention anything like that. Tulisa thought she should mention the Misha incident on the live shows and she did. She didn't call her a bully or anything. She just told her that she doesn't want her to be mean at her acts.

That's the way I received the whole incident and I don't think it was as bad as some people did and went to the point of calling Tulisa a racist..”

Where and what are you basing those comments on.

It sounds to me as if you are using stereotypical generalisations to describe Misha which is offensive and extremely narrow minded.

You need to open your mind more because you are using negative ugly comments that cause me personal insult to describe her.
galena
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“Well, I said it before in another thread and I will say it again. It is a matter of opinion. I would want to know what's happening backstage and if someone was mean to another act. U may not want to know or don't care. It is totally respected. Some people will not care that this was mentioned and will continue to vote for Misha.

Tulisa 's job is to have an opinion, so if she feels that she has to express it live, why not do it?

that's funny Personally I am not trying to twist anything. I am just expressing my opinion and how I saw the whole scene.”

Her job is to have opinions on Misha's performance on the night anything else is - IMO - out of order. And if matters so much that people know about Misha - because they might not want to vote her because 'she was mean to another act' in that case I guess it would be totally appropriate for - say - Kelly to comment on Derry's past convictions next time The Risk perform? Maybe even have a victim statement from the person he mugged? After all a lot of people probably wouldn't want to vote for a mugger either if they knew.the truth about him..
elsali
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Brightstone:
“On contestants performances. It is not her job to get involved in petty backstage squabbles by bringing them into the Saturday/Sunday night show. It was clear what she was trying to do as she failed to comment on Misha's performance but launched straight into her lecture about 'mean comments'. She left it open to interpretation so viewers could read into and blow it out of proportion. If she was really keen to clear it up and offer Misha some salient advice, she should have aired it out properly or not at all. Later when she said 'no hard feelings' her voice and look were full of spite. She's not behaving professionally and I find that indefensible. She should concentrate on her acts and their performances as both were poor on Saturday and could use her guidance on that.”

I think she commented on Misha's performance. She said she was the star of the show. I found what she said about her being mean and her feistiness (sorry for the spelling) pretty clear but maybe I connected it immediately with Rhythmix and Misha. Maybe someone who doesn't know her relationship with her contestants couldnt see it, but it made sense to me.

I think that this conversation can go on and on and on. I agree with Misha on what she said about always being two sides in every story. I still don't think that Tulisa was wrong though. Kelly or Gary may have never mentioned this. Simon would have and have gotten away with it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if this opinion will affect their careers then it is their problem to worry about.
Brightstone
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by SAFIAH:
“Where and what are you basing those comments on.

It sounds to me as if you are using stereotypical generalisations to describe Misha which is offensive and extremely narrow minded.

You need to open your mind more because you are using negative ugly comments that cause me personal insult to describe her.”

I think the answer is unabashed ignorance
elsali
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by SAFIAH:
“Where and what are you basing those comments on.

It sounds to me as if you are using stereotypical generalisations to describe Misha which is offensive and extremely narrow minded.

You need to open your mind more because you are using negative ugly comments that cause me personal insult to describe her.”

maybe i didn't express it well. I am not saying she is a bad person. Some people have temperament (is this the word?) that makes them dynamic and express themselves intensely. Their personality is more dynamic than others and maybe sometimes has as a result being received as mean. This is what I am saying.
snuffles22
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by galena:
“Her job is to have opinions on Misha's performance on the night anything else is - IMO - out of order. And if matters so much that people know about Misha - because they might not want to vote her because 'she was mean to another act' in that case I guess it would be totally appropriate for - say - Kelly to comment on Derry's past convictions next time The Risk perform? Maybe even have a victim statement from the person he mugged? After all a lot of people probably wouldn't want to vote for a mugger either if they knew.the truth about him.. ”


EXACTLY! Do some think it would be OK to bring up Derry's criminal past after he performed? I don't. I only care what he does on that stage.

If Kelly or any other judge decided to drag Derry's past out on live TV, Tulisa would have gone BALLISTIC (and rightfully so). So why is it OK for Tulisa to do it to other acts?

Leave the personal shiz out of it.
elsali
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Brightstone:
“I think the answer is unabashed ignorance”

LMAO...
Aren't we here to express our opinions? This is exactly what I did. If u want to say something more, u are freely to do so.
Brightstone
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“I think she commented on Misha's performance. She said she was the star of the show. I found what she said about her being mean and her feistiness (sorry for the spelling) pretty clear but maybe I connected it immediately with Rhythmix and Misha. Maybe someone who doesn't know her relationship with her contestants couldnt see it, but it made sense to me.

