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Who will regret X Factor 2011 more? Gary or Kelly?
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Boxfresh
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“I have said it before but the main reason Kelly did X-Factor was to raise her mainstream UK profile, apart from when Love Takes over she has never been as big as people imagine she is in the UK”

She had a UK #1 album with Simply Deep. She has had a string of top 10 singles over the years. She wasn't doing to badly for someone who didn't even live here.

She's didn't have a massive mainstream profile in the UK before X-Factor, but it's arguable that she didn't need it. When she turns up to promote in the UK, she does well and always has done. When Love Takes Over is just a fraction of her succes in the UK over the years.

Some stars are just "quietly" really succesful. You don't even notice how well they do, till you look at the chart placements. Kelly is one of those acts in the UK. Always does well, without really attracting a huge amount of attention (till now, anyway)
JordanC55
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“LOL!

What are you on about. Kelly consistently has high charting hit singles in the UK, despite not having the biggest profile or being in the UK media constantly. Which is amazing, when you come to think of it. Kelly released 2 singles in the UK from her 2007 album, Ms Kelly..."Like This" and "Work". Both charted at #4 in the UK singles charts. There are big UK artists that can't manage Kelly's chart consistency in the UK...and she's been doing it here since 2002.

She's only had one album since Ms Kelly, which has yet to even have an official UK release. Kelly is taking a dual strategy in terms of singles that she promotes internationally and in America. While Motivation might be available on i-tunes in the UK, she's made absolutely no effort to promote or prerform it anywhere in the UK, as she doesn't think it's the right type of song for this market. When she does promote a song in the UK (ie, Commander), it usually goes top 10.

And she's the one that made "When Love Takes Over" a hit in the UK, not David Guetta (whom was just an unknown Euro-DJ to the British public at the time). In fact, I'd almost say Kelly is responsible for making Guetta as big as he is today. All those US R&B and hip-hop stars that are featuring on all his songs now, only started ringing him up when they saw what he did with Kelly (Guetta has commented on it, as have artists like 50 Cent). They knew if Guetta could work well with an R&B star like Kelly, then they could all get in on the Euro-dance act without looking foolish.”


Has she had a SOLO other than Commander in the UK and it only charted at 9... Before the only hit was Work.. And that was in 2008. Since the release of Commander in the UK she's released 6 singles, and only one charted in the UK which was Forever & A Day and it reached #49. Here I Am only reached #126 in the UK, and her previous album only reached #23.

Granted she's had a lot of success when she's featured on another persons song, however, as a solo singer in the UK she's nowhere near as big as you're attempting to make out.
Boxfresh
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by JordanC55:
“Has she had a SOLO other than Commander in the UK and it only charted at 9... Before the only hit was Work.. And that was in 2008. Since the release of Commander in the UK she's released 6 singles, and only one charted in the UK which was Forever & A Day and it reached #49. Here I Am only reached #126 in the UK, and her previous album only reached #23.

Granted she's had a lot of success when she's featured on another persons song, however, as a solo singer in the UK she's nowhere near as big as you're attempting to make out.”

Yet she's nowhere the UK "flop" you are trying to make out, either. A lot of acts would be very happy with her solo chart record in the UK. Just saying.
DUNDEEBOY
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“She had a UK #1 album with Simply Deep. She has had a string of top 10 singles over the years. She wasn't doing to badly for someone who didn't even live here.

She's didn't have a massive mainstream profile in the UK before X-Factor, but it's arguable that she didn't need it. When she turns up to promote in the UK, she does well and always has done. When Love Takes Over is just a fraction of her succes in the UK over the years.

Some stars are just "quietly" really succesful. You don't even notice how well they do, till you look at the chart placements. Kelly is one of those acts in the UK. Always does well, without really attracting a huge amount of attention (till now, anyway)”

She has not had a string of top ten hits at all in recent times her last 6 have failed to chart, that will change now of course with her UK profile
lizm
27-10-2011
anyhow.... answering the question Who will regret X Factor 2011 more? Gary or Kelly? .
I think Gary will regret it the most... watching him squirm and admit to lying on national TV god...that was bad! IMO he looks very uncomfortable & unhappy on the panel which visually shows his regret.
JordanC55
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Yet she's nowhere the UK "flop" you are trying to make out, either. A lot of acts would be very happy with her solo chart record in the UK. Just saying.”

What record, granted she did at one stage have a good record in the UK, but with every passing flop album and single it dilutes the magnitude of her succeses. I think she should stick to featuring on other people's songs.

I don't think anyone would be happy her recent record, she's essentially known as a 1 hit wonder as personally I don't listen to her back-catalogue as it isn't relevent to me. Commander is the only solo hit I know of in recent years. Without the X Factor she'll be lucky if her next single reaches the top 10.
Boxfresh
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“She has not had a string of top ten hits at all in recent times her last 6 have failed to chart, that will change now of course with her UK profile”

Wrong.

Do you know how many singles Beyonce has thrown out there, that have failed to chart or majorly underperformed? Lots. It's a strategy that works for several American acts....throw a single out there, wait for the reaction, and if the reaction isn't great, don't waste any energy promoting it. Then move quickly onto the next one. It's literally a case of experimenting to see what sticks.

Kelly's is now pretty much following Beyonce's strategy, and it's going to be hit and miss by it's very nature. She'll literally chuck out a single, and if it gets a weak response, won't bother promoting it, and just make a new video for a new song. And like Beyonce, she'll target certain songs to certain markets. So while some singles might end up on UK i-tunes, they were never meant for a proper release here.
Boxfresh
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by JordanC55:
“What record, granted she did at one stage have a good record in the UK, but with every passing flop album and single it dilutes the magnitude of her succeses. I think she should stick to featuring on other people's songs.

