Tainted forever? Just a glitch in their careers? Or will they rebound in the coming weeks?
Who will regret X Factor 2011 more? Gary or Kelly?
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Tulisa, most likely.
There are no real negative consequences for Gary or Kelly. At worst, Gary goes back to to Take That, with his gaggle of adoring housewive fans still worshipping him as a God, and selling out stadiums tours and millions of albums. Sorted.
Kelly's life is not really affected by X-Factor. What the UK tabloid print about her won't really affect her star status, as she's been around too long. She can go back to her life as a jet-setting international star, capable of having world-wide smash hits like "When Love Takes Over" or US chart hits like "Motivation". Sorted.
Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole.
Gary and Kelly are sorted. They are doing X-Factor because they can, not because they need to.
There are no real negative consequences for Gary or Kelly. At worst, Gary goes back to to Take That, with his gaggle of adoring housewive fans still worshipping him as a God, and selling out stadiums tours and millions of albums. Sorted.
Kelly's life is not really affected by X-Factor. What the UK tabloid print about her won't really affect her star status, as she's been around too long. She can go back to her life as a jet-setting international star, capable of having world-wide smash hits like "When Love Takes Over" or US chart hits like "Motivation". Sorted.
Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole.
Gary and Kelly are sorted. They are doing X-Factor because they can, not because they need to.
Kelly. I think this will be her last year.
I think Tulisa is currently struggling but will learn from the experience and come back stronger.
Gary, I suspect, loves his new notoriety. He is the 'Mr Blonde' of the judges line up.
I think Tulisa is currently struggling but will learn from the experience and come back stronger.
Gary, I suspect, loves his new notoriety. He is the 'Mr Blonde' of the judges line up.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole..”
“Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole..”
The thread is on 'regretting' X Factor though - the others might regret taking part but trying and failing won't mean she'd 'regret' it.
Anyway - is Tulisa even working on a solo career atm? I don't think shes using X Factor to boost her self as a solo artist. More as a job as a judge tbh.
So anyway - on the actual OP - I think Gary 'might' - its looking a bit of a chore for him, and Kelly is obviously annoyed that someone is older than her and someone is younger than her. So am sure shes very irritated
But overall they might regret it - but no 'career ending' stuff.
I get the impression that Gary is regretting it already. Don't know if it will "taint" his career though, that seems kinda unlikely. 
Kelly. She has made up her mind to leave already I bet.
Gary I suspect is loving it, he said as much from the start.
Gary I suspect is loving it, he said as much from the start.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole.”
“Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole.”
N-Dubz haven't split up, they're taking time apart to do solo stuff for the time being, but are definitely still together.
Anyway, I doubt Tulisa will regret it most, I think come the end of the series, it'll have benefited her more than Kelly or Gary. She may be under scrutiny now, but that's just pantomime X Factor drama which people forget about a few weeks later. Remember when Dannii made "that" comment to Danyl? She was cruficied for about a week and all was forgiven and forgotten pretty sharpish.
Originally Posted by Smiirky:
“Gary, it's tarnished any reputation he had left, I think.”
“Gary, it's tarnished any reputation he had left, I think.”
It's tarnished so much that he won a "Q Award" the other day for song writing and is still respected amongs his peers.
Originally Posted by bouncer11:
“It's tarnished so much that he won a "Q Award" the other day for song writing and is still respected amongs his peers.”
“It's tarnished so much that he won a "Q Award" the other day for song writing and is still respected amongs his peers.”
And yet he's still supporting Frankie. No respect from me.
Kelly will be fine. In my opinion, Kelly knows what she's talking about as a judge but she's so much better than a crappy show like this. Gary has proven he knows nothing...he picked Frankie for starters and he doesn't have a clue how to mentor Marcus and Craig...given them the wrong songs every week. He should stick to song writing, but in my opinion, he's not even amazing at that. He's written a hell of a lot of songs, but a lot of them are crap. He's lost a lot of respect.
i agree with boxfresh. i can't see it harming either gary or kelly's careers. certainly not gary's - take that since the reformation has been like they've been drinking from the holy grail! he'll go back to them and suddenly he'll be gary barlow of take that again. the 4 guys fit together. if mark owen confessing to being a womanising alcoholic who slept with both random nameless, faceless women while on tour, aswell as carrying on a drawn out affair with another woman for the same amount of time that he was with wife including sleeping with her the week after his daughter was born and even the week before he got married can't do anything to damage them, then i think they'll be ok! (plus there's all the charity stuff he does too, like the kilimanjaro climb or the upcoming children in need concert. stuff like that that he does that leaves x factor in the distance.)
