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Bullying and DS Posters - Take Note
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Littlegreen42
24-10-2011
The contestants enter these competitions knowing they are in the public spectrum ready to be judged, ridiculed etc etc
As long as people don't get nasty or personal it shouldn't really matter. Frankie i suspect is loving the attention.
ArsenalX
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by ausfun:
“You cant bully someone on tv in an internet forum. Get a grip.

Some people here need a bite of a reality sandwich.”

Ever heard of internet bullying.......? Lots of people have lost their life over this kind bullying.

The things that people call this kid here are beyond gross and disgusting. It says a lot about them than it does about Frankie. Peoplare allowed to critique frankie and others, but Jeez a line has been crossed ......
Mr Blonde
24-10-2011
DS Posters...where can I buy some?...House needs redecorating...
broadshoulder
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by mary patricia:
“Everyone gossips and everyone is gossiped about. It's just a fact of life. The only difference between a contestant on the show and a "normal" person, is that the contestant can chose to read what people are saying about them if they wish. Anyone who listens in to what people say about them is asking for a whole heap of upset. What we say on the forums is like what we would say when talking with a bunch of friends. Most of it is harmless and unless someone showed sings of seriously wanting to hunt down a contestant and cause them real harm, I take it with a pinch of salt.

For those who say they don't gossip or never utter a mean word about anyone, I call BS. If someone asks you how your day went, it's impossible to give an accurate recount without being negative about anyone. It's normal for people to wind us up and get on our nerves. Having a bitch and moan about them is harmless. You get it off your chest and then go about your business.

It's only bullying if you go up to someone and start having a go at them, either verbally or physically. I slag off contestants all the time but I would never do it to their face. Does this make me a hypocrite? No. Of course not. It simply means that while they annoy me and I express this, I realise that they are not really causing any harm and I have no reason to try and systemactically destroy them.

I bet that tonight there are a few people who are annoyed with me and are probably having a good bitch about me. Does this mean that I am being bullied? Of course not. I don't know what they are saying so it's harmless. If tomorrow I went into work and a bunch of people decided to pull me aside and lay into me under the guise of "telling it like it is", and they did that on a regular basis, then yes, I would consider it bullying.

Anyways, the way I see it is that people are annoying and if you have a bitch and moan about them behind their backs but take it no further, that's fine. If you set out to cause someone distress or take delight in destroying someone's self esteem, then you are a bully.

t.”

Your self justification for the harrying of this lad is quite nauseating. its attitudes like that which led to a gang of girls beating up a girl in a reality programme.

Its pure h8te and you should be ashamed. You obviously dont know or care when you cross the line.
labasheedy
24-10-2011
I've been disgusted at the language hurled at Frankie

To be honest it says more about the poster than it does of Frankie.

He's a kid!
An 18 year old kid, who has been told he's a pop star by Gary Barlow. Gary told him he wanted him to be the bad boy.

Then they have wheeled him into the stylist to have his hair and outfits done.

That's for your post OP.
Lizzy11268
24-10-2011
Some of the things said about Frankie are just plain mean. But its not bullying. If you were to follow him round yelling insults at him that might be different.

Having said that, those posters who choose to be vile towards Frankie are no better themselves than bullies. Both sets of people are bottom feeders of the worst order.
Foul
24-10-2011
Thos post is the most dumb use off the word "bullying" ive seen in years
Herts47
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by ArsenalX:
“Well said OP, The Frankie hate on this thread has crossed the line. Mods need to intervene in this, its beyond ridiculous and its out of control, how Frankie hate has become a favourite hobby of 99% of people on this site. Sometimes I think some people on here do some serious harm this kid if they ever had the chance.


Its one thing to critique a contestant as an artist, and to attack them personally to such a level that crosses the line in both.......


But but OP I dont like your little jibe on Misha there... it doesnt help the cause in any way”

I can assure you I wasn't having a jibe at Misha. I was quoting "Mean Misha" in inverted commas as this is what has been said on this forum. This is not my opinion. I used Misha as an example of how posters are defending her but at the same time being vile about Frankie.
labasheedy
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by ausfun:
“You cant bully someone on tv in an internet forum. Get a grip.

Some people here need a bite of a reality sandwich.”

Try googling Bullying on the internet.
You need a wake up call.

Did you ever stop to think he, or maybe his family might read the disgusting stuff you are saying? What if were your brother, or your son that we are all talking about here? Would that matter?
abarthman
24-10-2011
The opening post reminds me of Chris Crocker's "Leave Britney Alone" video!

Leave Frankie Alone!
gemsmummy
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by Herts47:
“It makes me chuckle seeing the DS forums light up defending Misha about the alleged bullying, when the very same people are bullying Frankie. Some of the names that have been used on here to describe him are appalling. He's 18 for goodness sake, and is entitled to enjoy his life. He's been given an amazing opportunity and he's making the most of it.