I don't think anyone would be happy her recent record, she's essentially known as a 1 hit wonder as personally I don't listen to her back-catalogue as it isn't relevent to me. Commander is the only solo hit I know of in recent years. Without the X Factor she'll be lucky if her next single reaches the top 10.”

Bloody hell...2008 was only 3 years ago, not 30

And she was having top 4 UK hits then, before Commander. Her record, recent or otherwise, is fine. No need to over-egg the pudding
Brighton Babe
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by lizm:
“anyhow.... answering the question Who will regret X Factor 2011 more? Gary or Kelly? .
I think Gary will regret it the most... watching him squirm and admit to lying on national TV god...that was bad! IMO he looks very uncomfortable & unhappy on the panel which visually shows his regret.”

I concur with the above poster. I believe Gary will regret it the most and I think it's highly unlikely he will return next year. Or I hope for his sake that he won't return next year,

He admitted to lying about Frankie the previous week and then this week he couldn't hide his joy when Frankie had got through.

I'm actually saddened that he has possibly compromised his integrity for the X-Factor.
Burkette
27-10-2011
Why would either Kelly or Gary regret doing the show this thread is just silly. The fact that both now have raised there profiles even higher, are making mega bucks and either one of them are likely to win with one of there acts. I do not see where regret comes into it. We are at Week 4 and neither have behaved in a way that has dented their reputations unlike Tulisa and as per usual Louis.
jackbell
27-10-2011
Reality shows can make a career or tarnish it. Cheryl Cole has had a bit of both. Depends how sensitive you are. As I say Gary seems to be thriving on it, Kelly and her American 'positiveness' might be regreting it.

Who knows? I guess she'll keep everyone guessing until well into next year, but Simon would - I think - love to bring Cheryl back.
spannerandpony
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Tulisa, most likely.

There are no real negative consequences for Gary or Kelly. At worst, Gary goes back to to Take That, with his gaggle of adoring housewive fans still worshipping him as a God, and selling out stadiums tours and millions of albums. Sorted.

Kelly's life is not really affected by X-Factor. What the UK tabloid print about her won't really affect her star status, as she's been around too long. She can go back to her life as a jet-setting international star, capable of having world-wide smash hits like "When Love Takes Over" or US chart hits like "Motivation". Sorted.

Tulisa is the only one that really needs X-Factor. Her group has broken up, and the show is supposed to make her a big solo star or the new Cheryl Cole. I'm not sure it's working, and she's facing the biggest backlash from Misha-Gate. If X-Factor fails to turn Tulisa into the star she was expecting, she'll be hosting Loose Women in two years time. I think Tulisa is at risk of becoming the new Alesha Dixon, as opposed to the new Chery Cole.

Gary and Kelly are sorted. They are doing X-Factor because they can, not because they need to.”

I love posting on this forum, but I really detest the way that the word "housewife" is bandied around so often as a derogatory term.

I was accused of being a "housewife" on here a few years ago and the poster was so insulting that he or she could have changed the word to "leper" and it wouldn't have sounded any more horrible.

I'm a Take That fan, I'm over 40, and I don't work. I'm not actually a housewife because I have other reasons for not being able to work, but people like me do still have a brain and are entitled to like any music that we damn well please.

Rant over.
Marik
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Wrong.

Do you know how many singles Beyonce has thrown out there, that have failed to chart or majorly underperformed? Lots. It's a strategy that works for several American acts....throw a single out there, wait for the reaction, and if the reaction isn't great, don't waste any energy promoting it. Then move quickly onto the next one. It's literally a case of experimenting to see what sticks.

Kelly's is now pretty much following Beyonce's strategy, and it's going to be hit and miss by it's very nature. She'll literally chuck out a single, and if it gets a weak response, won't bother promoting it, and just make a new video for a new song. And like Beyonce, she'll target certain songs to certain markets. So while some singles might end up on UK i-tunes, they were never meant for a proper release here.”

So then it's not wrong..

Impossible to talk any sense in Kelly fanboy/girls like yourself.
jackbell
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by spannerandpony:
“I love posting on this forum, but I really detest the way that the word "housewife" is bandied around so often as a derogatory term.”

I am appalled how - particularly - voters are categerized as 'the granny vote', 'the gay vote', 'the tweeny vote' and as you (nearly) say, 'the housewife vote'.

A vote, like an opinion, is all of the same worth, no more or less valid than any other.
Burkette
27-10-2011
Not sure why some people still want to keep pushing the claim that Kelly is a mess and nothing is working out for her. The tabloid press are going over the top regarding the ratings when they have not even been that bad. Sunday doing very well and the only period when they are low is when they share airtime with Strictly. Not sure what her chart positions have to do with anything. She has sold ten times the number of singles and albums as Danni and Cheryl put together, so not sure what that has to do with anything. Kelly remains a fair judge and the best mentor with all her acts still in and getting the right songs.
spannerandpony
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“I am appalled how - particularly - voters are categerized as 'the granny vote', 'the gay vote', 'the tweeny vote' and as you (nearly) say, 'the housewife vote'.

A vote, like an opinion, is all of the same worth, no more or less valid than any other.”

Thank you, I agree. It's no more OK than saying "the black vote" or "the asian vote", as if every black person, asian person, gay person, granny, 12 year old etc. has exactly the same taste in music. Grrr......
lizm
27-10-2011
Originally Posted by Burkette:
“Why would either Kelly or Gary regret doing the show this thread is just silly. The fact that both now have raised there profiles even higher, are making mega bucks and either one of them are likely to win with one of there acts. I do not see where regret comes into it. We are at Week 4 and neither have behaved in a way that has dented their reputations unlike Tulisa and as per usual Louis.”



Are you watching the same show as me...? For G Barlow to sit on the panel has seriously dented his Integrity!
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