I think that this conversation can go on and on and on. I agree with Misha on what she said about always being two sides in every story. I still don't think that Tulisa was wrong though. Kelly or Gary may have never mentioned this. Simon would have and have gotten away with it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if this opinion will affect their careers then it is their problem to worry about.”

No, Tulisa tried very deliberate sabotage on Misha who stood there and had to take it. She was gracious about the incident and I think some people need to think about their need to interpret Misha's backstage behaviour beyond what fellow contestants have said i.e Sami. I'm sure she knows what is going on behind the scenes and she described the backstage arguments as bickering due to stress. Tulisa should remember she's one of the judges not a contestant thus she should try to show her acts the appropriate and professional way to handle themselves on and offstage. It's funny how it's not ok for Kelly Rowland to approach other judges' acts (behind the scenes no less) but it's ok for Tulisa to bash Misha on live television then dismiss the impact with a 'no hard feelings'. It baffles me how people are so proud of her this weekend.

I agree we all have our own opinions but people on here need to know that when they spout ignorant statements and stereotypes, some people are not going to be ok with that and will react and respond. It's a forum not a lecturn.
Brightstone
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“LMAO...
Aren't we here to express our opinions? This is exactly what I did. If u want to say something more, u are freely to do so.”

Only if you acknowledge that everyone is going to do so regardless of whether they agree or disagree with you. You seem to be ok with opinion as long as it does not run contrary to yours. I understand you're supporting Tulisa but your interpretations of Misha backstage went beyond what was expressed either on the show or with the recently ousted Sami. I can only conclude that your analysis of Misha as a person was based on stereotype and ignorance. Now if you want to come back on that, feel free.
Unigal07
24-10-2011
Well done Sami for doing the decent thing and actually making an effort to clear Misha's name
SacredDiablo
24-10-2011
wow im impressed, i really kinda like her now.. ALOT!
Arnold1
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Unigal07:
“Well done Sami for doing the decent thing and actually making an effort to clear Misha's name ”

It wasn't her that was the victim, it was Rhythmix and so far they haven't said anything to clear Misha's name.
ishina
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“Won't convince people who are determined to believe Misha's a bully though.”

Even video evidence of the entire time in the contestants house wouldn't convince them. It's not about truth. It's about the need to rationalise the deep-seated hate they have for Misha. In the end, they are really only fooling themselves.
Unigal07
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Arnold1:
“It wasn't her that was the victim, it was Rhythmix and so far they haven't said anything to clear Misha's name.”

Rhythmix are victims? Hmm, I haven't actually heard them say that they WERE bullied either, have you? Sami said there were indeed arguments (from most of them, not Misha in particular) but there was absolutely NO bullying.
elsali
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Brightstone:
“Only if you acknowledge that everyone is going to do so regardless of whether they agree or disagree with you. You seem to be ok with opinion as long as it does not run contrary to yours. I understand you're supporting Tulisa but your interpretations of Misha backstage went beyond what was expressed either on the show or with the recently ousted Sami. I can only conclude that your analysis of Misha as a person was based on stereotype and ignorance. Now if you want to come back on that, feel free.”

I only said that I agree with Tulisa. I didn't say anything bad about anyone who disagrees with me And why would I do that? That will be crazy. We can disagree and still chat politely.

I didn't say Misha is a bad person who I cannot stand, I said that I believe Misha has an intense personality which is not a bad thing (is the word intense used negatively? I didn't use it in a negative way). Many greeks have intense personalities. I think u received it in the wrong way. I said that if someone has an intense personality often when they talk to people they can be perceived as being mean. Not that I think they are mean.

And because of that, I said that they are two sides to every story. It will be normal for someone who talks intensely to say something without meaning anything bad and someone who is not used to that can receive it as they are swearing at them. It is as simple as that.

Btw, I am ok with every opinion.
Delicious11
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Arnold1:
“It wasn't her that was the victim, it was Rhythmix and so far they haven't said anything to clear Misha's name.”

Have you listened to yourself?

lol..this is too funny. Are you aware that Rythmix consists of not one, but four girls and I am expected to believe that one solitary 5ft.1inch girl is supposed to have bullied them all and made them into victims?

