Msha said pardon because she did not hear what Louis said, I am sure even you have noticed the audience being loud. You are making mountains out of molehills, if Sami has stated that Misha is not a bully it proves that Louis is a liar and Tulisa was out of line.

Well, to tell u the truth what I said in my previous post is exactly what I meant in the bolded words. Maybe if I said it in Greek then there wouldn't have been any misunderstanding. But the meaning probably got lost in translation. In NO way I said that Misha was a bad person. I said that what I understood from the whole situation is that Misha can have an intense personality and that could translate to some people as her being mean. Probably I didn't express myself well, and that's what caused ur disagreement in such a big grade. Of course I don't know how she is like. I don't know how anyone is like. It is just my view.

What do u mean when u say stereotyped? We are from different countries and the stereotypes are different. So that's definately not the case.

in these words: "I don't think she talks to other contestants in the most kind way (some people say things loud and try to show that they have the upper hand maybe because that's how they were raised and they believe that with this attitude will go forward" I was trying to explain intense the way I see it. In NO way I meant that was unacceptable. There are many people who are like this. Dynamic maybe could have been a better word for this. Sometimes it is good, sometimes it is bad. Some people can take it, some people can't.
That's all.

PS. "to push your statements about her as fact"
In NO WAY I tried to do that. I never try to push my statements as facts especially if i am to talk about a person I don't know.

Fair enough. It does seem to be lost in translation but i'd say that the dynamics of the contestant's relationships and interactions are still largely a mystery to the viewers. It'd be nice if people just judged on what they really saw on screen instead of trying to create a villainous persona around Misha that we have not been shown. Not saying you are doing this but your earlier explanation of her seemed as though it was extremely negative. I understand now that this is not what you meant so that's an end to it as far as I'm concerned.

Wait a sec... back up a bit. You're claiming that her saying "Sorry?" is evidence of rude and aggressive behaviour?

Wow. You're actually crazy. No wonder you think she's a bully if it's such a loose criteria to become one in your eyes.

Tulisa never said she was a bully so you're using a strawman argument there. But the pardon comment to Louie was definitely rude and shows Misha has no respect. Kind of like her mentor Kelly actually.

You are clutching at straws if you cannot tell the difference between two words and someone stating they cannot hear is not rude. I did not say Tulisa had used the word bully I said she was out of line. Louis and Tulisa's unprofessional comments,were a desperate attempt to torpedo Misha. I am sure they were hoping that the British public would turn on Misha but they have made themselves look bad and Louis should have offered more than a grovelling apology to Misha.

I don't know where you are from but it's pretty typical to say 'pardon' to mean excuse me in MCR. Much better than wha?? It's as simple as 'pardon me' also used if someone burps. I don't think you should let semantics cloud the truth.

How did Misha not hear what Louis said? The audience were totally quiet at the time and she had no problem hearing him when he was praising her just before. She must have been asking for clarification as to what he meant, not what he said.

The most simple of words can have very different meanings depending on the tone and intonation applied to them. Do I think Misha is a bully? No. Do I think she's rude? Yes, very much so.

I think it was a case of "I think I know what you said, but there's no way you'd say something so mean to me, so I'll say 'pardon' to be sure before I decide that I hate you forever."

E.g. If someone you regard as a friend says this to you.

Someone you regard as a friend: You're annoying.
You: *There's no way I heard that right.* Pardon?

^ It was more of that, I thought.

I have used this type of 'Pardon' many a times in my life. It's always a very sad feeling.

I've never heard it in the all the years I lived in MCR. You're lucky to get a "yer wot?".

I don't actually mind a stink-eye attitude. What I don't like is all the Misha apologists finding excuses for her uppity behaviour.

Tulisa did not actually call Misha a bully but she set the scene for Louis to call her one. And by focusing her comments on Misha she made it plain that she was to blame rather than the other girls - whereas I bet in reality it was six of one and half a dozen of the other. All this talk of 'bullying' in the X Factor house seems ridiculous to me, bickering and arguments between equals aren't bullying, bullying to me means that the bully has some power over the victim, maybe like a whole crowd of people ganging up on one person. The word is in danger of being devalued and becoming meaningless ...

BTW - what on earth is rude about saying 'Pardon'? I think it's actually quite polite

You are born and bred in the UK and have never heard the word pardon used when you cannot hear someone, your vocabulary must be limited. What kind of term is uppity, Misha is a singer on a talent show not a runaway slave, what a stupid thing to say. People with talent have confidence and self belief those that dont tend to feel intimidated by this.

Nope 'pardon' is a typical thing to say in MCR. It's completely innocuous and used when you simply didn't hear what someone said or you burped and want to excuse yourself. It is a polite gesture and as a child i'd be pulled up if I didn't use it when speaking to someone senior to me if I hadn't heard what they said. I could understand if she said 'what? I didn't quite hear you' but she didn't. Yeah 'bully and bullying' in reality TV terms is now a redundant phrase, most used in minor disagreements or when people are not articulate enough to counter opinions they don't agree with.

All the years you've lived in? So not from MCR then. Sorry but it's not uppity at all. If having a degree of manners and being brought up to say 'pardon' when you have misheard or not heard what someone has said to you is uppity, then I'm pleased to defend an uppity person. You have a pretty low opinion of Mancunians and if all you hear is 'yer wot' you might want to change the circles you're moving in.

Well I've lived in Manchester for years also and I think people use it when they are trying to be posh. Surely it's less rude than 'What?'

LOL! Well to be fair, she is not my favourite contestant, but I do think Misha's "pardon" was genuine. She also said it in the exact same way in the Xtra Factor when a caller asked her something and she didn't hear.

Tulisa rocks end off

At the end of the day at least she had the balls to tell Misha that to her face live, like hell Cheryl Tweedy would have done the same.

Tulisa is getting desperate she has two acts, one that will be leaving soon, it was dirty tactics on her part to get Misha out. I am glad it is getting her aggro and she has made herself look bad. Tulisa has come off looking unprofessional and a bully herself. I am sure she hoped Misha would be out (actually her face said that much when Mishas name was called).

But you're fine with allegations of aggression and bullying flying around. Heh.

Um. Misha is one person and rythmix are 4....

Some people are truly dangerous believing things they were not witness to because it backs up an irrational hatred. Thats a hideous mindset to have.

I feel sorry for anyone who gets one of these drama ho's on their jury in court. They'll be found guilty before any evidence is presented.

"GUILTY! BURN HIM!"
"Wait... that's not even the defendant!"
"LIES! BURN HIM!"

Oh, so it's used when people are trying to be.... uppity?

I can NOT believe someone whipped out the word "uppity". If you were in the US and said that to a black person's face, you would be in SO much trouble.

Again it's not a posh term, it just implies that the user was brought up with manners. I dislike the accusation that northerners can never be well spoken or bred and those of us that do have manners and express this in conversation are trying to be anything. Having lived in London now for a few years, I think more people could do with using terms like pardon. Pardon should be taken at face value and being from MCR born and bred, I think I know what terms are and are not used.