It makes me chuckle seeing the DS forums light up defending Misha about the alleged bullying, when the very same people are bullying Frankie. Some of the names that have been used on here to describe him are appalling. He's 18 for goodness sake, and is entitled to enjoy his life. He's been given an amazing opportunity and he's making the most of it.

His voice may not be as strong as others in the competition but he has bags of personality, and his performance has presence.

Both Robbie and Gary noted his stage presence which is why they chose him.

Since when has a good voice been the only thing worthy of winning the x factor? Ollie Murs doesn't have the best voice but got to the final on personality and presence, and well deserved too. Leona has an okay voice (not personally my cup of tea), but no personality. Cheryl Cole can't sing a note yet look at how far she's gone.

You can't tell me all rock stars have got good voices, but they sell their songs and have presence. This is a skill and I think Frankie has this.

His behaviour is also a lot better than the alleged "mean Misha", so why is he being pilloried?

He's always clapping fellow contestants, and handled himself so well when he was in the bottom 2. He was generous in wishing Nu Vibe luck and didn't sob or fall apart when it came to the judges' vote. He just stood there and calmly took it, as he did with the judges' comments last week.

He's also self depreciating - saying he deserved to be in the bottom 2 last week, and that he was gutted he didn't do as well as he wanted to this week and that he would be in the bottom 2.

It's a personal opinion and everyone is entitled to disagree, but what I don't think is acceptable is this blatant bullying of an 18 year old who has ambition. What's wrong with that??

The comments are personal and slanderous, so give him some slack. If you don't like him, don't vote for him, but stop being so personal to him on this forum. You don't know him after all.

If he wasn't in the show you wouldn't have anything to talk about on here, or are you just going to pick on someone else if he goes??

This will not end well.

Thanks for that!

100% agreed

"His voice may not be as strong as others..."

I'll say!

Best post of the week...it's time to give Frankie a chance...

"He has a right to enjoy his life" sorry for paraphrasing that, but I would respond by saying this. Of course he has a right to enjoy his life, and he is free to leave the competition and spend his time as he wishes. Drinking as much as he likes, getting off with as many girls as he likes.

Problem is, he is currently part of the X Factor competition and that's something he needs to take seriously. He's simply not as dedicated as the other contestants. You don't get to live the life of a rockstar, until you are a rockstar, and I just think its rich of him to be acting like he is when there are others working a lot harder to be where they are.

I dislike Frankie's voice but not the kid himself.


It's insulting to rock singers to suggest that they have sub par voices akin to Frankie's. Richard Hell, Iggy, The Ramones, Strummer, Lydon, Jagger etc etc sorry but their talent and voices are amazing, breathtaking and life changing. Frankie just cannot sing and is similar to Robbie Williams in the fact that the bravado and confidence vastly outweighs the talent they possess.

What i see in frankie is someone who has been given an opportunity that thousands of others would kill for, and he's sticking his two fingers up at them and his mentor, by not taking it seriously. That is not someone who deserves to be there.

First of all comments are not slanderous.

Second of all Frankie gets what Frankie gives. You obviously like his style. I do not. I find him a foul mouthed, disrespectful parasite and I have every right to say so.

The problems are not just about his place in the live finals (although why he was picked in the first place was because he was thought of as a cheeky chappy just like Olly).....X Factor isnt just about the voice, yore right, But most contestants can at least sing to some level.

We, as forum goers, do not know any of the contestants......we come here to comment on the show and the people who want to be on it. If they act in a manner that is deemed inappropriate, then people are going to talk about it.

I would suggest that if Frankie cannot handle reading a few alternative comments about himself then he is trying to get into the wrong business. If he can handle the comments and its only you that is having trouble then I would suggest you try the CeeBeeB's website instead.

I'd also say the same of some people who are against Misha from even before the bullying allegations. The irony is that some of the vitriol in their posts sound like they ought to go to the Advice forum and ask how to deal with their own anger issues.

^^^^ this

If you go on the X-Factor you have to know how you will be treated by the press, producers, general public and the anonymous munchkins of the internet. It's not rocket science, it's been the same for years and should come as no surprise.

If you go on the show, do things that you know will get peoples backs-up, expect a backlash.

He is reaping what he sows, simple as that. In the end, he won't give a damn about anything posted here, why would he? All this is publicity for him and his career, there is no such thing as bad press (Barnum) as a showman once said. If you want to be famous for being mediocre, you have to make yourself stand out which opens you up to ridicule but in the end only Frankie gains from any of this.

Ironic really, the negative comments, the dislike, the forum and facebook warriors ... all their negativity ultiomately only serves to increase Frankies net worth.

You cant bully someone on tv in an internet forum. Get a grip.

Some people here need a bite of a reality sandwich.

A huge majority of people want him off the show but there is no "eviction" vote so it is frustrating to see him still around. This frustration is building up and is getting expressed in stronger and stronger terms.

If he was an innocent kid then it would be bullying but he has set his stall out very clearly. "I'm a bad boy and I don't care what people think."

That is a challenge and people are rising to it. He could stop it in a moment if he either admitted he couldn't sing and left or buckled down and actually prepared his songs instead of insulting us by not bothering and getting the words wrong.