as for kelly - she has as international career fgs. no one in america is going to be too concerned about how she's done on x factor uk (heck, i doubt anyone in america would care how she's done if she were on x factor usa!!!). as far as the uk goes - believe it or not, i think she's quite well liked outside of here. people find her annoying sometimes, but not many people scrutinise everything to the detail that it is on here. besides, she has her talent to pull her through. another hit like "when love takes over" people will be like "what? x factor? oh yeah..."
for gary and kelly, the x factor is not the highlight of their careers, and i doubt they'll stumble much away from it. for tulisa though, for MOST people, the x factor is sort of the only reason she's known, and for the people who knew her before, it was as that bratty mouthed chav that hung about with the idiot in the hat. now that she's on x factor, she's had a total make over, people are now aware of her, and she's now only planning to go for a solo career. it's provided her with that platform, so she needs it - certainly much more than anyone else. it would be a trillion times more difficult for her to establish a solo career without it. that theory is sort of backed up by the amount of slagging off her and n dubz gave it before (and in dappy's case, actually even when) she joined.
so in short (ie not another essay!), while gary and kelly MIGHT regret the decision to do it, it's probably more so a nuisance to them than anything else. a contract that needs fullfilled. it's not going to destroy them or anything. tulisa i don't think regrets it. not if she plans on using it as a platform.
as for kelly - she has as international career fgs. no one in america is going to be too concerned about how she's done on x factor uk (heck, i doubt anyone in america would care how she's done if she were on x factor usa!!!). as far as the uk goes - believe it or not, i think she's quite well liked outside of here. people find her annoying sometimes, but not many people scrutinise everything to the detail that it is on here. besides, she has her talent to pull her through. another hit like "when love takes over" people will be like "what? x factor? oh yeah..."
for gary and kelly, the x factor is not the highlight of their careers, and i doubt they'll stumble much away from it. for tulisa though, for MOST people, the x factor is sort of the only reason she's known, and for the people who knew her before, it was as that bratty mouthed chav that hung about with the idiot in the hat. now that she's on x factor, she's had a total make over, people are now aware of her, and she's now only planning to go for a solo career. it's provided her with that platform, so she needs it - certainly much more than anyone else. it would be a trillion times more difficult for her to establish a solo career without it. that theory is sort of backed up by the amount of slagging off her and n dubz gave it before (and in dappy's case, actually even when) she joined.
so in short (ie not another essay!), while gary and kelly MIGHT regret the decision to do it, it's probably more so a nuisance to them than anything else. a contract that needs fullfilled. it's not going to destroy them or anything. tulisa i don't think regrets it. not if she plans on using it as a platform.
Originally Posted by Smiirky:
“And yet he's still supporting Frankie. No respect from me.”
“And yet he's still supporting Frankie. No respect from me.”
FFS he's just doing his job as a mentor, the same as they all do and have done in the past.
Though I'm not sure how he'll cope once he finds out he's lost your respect.
Originally Posted by bouncer11:
“It's tarnished so much that he won a "Q Award" the other day for song writing and is still respected amongs his peers.”
“It's tarnished so much that he won a "Q Award" the other day for song writing and is still respected amongs his peers.”
this. x factor is panto in the here and now, but outside of it, gary's still highly respected, and once he's finished with it, it's not going to be what people think of.
plus, shocking as it is, DS opinion is not that of the greater public, where gary actually seems to be the favourite judge. he normally tops the polls for that, and i'm a frequent user of public transport. i often hear a LOT of conversations from people around me about the x factor, and most seem to really like gary. from what i've gathered in general, they seem to hate frankie, but like gary and his decisions/comments in general. also, the fact that he's looking bloody good ain't hurting him!