His voice may not be as strong as others in the competition but he has bags of personality, and his performance has presence.

Both Robbie and Gary noted his stage presence which is why they chose him.

Since when has a good voice been the only thing worthy of winning the x factor? Ollie Murs doesn't have the best voice but got to the final on personality and presence, and well deserved too. Leona has an okay voice (not personally my cup of tea), but no personality. Cheryl Cole can't sing a note yet look at how far she's gone.

You can't tell me all rock stars have got good voices, but they sell their songs and have presence. This is a skill and I think Frankie has this.

His behaviour is also a lot better than the alleged "mean Misha", so why is he being pilloried?

He's always clapping fellow contestants, and handled himself so well when he was in the bottom 2. He was generous in wishing Nu Vibe luck and didn't sob or fall apart when it came to the judges' vote. He just stood there and calmly took it, as he did with the judges' comments last week.

He's also self depreciating - saying he deserved to be in the bottom 2 last week, and that he was gutted he didn't do as well as he wanted to this week and that he would be in the bottom 2.

It's a personal opinion and everyone is entitled to disagree, but what I don't think is acceptable is this blatant bullying of an 18 year old who has ambition. What's wrong with that??

The comments are personal and slanderous, so give him some slack. If you don't like him, don't vote for him, but stop being so personal to him on this forum. You don't know him after all.

If he wasn't in the show you wouldn't have anything to talk about on here, or are you just going to pick on someone else if he goes??”

No one is bullying this sad little boy, they are pissed off with him that he is not taking this contest seriously, he said himself he is in it for the 'birds', he has no talent, he knows it, so does Barlow, but seeing as Frankies family are good friends with Jason Orange,well Barlow has to go along with the whole act. The act's that are still there and those who have gone, take this contest seriously, unlike that detestable little oik.
mirrorimage
24-10-2011
Originally Posted by labasheedy:
“Try googling Bullying on the internet.
You need a wake up call.

Did you ever stop to think he, or maybe his family might read the disgusting stuff you are saying? What if were your brother, or your son that we are all talking about here? Would that matter?”

How would that be any different from a member of his family walking past a group of people in the street and overhearing them talking about Frankie or giving him a bit of a bashing as part of their discussion about last night's TV? How could anyone describe such behaviour as "bullying Frankie" ? It's ridiculous.
Nswaki
24-10-2011
3 words.... he cant sing.....end of..... but i aggree some users can get nasty on here but thats because 70-80% of them are numptys......
D. Morgan
25-10-2011
I love 'he's 18' argument, therefore we must ignore the fact that he is an irritating smug ****.

So if he was 30, would it be OK to dislike him?

He wants the fame, he's got it. Just not how he expected.
LittleTinker
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“Your self justification for the harrying of this lad is quite nauseating. its attitudes like that which led to a gang of girls beating up a girl in a reality programme.

Its pure h8te and you should be ashamed. You obviously dont know or care when you cross the line.”

The poster you quoted was saying the exact opposite of what you have written!!

She was not condoning bullying in the slightest.....far from it.
It looks to me as though you have half read that post and decided that the poster is 'defending bullying'. Perhaps you should read it again and open your brain to whats being said.

She said nothing that could be considered hateful whatsoever.
Satnavvy
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by Herts47:
“It makes me chuckle seeing the DS forums light up defending Misha about the alleged bullying, when the very same people are bullying Frankie. Some of the names that have been used on here to describe him are appalling. He's 18 for goodness sake, and is entitled to enjoy his life. He's been given an amazing opportunity and he's making the most of it.

His voice may not be as strong as others in the competition but he has bags of personality, and his performance has presence.

Both Robbie and Gary noted his stage presence which is why they chose him.

Since when has a good voice been the only thing worthy of winning the x factor? Ollie Murs doesn't have the best voice but got to the final on personality and presence, and well deserved too. Leona has an okay voice (not personally my cup of tea), but no personality. Cheryl Cole can't sing a note yet look at how far she's gone.

You can't tell me all rock stars have got good voices, but they sell their songs and have presence. This is a skill and I think Frankie has this.

His behaviour is also a lot better than the alleged "mean Misha", so why is he being pilloried?

He's always clapping fellow contestants, and handled himself so well when he was in the bottom 2. He was generous in wishing Nu Vibe luck and didn't sob or fall apart when it came to the judges' vote. He just stood there and calmly took it, as he did with the judges' comments last week.

He's also self depreciating - saying he deserved to be in the bottom 2 last week, and that he was gutted he didn't do as well as he wanted to this week and that he would be in the bottom 2.

It's a personal opinion and everyone is entitled to disagree, but what I don't think is acceptable is this blatant bullying of an 18 year old who has ambition. What's wrong with that??