Of course he's having a great time, but can I make one thing very clear, because this is slowly permeating modern life and causing no end of aggro. Harsh criticism and a bit of name calling of somebody in the public eye is NOT bullying them. He is NOT being bullied by anybody here. At all. If you act the goat on TV, people who watch you are going to have their own thoughts on you and your ability / behaviour. He asked us to be on our TV's every week, we didn't ask him. So sure, he's making the most of it, but please, for the love of all that is holy. Stop. calling it. "bullying"

i sincerely apologise for all the nasty thoughts that I have had towards Frankie...I will say 3 Hail Marys

Lol!

I don't know Frankie personally; to be honest he comes across as an arrogant little gobsh*te and in a few years, if my daughter wanted to go out with him I would have serious reservations.

There doesn't seem to be anything likeable about him but my main objection to him is that he's still in the X Factor despite the fact that he has an absolutely appalling voice, and he doesn't seem to be appreciating the opportunity one bit as he's more interested in going out and pulling girls than he is in knuckling down, learning his lyrics, and trying to improve his vocals.

That is not me bullying him, that is my opinion to which I am entitled, OP. And it's a whole lot less vitriolic than a lot of the nastiness that's been aimed at Janet, purely because some people don't like her voice.

I think thats a valid point there a alot of people sticking up for Misha who are saying far worse about Frankie.

Every other thread seems to be how ghastly he is..

There actually a thread about which venereal disease he should get.

Thats not nice.

On what basis do you think that Frankie has the skills to sell his songs. Is it on the basis that he has no songs to sell? He's doing bad karaoke! He is making an arse of himself trying to sing songs previously written and performed correctly by real artists. Screaming into a microphone whilst gurning into the wrong camera does not equate to 'presence' in my book.

Seriously, the kid is being used and manipulated. He does not realise what an awful mess he is looking and I hope they have a plan for looking after him after he is booted off the show.

Bullying is a word that has been thrown around to the point where it has lost it's value and it just makes it harder for genuine victims of bullying to be taken seriously. The X-Factor is an entertainment show where everything is exaggerated. Contestants have one or two aspects of their personality magnified and almost become caricatures, rather than real people. It's these personality traits that evoke a reaction from the public.

Everyone gossips and everyone is gossiped about. It's just a fact of life. The only difference between a contestant on the show and a "normal" person, is that the contestant can chose to read what people are saying about them if they wish. Anyone who listens in to what people say about them is asking for a whole heap of upset. What we say on the forums is like what we would say when talking with a bunch of friends. Most of it is harmless and unless someone showed sings of seriously wanting to hunt down a contestant and cause them real harm, I take it with a pinch of salt.

For those who say they don't gossip or never utter a mean word about anyone, I call BS. If someone asks you how your day went, it's impossible to give an accurate recount without being negative about anyone. It's normal for people to wind us up and get on our nerves. Having a bitch and moan about them is harmless. You get it off your chest and then go about your business.

It's only bullying if you go up to someone and start having a go at them, either verbally or physically. I slag off contestants all the time but I would never do it to their face. Does this make me a hypocrite? No. Of course not. It simply means that while they annoy me and I express this, I realise that they are not really causing any harm and I have no reason to try and systemactically destroy them.

I bet that tonight there are a few people who are annoyed with me and are probably having a good bitch about me. Does this mean that I am being bullied? Of course not. I don't know what they are saying so it's harmless. If tomorrow I went into work and a bunch of people decided to pull me aside and lay into me under the guise of "telling it like it is", and they did that on a regular basis, then yes, I would consider it bullying.

Anyways, the way I see it is that people are annoying and if you have a bitch and moan about them behind their backs but take it no further, that's fine. If you set out to cause someone distress or take delight in destroying someone's self esteem, then you are a bully.

Frankie is irritating as hell and not someone I would be friends with in real life. I actually liked him in his first audition as he seemed like a cheeky but harmless chappy. Since then, it's like he is playing a role and he's coming across as an even bigger arse everytime he opens his mouth. In his VT he slagged Louis off and that was really disrespectful. I would struggle to find any sympathy for him becuase he gets slagged off on the internet.

He's on the show to be judged, and judged he has been. End of.

and what planet are you on exactly? if you are going to post something like thus at least get your facts right? :yawn:

I agree with you.

It is alright for people to say "I don't like Frankie" or "I don't think he is good at singing" but by God the things that people say on here are absolutely crazy.
I agree that sometimes his personality can be a bit out of hand, and that he can be rude .. but aren't we all? You'd swear that everyone here was perfect and they were looking down at him for having an attitude THAT WE ALL HAVE.

I don't even like Frankie, I'm just using him as an example.
But the more people hate on him, the more I like him strangely enough.

Well said OP, The Frankie hate on this thread has crossed the line. Mods need to intervene in this, its beyond ridiculous and its out of control, how Frankie hate has become a favourite hobby of 99% of people on this site. Sometimes I think some people on here do some serious harm this kid if they ever had the chance.


Its one thing to critique a contestant as an artist, and to attack them personally to such a level that crosses the line in both.......


But but OP I dont like your little jibe on Misha there... it doesnt help the cause in any way