tulisa came under a lot of fire last week for the whole misha thing, and for her song choices. it's mostly louis though that people seem to complain about and say "he needs to go". (he won't, but that's what they say)
(of course, i haven't done any studies or anything, but like i say, i use public transport extremely frequently, and in hairdressers, ques etc, if i hear people talking to each other about it that's the general grain of how it goes)
Originally Posted by scamrasc:
“i agree with boxfresh. i can't see it harming either gary or kelly's careers. certainly not gary's - take that since the reformation has been like they've been drinking from the holy grail! he'll go back to them and suddenly he'll be gary barlow of take that again. the 4 guys fit together. if mark owen confessing to being a womanising alcoholic who slept with both random nameless, faceless women while on tour, aswell as carrying on a drawn out affair with another woman for the same amount of time that he was with wife including sleeping with her the week after his daughter was born and even the week before he got married can't do anything to damage them, then i think they'll be ok! (plus there's all the charity stuff he does too, like the kilimanjaro climb or the upcoming children in need concert. stuff like that that he does that leaves x factor in the distance.)
as for kelly - she has as international career fgs. no one in america is going to be too concerned about how she's done on x factor uk (heck, i doubt anyone in america would care how she's done if she were on x factor usa!!!). as far as the uk goes - believe it or not, i think she's quite well liked outside of here. people find her annoying sometimes, but not many people scrutinise everything to the detail that it is on here. besides, she has her talent to pull her through. another hit like "when love takes over" people will be like "what? x factor? oh yeah..."
for gary and kelly, the x factor is not the highlight of their careers, and i doubt they'll stumble much away from it. for tulisa though, for MOST people, the x factor is sort of the only reason she's known, and for the people who knew her before, it was as that bratty mouthed chav that hung about with the idiot in the hat. now that she's on x factor, she's had a total make over, people are now aware of her, and she's now only planning to go for a solo career. it's provided her with that platform, so she needs it - certainly much more than anyone else. it would be a trillion times more difficult for her to establish a solo career without it. that theory is sort of backed up by the amount of slagging off her and n dubz gave it before (and in dappy's case, actually even when) she joined.
so in short (ie not another essay!), while gary and kelly MIGHT regret the decision to do it, it's probably more so a nuisance to them than anything else. a contract that needs fullfilled. it's not going to destroy them or anything. tulisa i don't think regrets it. not if she plans on using it as a platform.”
“i agree with boxfresh. i can't see it harming either gary or kelly's careers. certainly not gary's - take that since the reformation has been like they've been drinking from the holy grail! he'll go back to them and suddenly he'll be gary barlow of take that again. the 4 guys fit together. if mark owen confessing to being a womanising alcoholic who slept with both random nameless, faceless women while on tour, aswell as carrying on a drawn out affair with another woman for the same amount of time that he was with wife including sleeping with her the week after his daughter was born and even the week before he got married can't do anything to damage them, then i think they'll be ok! (plus there's all the charity stuff he does too, like the kilimanjaro climb or the upcoming children in need concert. stuff like that that he does that leaves x factor in the distance.)
as for kelly - she has as international career fgs. no one in america is going to be too concerned about how she's done on x factor uk (heck, i doubt anyone in america would care how she's done if she were on x factor usa!!!). as far as the uk goes - believe it or not, i think she's quite well liked outside of here. people find her annoying sometimes, but not many people scrutinise everything to the detail that it is on here. besides, she has her talent to pull her through. another hit like "when love takes over" people will be like "what? x factor? oh yeah..."
for gary and kelly, the x factor is not the highlight of their careers, and i doubt they'll stumble much away from it. for tulisa though, for MOST people, the x factor is sort of the only reason she's known, and for the people who knew her before, it was as that bratty mouthed chav that hung about with the idiot in the hat. now that she's on x factor, she's had a total make over, people are now aware of her, and she's now only planning to go for a solo career. it's provided her with that platform, so she needs it - certainly much more than anyone else. it would be a trillion times more difficult for her to establish a solo career without it. that theory is sort of backed up by the amount of slagging off her and n dubz gave it before (and in dappy's case, actually even when) she joined.
so in short (ie not another essay!), while gary and kelly MIGHT regret the decision to do it, it's probably more so a nuisance to them than anything else. a contract that needs fullfilled. it's not going to destroy them or anything. tulisa i don't think regrets it. not if she plans on using it as a platform.”
I knew her before and I'm a massive N-Dubz fan, I didn't see her as a "bratty mouthed chav" I knew her as the talented singer out of N-Dubz, and personally I don't think she needs it as much as Kelly.