The comments are personal and slanderous, so give him some slack. If you don't like him, don't vote for him, but stop being so personal to him on this forum. You don't know him after all.

If he wasn't in the show you wouldn't have anything to talk about on here, or are you just going to pick on someone else if he goes??”

What a load of pompous twaddle
LittleTinker
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by labasheedy:
“Try googling Bullying on the internet.
You need a wake up call.

Did you ever stop to think he, or maybe his family might read the disgusting stuff you are saying? What if were your brother, or your son that we are all talking about here? Would that matter?”

Bullying on the Internet really isnt possible but to have a near enough go at it heres an example of what it would be.

Lets say that I am the one who is being bullied in the XFactorFans Forum.

I log in.....several other members whisper to each other "Ive just seen that cow log on". Then, every post I make gets nasty, vicious comments made about it. I get sent private messages telling me all kinds of nasty things. Any time I join in a discussion, I am ridiculed, laughed at, poked fun at and told I am stupid and the girls doing it do their best to let other members know how much they think I'm a nasty person.....trying their best to turn anyone and everyone against me.

THAT would be the nearest thing you could get to Internet Bullying. Even so.......when it boils down to it, I could just as easily log out of the forum and go elsewhere than to stay and listen to the bullying girls and that is where the massive difference is.

Someone being really bullied is unable to stay away from the bully because they either go to the same school or they work with them and it is very difficult to keep away from them because doing so would stop you doing what you have to do (go to school/work)

No-one is being bullied if they can just switch off and walk away never to see them again.

Friends and family are all informed by the TV company that they are likely to read and see unpleasant things about their loved ones and that they need to prepare for it because it comes with the territory.

They have a choice of whether or not to buy a newspaper that has an X Factor review in it or go to a public discussion forum where people are talking about the show and its contestants. If they do choose to pop into DS or buy the Sun then they have noone to blame but themselves if they read unsavoury comments about someone they love......that kind of thing comes with the job of 'Pop Star' and you can never get away from it.

Friends and family who choose to come here are most certainly NOT being bullied.....any suggestion that they are or even that Frankie is is ridiculous....and as others have said, it takes away the seriousnous of real bullying.....the word is branded around too frequently.
Herts47
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by Satnavvy:
“What a load of pompous twaddle”

What an intelligent argument you've given.
Satnavvy
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by Herts47:
“What an intelligent argument you've given.”

I can't be bothered to give the rubbish you wrote the time to dismantle your weak arguments line by line:yawn:
galena
25-10-2011
IMO comments made on a celebrity on a internet forum might be rude but they cannot be considered bullying as I understand the word. We don't even know Frankie and I doubt he even knows what is being said about him. Bullying suggests to me that firstly the bully or bullies have a certain power over the victim - maybe a boss, teacher a bigger kid or a gang of kids against one, that they actually know the victim and that they are trying their best to make his/her life miserable by their behaviour. Not one of these things relates to any comments made on this forum ...
Satnavvy
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by galena:
“IMO comments made on a celebrity on a internet forum might be rude but they cannot be considered bullying as I understand the word. We don't even know Frankie and I doubt he even knows what is being said about him. Bullying suggests to me that firstly the bully or bullies have a certain power over the victim - maybe a boss, teacher a bigger kid or a gang of kids against one, that they actually know the victim and that they are trying their best to make his/her life miserable by their behaviour. Not one of these things relates to any comments made on this forum ...”

Well said
Rosie Red
25-10-2011
If he wants to go out and shag anything that moves, and have his backside covered in tattoos, good luck to him - but if he wants to win a high profile talent show he should be seen, at least occasionally, to be knuckling down and working towards it.

And it would help if he could sing, so that he wouldn't be seen as depriving someone who can.
Jem411
25-10-2011
Delusional.
mary patricia
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by LittleTinker:
“The poster you quoted was saying the exact opposite of what you have written!!

She was not condoning bullying in the slightest.....far from it.
It looks to me as though you have half read that post and decided that the poster is 'defending bullying'. Perhaps you should read it again and open your brain to whats being said.

She said nothing that could be considered hateful whatsoever.”

Thanks. I'm glad you could see the truth in what I was saying. Under no circumstances do I support gangs of girls beating anyone up or anyone taking it upon themselves to hurt someone, physically or mentally. There is a world of difference between people bitching about Frankie on a forum and properly bullying him in real life.
mary patricia
25-10-2011
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“Your self justification for the harrying of this lad is quite nauseating. its attitudes like that which led to a gang of girls beating up a girl in a reality programme.

Its pure h8te and you should be ashamed. You obviously dont know or care when you cross the line.”

You really need to go back and read the post properly. I know where the line is. Moaning about someone on a forum is a far cry from beating someone up in real life.
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