Please! This is almost as ridiculous as DS forum members over the weekend swearing on their lives that this tiny black girl is supposed to have bullied 6ft, 15 stone Sammi.

I think we have all had confirmation from various sources in the know that there was indeed an argument between the girls but I think it is extremely unfair to see a group of girls as victims especially when they were all against one girl on her own. As Misha said there are two sides to the story and it should have been left backstage.
Arnold1
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Unigal07:
“Rhythmix are victims? Hmm, I haven't actually heard them say that they WERE bullied either, have you? Sami said there were indeed arguments (from most of them, not Misha in particular) but there was absolutely NO bullying.”

I never said anything about bullying. I was referring to Misha's rude and aggressive behaviour that we have already witnessed against Louie with that rude "Sorry?" comment Misha made. So we already have evidence for her rude behaviour.
Alicey
24-10-2011
Sounds like Sami is too scared to speak out against Misha...classic signs of bullying....she probably made her say these things.
Arnold1
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Delicious11:
“Have you listened to yourself?

lol..this is too funny. Are you aware that Rythmix consists of not one, but four girls and I am expected to believe that one solitary 5ft.1inch girl is supposed to have bullied them all and made them into victims?”

Like i said before, I never said anything about bullying. I wish some members would learn to READ comments properly before responding.
ishina
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Arnold1:
“Like i said before, I never said anything about bullying. I wish some members would learn to READ comments properly before responding.”

So... what were you alluding to when you said they have not "cleared her name"?
Brightstone
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by elsali:
“I only said that I agree with Tulisa. I didn't say anything bad about anyone who disagrees with me And why would I do that? That will be crazy. We can disagree and still chat politely.

I didn't say Misha is a bad person who I cannot stand, I said that I believe Misha has an intense personality which is not a bad thing (is the word intense used negatively? I didn't use it in a negative way). Many greeks have intense personalities. I think u received it in the wrong way. I said that if someone has an intense personality often when they talk to people they can be perceived as being mean. Not that I think they are mean.

And because of that, I said that they are two sides to every story. It will be normal for someone who talks intensely to say something without meaning anything bad and someone who is not used to that can receive it as they are swearing at them. It is as simple as that.

Btw, I am ok with every opinion.”


Your words:

What I understood from all of that is:

Rhythmix had an argument with Misha. Misha probably has a very intense personality and I don't think she talks to other contestants in the most kind way (some people say things loud and try to show that they have the upper hand maybe because that's how they were raised and they believe that with this attitude will go forward. They can use words that can be a little mean. I believe Misha belongs to these people and I am not saying this as a bad thing. But prob that's how she is. She became tough having to go through some difficult times while she was young).

So probably a disagreement with Rhythmix led to Misha talking to them in a bad way and being received as being mean and hurt the girls' feelings. Tulisa and Rhythmix are very close so they talked about it but I don't think they told Tulisa "Misha was mean to us, mention it in the live shows" but what is more likely to have happened was Tulisa asking "Why are u girls down today? " and their response would have to do with Misha.

After that incident Tulisa thought it was better to mention it live as this had an effect in the way Rhythmix were feeling and that would affect their performance.

In the bolded comments - you were interpreting Misha's personality, demeanour and behaviour from a point of ignorance i.e not knowing as none of us do. You seemed to push your statements about her as fact and I could only think they came from a stereotyped viewpoint. The things you said earlier regarding Misha do not tally with what you have said just now. We don't know what anyone on the show is like but time and again people are telling us exactly what contestants did, said, how a look or movement should be interpreted or projecting their own ideas of what a contestants' personality and behaviour was/is. All we really have are cryptic comments from Tulisa, statement and retraction from Louis and Sami denying that any bullying happened. It all adds up to a murky, muddled situation that would have been better sorted backstage.
Brightstone
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Alicey:
“Sounds like Sami is too scared to speak out against Misha...classic signs of bullying....she probably made her say these things.”


Yeah gun to the head - amazing reach she has from that contestants house. This stuff is all beyond a joke.
Arnold1
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by ishina:
“So... what were you alluding to when you said they have not "cleared her name"?”

I was referring to Misha's rude and aggressive behaviour, examples of which we have already seen when she made that rude "Sorry?" comment towards a judge no less. Now if she can behave like that towards a judge then, how is she going to behave towards another contestant who disagrees with her?
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