N-Dubz have had continuing & growing success up untill they split, Dappy's had a #1 meaning the group obviously had a fan base of sorts. And the group themselves have had numerous hit singles and 3 top 10 platinum selling albums.. Not bad for a bunch of "chavs"
Kelly on the other hand... Well in the UK she's flopped, Commander was her only solo hit in recent years, the follow-up "Forever & A Day" flopped... She's not that big in the US otherwise she'd be on there version, the fact she is on ours shows where her biggest market is. I think the X Factor could (if she keeps going the way she's currently going) ruin her. Without the X Factor to perform her latest single on I'm certain it'd also flop... Without this contest she'll always be in Beyonce's shadow (not that she's had much success recently either).
Originally Posted by JordanC55:
“I knew her before and I'm a massive N-Dubz fan, I didn't see her as a "bratty mouthed chav" I knew her as the talented singer out of N-Dubz, and personally I don't think she needs it as much as Kelly.
N-Dubz have had continuing & growing success up untill they split, Dappy's had a #1 meaning the group obviously had a fan base of sorts. And the group themselves have had numerous hit singles and 3 top 10 platinum selling albums.. Not bad for a bunch of "chavs"
Kelly on the other hand... Well in the UK she's flopped, Commander was her only solo hit in recent years, the follow-up "Forever & A Day" flopped... She's not that big in the US otherwise she'd be on there version, the fact she is on ours shows where her biggest market is. I think the X Factor could (if she keeps going the way she's currently going) ruin her. Without the X Factor to perform her latest single on I'm certain it'd also flop... Without this contest she'll always be in Beyonce's shadow (not that she's had much success recently either).”
“I knew her before and I'm a massive N-Dubz fan, I didn't see her as a "bratty mouthed chav" I knew her as the talented singer out of N-Dubz, and personally I don't think she needs it as much as Kelly.
N-Dubz have had continuing & growing success up untill they split, Dappy's had a #1 meaning the group obviously had a fan base of sorts. And the group themselves have had numerous hit singles and 3 top 10 platinum selling albums.. Not bad for a bunch of "chavs"
Kelly on the other hand... Well in the UK she's flopped, Commander was her only solo hit in recent years, the follow-up "Forever & A Day" flopped... She's not that big in the US otherwise she'd be on there version, the fact she is on ours shows where her biggest market is. I think the X Factor could (if she keeps going the way she's currently going) ruin her. Without the X Factor to perform her latest single on I'm certain it'd also flop... Without this contest she'll always be in Beyonce's shadow (not that she's had much success recently either).”
that bit in bold says it all. you're her fan - of course you therefore both know and like her! i'm talking about in general. ie the public at large - excluding fans. no one knew who she was!
edit: woah! they had 3 albums???!!! are you serious? WHEN? i know "number 1", "playing with fire"....i'm sure there's another one i know but i can't really think of it right now, sorry...
and concerning kelly, i'm not in anyway saying she's huge, but she has had nore success than you're making out. she's hardly a flop. alothough i do agree that her hits all seem to be collaborations. though, wasn't motivation no.1 in america?
Originally Posted by JordanC55:
“Kelly on the other hand... Well in the UK she's flopped, Commander was her only solo hit in recent years, the follow-up "Forever & A Day" flopped... She's not that big in the US otherwise she'd be on there version, the fact she is on ours shows where her biggest market is. I think the X Factor could (if she keeps going the way she's currently going) ruin her. Without the X Factor to perform her latest single on I'm certain it'd also flop... Without this contest she'll always be in Beyonce's shadow (not that she's had much success recently either).”
“Kelly on the other hand... Well in the UK she's flopped, Commander was her only solo hit in recent years, the follow-up "Forever & A Day" flopped... She's not that big in the US otherwise she'd be on there version, the fact she is on ours shows where her biggest market is. I think the X Factor could (if she keeps going the way she's currently going) ruin her. Without the X Factor to perform her latest single on I'm certain it'd also flop... Without this contest she'll always be in Beyonce's shadow (not that she's had much success recently either).”
LOL!
What are you on about. Kelly consistently has high charting hit singles in the UK, despite not having the biggest profile or being in the UK media constantly. Which is amazing, when you come to think of it. Kelly released 2 singles in the UK from her 2007 album, Ms Kelly..."Like This" and "Work". Both charted at #4 in the UK singles charts. There are big UK artists that can't manage Kelly's chart consistency in the UK...and she's been doing it here since 2002.
She's only had one album since Ms Kelly, which has yet to even have an official UK release. Kelly is taking a dual strategy in terms of singles that she promotes internationally and in America. While Motivation might be available on i-tunes in the UK, she's made absolutely no effort to promote or prerform it anywhere in the UK, as she doesn't think it's the right type of song for this market. When she does promote a song in the UK (ie, Commander), it usually goes top 10.
