sammi to be fair shot herself in the foot, worse than anyone this year. she was in tears on the vt and the performance was lacklustre. they should be speak up or get on with it.

I was not on about Hope but hey that make 3 band thats made it just as far

Anyway I was on about the The Conway Sisters who got to week 6 before going to the bottom 2. so again getting to week 3 is nothing to brag about.

And we can go on and on about Amelia doing Bille jean and you thinking Kelly was wrong to give her that song ( for me she did it really well).


But also lets twist if you think Kelly is crap at picking songs because Amelia didnt make the top 12 then we also have to use that point to point out that Tulisa is also crap at picking songs as she was the one who pick Nu vibes song and they was the first one voted out by the public.

You do realise the judges don't pick the songs don't you?

The producers have a list of songs each week (this HAS to happen due to licensing reasons, you cannot just choose a song and sing it).

The list is then divided between each category, so each judge will get songs for each of their contestants.

I thought this was common knowledge, the show has even spoken about it before. The whole judges / contestants and song choices thing is just for the TV, nothing more.

No contestants choose their own songs, it takes weeks to get through licensing, therefore its all from licensed catalogues and pre arranged.



While I agree to an extent, it's often used as an excuse on XF, if you give a singer a song that doesn't suit them they will sound crap.

The judges get a hand full of songs each week from the producers and then the Judges have to pick a song from the handfulll. therefore the judges do pick the song.

So i dont really see what your point was as I didnt say the judges could pick anysong they wanted.

diana vickers sang `man in the mirror` and rachel hylton sang `dirty diana` in 2008. they pulled it off.

Not really as I'm running on the assumption the choice of songs each week is equal to the number of acts they have (or near enough).

This assumption based on things that have clearly been said on the show before. i.e. a couple of years ago when there was a song choice argument between the judges.


Also I was kind of responding to Tulisa not knowing what Rock is, I'm sure she does (everyone does), but of course if the producers give her a bunch of non rock songs then she's stuck.

If the producers then arrange a shit arrangement, then again thats no the judge either.


* I also believe fully that the judges are literally hired hands who are paid to follow the producers script and that the producers control every aspect of the show.

we had plenty female singing male songs and do well, like Rod stewart, Take That, Bon Jovi, Queen, George Michael. Elton John and The Beatles. So all this excusese that a male song didnt suit Amelia is just bull to me. as I did think she did well but also the other girls did well that week and one of them had to go.

Hardly double standards is it, Kellys ran off to America FFS, Sophie DOESN'T have anyone to advise her.

The argument you are about about was because one of the judges ( Louis ) wanted a song but another judge ( Danni ) had taken the song first, but the reason Danni had taken the song first is because it was her turn to pick hers songs frist from the list.

And heres the full story about argument and how the songs are on a rota for the judges to pick
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ooted-off.html



Therefore it just shows you that the judges can pick whatever song they can from the list that is given. so my point still stands the judges still pick the songs.

As for Tulisa and the producers giving her non rock song I think thats bull. As the argument between Louis and Danni just shows us that they all pick off the same list of song.

yes, i agree. she wasn't bad at all. however, some people are making out the this is a huge x factor injustice. kelly didn't rate her highly as the others. that`s life.

i said from the beginning amelia should have been put in a group. we already have pixie lott and to me amelia seems on par the her.

also in response to the post above, kelly has gone to the states apparently. her home country. how is that any different to louis being in ireland last week?

Very close to the truth, but I suspect even the producers experience outside instruction at times. Katie Weasels last year progress was very interesting.

I still think the judges can make a difference even when they have to work with limited options. A judge is often accused of spending little or no time with their acts, like Cheryl Cole last year. They just pop in for the photo / video shoots, but otherwise do not engage closely with their acts, relying on the X Factor Production Machine to do the rest. This week in example, Kelly Rowland has disappeared off to America "on prebooked business" and won't be back till Thursday.

Tulisa is definitely engaging and spending time with her acts. She seems to be taking it seriously, which sadly, she will come to learn will get herself personally not very far and in fact more stressed out / disallusioned. Her acts will however benefit from the extra energy. The groups are normally alway's a hard one to sell as are Louis's overs. This year might change somewhat.

Snap. These judges roll in and roll out. What we see on video is contrived. Much if not virtually all of the work for some of the judges is done by the paid production team. But hey, if the Judges are just photocall patsy's why should the Judges care.

that`s not exactly what i suggested, was it. however, she is not the first judge to leave the country during the week that live shows are filmed. she is not even the first judge to do it this year!

Its not Michael Jackson songs that are the problem but the words of Billie Jean in particular.

Every time Amelia sang the line, 'shes just a girl who said that I am the one, but the kid is not my son' it sounded very odd coming from a female.

Ok unsnap.

Think we have established that judges do not spend great quantities of their time and energy with their acts. So far this year, evidence would suggest that Tulisa is spending more time with her acts (if not others) and taking it more seriously from that point. Or maybe she has no friends, or any other business on hand to distract her, unlike the God and Goddess Barlow with Rowland.

Good point.

what still interests me slightly and believe me i am bored with this particular discussion. how does that makes a blind bit of difference. i doubt kelly axed her because she believed that the song didn't suit her.

rachel sang `dirty diana` with lyrics like `that you seduce every man this time you won't seduce me`. she sold it to the audience.

i love kelly. i have even she her live when she was in destiny`s child. i also have take that albums and must admit i don't like n`dubz music. however, i am not so blind in my admiration that i cant appreciate that tulisa is working notably hard in my opinion. i do hope simon is aware of her input, she`s a keeper.

Sadly, yes Tulisa is taking it seriously, but Simon has different agenda and ways of assessing. Working hard and being dedicated should mean a lot, but I would not count on it if I was Tulisa. What she should do for her own credibility / sanity is move on, one stint on X Factor is enough.

yes, dannii did notably more than the others and that got her nowhere whatsoever. however, simon is running out of options the way he goes through judges. with the voice coming up, he really should look at his opinions more realistically. although, someone will be axed due to the ratings i don't doubt.

They need to just based on the need to create excitement next year.

With Dannii I don't know what Simon/producers were playing at - I think they would have wanted her but she burnt the bridge herself in the end.


I think Tulisa will stay - another 'entire' change next year would likely bore and irritate viewers.
So likely one of the new team will stay.

I don't think that Kelly's song choice for Amelia was the reason she chose not to keep her.

Seeing as they are very alike i'd imagine they're on more of a friendship basis rather than Tulisa mentoring off duty, which I can't see happening.

Kelot has other work commitments.. She's had to cancel plenty in the states while she's been in London. Her family + friends live in another country. Tulisa doesn't.

From his tweets Gary goes to the X Factor house quite a lot during the week to hear the songs and see his contestants