And she's the one that made "When Love Takes Over" a hit in the UK, not David Guetta (whom was just an unknown Euro-DJ to the British public at the time). In fact, I'd almost say Kelly is responsible for making Guetta as big as he is today. All those US R&B and hip-hop stars that are featuring on all his songs now, only started ringing him up when they saw what he did with Kelly (Guetta has commented on it, as have artists like 50 Cent). They knew if Guetta could work well with an R&B star like Kelly, then they could all get in on the Euro-dance act without looking foolish.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“LOL!
What are you on about. Kelly consistently has high charting hit singles in the UK, despite not having the biggest profile or being in the UK media constantly. Which is amazing, when you come to think of it. Kelly released 2 singles in the UK from her 2007 album, Ms Kelly..."Like This" and "Work". Both charted at #4 in the UK singles charts. There are big UK artists that can't manage Kelly's chart consistency in the UK...and she's been doing it here since 2002.
She's only had one album since Ms Kelly, which has yet to even have an official UK release. Kelly is taking a dual strategy in terms of singles that she promotes internationally and in America. While Motivation might be available on i-tunes in the UK, she's made absolutely no effort to promote or prerform it anywhere in the UK, as she doesn't think it's the right type of song for this market. When she does promote a song in the UK (ie, Commander), it usually goes top 10.
And she's the one that made "When Love Takes Over" a hit, not David Guetta (whom was just an unkown Euro-DJ to the British public at the time). In fact, I'd almost say Kelly is responsible for making Guetta as big as he is today. All those US R&B and hip-hop stars that a featuring on all his songs now, only started ringing him up when they saw what he did with Kelly (Guetta has commented on it, as have artists like 50 Cent).”
“LOL!
What are you on about. Kelly consistently has high charting hit singles in the UK, despite not having the biggest profile or being in the UK media constantly. Which is amazing, when you come to think of it. Kelly released 2 singles in the UK from her 2007 album, Ms Kelly..."Like This" and "Work". Both charted at #4 in the UK singles charts. There are big UK artists that can't manage Kelly's chart consistency in the UK...and she's been doing it here since 2002.
She's only had one album since Ms Kelly, which has yet to even have an official UK release. Kelly is taking a dual strategy in terms of singles that she promotes internationally and in America. While Motivation might be available on i-tunes in the UK, she's made absolutely no effort to promote or prerform it anywhere in the UK, as she doesn't think it's the right type of song for this market. When she does promote a song in the UK (ie, Commander), it usually goes top 10.
And she's the one that made "When Love Takes Over" a hit, not David Guetta (whom was just an unkown Euro-DJ to the British public at the time). In fact, I'd almost say Kelly is responsible for making Guetta as big as he is today. All those US R&B and hip-hop stars that a featuring on all his songs now, only started ringing him up when they saw what he did with Kelly (Guetta has commented on it, as have artists like 50 Cent).”
That's not consistent...
Originally Posted by lizm:
“That's not consistent...”
“That's not consistent...”
She's had more top 10 solo UK singles than N'Dubz (at least 7). That's consistent.
She hasn't released many albums (only 3), but when she's does, she always gets top 10 or top 5 hits in the UK. What's not consistent about that.
N'Dubz release singles like nobody's buisness (and have only had 3 albums as well), yet still can't match Kelly solo track record for UK top 10 hits.
I have said it before but the main reason Kelly did X-Factor was to raise her mainstream UK profile, apart from when Love Takes over she has never been as big as people imagine she is in the UK
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“She's had more top 10 solo UK singles than N'Dubz (at least 7). That's consistent.
She hasn't released many albums (only 3), but when she's does, she always gets top 10 or top 5 hits in the UK. What's not consistent about that.
N'Dubz release singles like nobody's buisness (and have only had 3 albums as well), yet still can't match Kelly solo track record for UK top 10 hits.”
“She's had more top 10 solo UK singles than N'Dubz (at least 7). That's consistent.
She hasn't released many albums (only 3), but when she's does, she always gets top 10 or top 5 hits in the UK. What's not consistent about that.
N'Dubz release singles like nobody's buisness (and have only had 3 albums as well), yet still can't match Kelly solo track record for UK top 10 hits.”
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