Well, leaving aside the veracity or otherwise of the "quotes", you choose to be free with tense. You state Misha is a self confessed bully.

I repeat my question. Where has Misha ever said she IS a bully. No-one - except Louis who later apologised - has said Misha is a bully except you and others on this board who, principally, do not like Misha the performer. Or would you also deny Misha the right to say she has learned lessons from her past, which was also said in the Mirror article?

Co-sign!

Notice that Tulisa didn't actually say bully once, but its being tagged onto her. Louis said it.

Tulisa to me is right, Kelly and Garry talk about people backstage being nice, why cant she bring up something negative if its clearly upsetting her acts?

Thanks Smithy.

Well said and that is perhaps the most pernicious aspect of it. And of course some people are going on as if she has committed some heinous crime which entitles them to conduct a trial by media where she bears the burden of proof. All very very strange.



From what I have read and understand Misha described being bullied herself and being a playground bully to others. That is not an uncommon phenomenon.

Now call me old fashioned but I tend not to judge people on their misbehaviour as children. Children can be terribly cruel and harsh. She says she has learnt from her child hood experiences and strives to be a better person.

People change, its called maturity. Some on this forum should try it.

A little anecdote for you.

A kid from my primary school was a right little git. He was always getting into trouble with the teachers for picking on one boy in our class in particular, the " smelly kid", always dishevelled and messy.

The " bully" still lives locally, in his late 30s now,I see him occasionally when I go to visit my parents....he is a GP, shall I contact the GMC !!!

It doesn't matter if she didn't say it as she started it.

Why is it Mishas fans see her as this sweet girl, great artist, who has never done anything wrong while they slate anyone and everyone who says anything against her. Mishas detractors on the other hand see her as all the nasty things in the world who completely deserves the tags and accusations labelled against her.

I believe neither are true. Its fact that in pretty much ALL cases such as this the truth lies somewhere between the stated "truths".

Unfortunately for this to be accepted, Mishas detractors must acknowledge that she almost certainly is not guilty of everything being levelled at her - this doesn't seem likely. But the same tokens her fans must acknowledge that there is something amiss with their favourite little star - and that seems even more unlikely.

Tulisa has actually done nothing wrong. Louis gave the "bully" label. Tulisa didnt even comment on a particular incident (presumably the Little Mix incidents) but only stated her backstage behaviour may affect her on-stage one which she should be aware of, and guard against.

Tulisa has come out as a devil girl for, Louis has escaped most of the flack, and Misha has come out ??? well that depends on your POV.

Thanks Burkette. I agree I'm getting a bit of that vibe from Ms Tulisa as well.

Try hard is a perfect description of that group of hers. I know I'm outside of their target demographic age wise, but please, when you see the real talent out there in the rap, grime, urban scene call it what you will, who will never get the success or exposure of these faux urban, plastic ghetto acts, it really is galling.

As above.

Not all, as you well know. Misha the performer is divisive, no doubt. Why Misha's every move on and off stage - is scrutinized for negatives is what puzzles me. Micha's "screechy voice/poor range/silly clothes/silly hair" (delete as appropriate in your opinion) is fair enough.

There are those here who still say Misha is a bully in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Some even say shite like "imagine if your child was being bullied", not a thought for the child who is unfairly accused of bullying As stated by others, it is very strange and not a little worrying.

It's pointless to argue semantics, it's an endless circle of debate.

Misha has admitted to being a bully (tense notwithstanding ), so that's indisputable. There were multiple stories of her bad attitude backstage previously. She doesn't project a particular friendly demeanor (whether that's truth or not, it's a definite perception held by many). Then these stories start surfacing about her bullying other contestants. So just what conclusions do you expect people to draw when confronted with such information?

There's a possibility that you're right, that she's been demonized by the media and others. But the frustrating thing for me is the unwillingness shown by some to even entertain the idea that the story might have some basis in fact, thereby negating any hope of meaningful discussion.

so will Tulisa say summat again tonight

Mischas being scapegoated because every year there has to be a "bully" in the house..Danyl got it aswell, shes not alone.

I do stand by what I said about Tulisa though..shes not trying to play a game or sabotage anyone, she just says what she feels. Shes being protective of one of her acts, and although it probably would of been better said off stage, she was caught in the moment, and she didn't even imply anything about bullying. This whole things been taken out of proportion because of Louis.

I personally like Tulisa more than Misha but I don't get this bullying BS. If LittleMix, a group of 4 girls came cry to their mentor because they were bullied by a girl of their age, they should think about not entering the industry. And if Tulisa couldn't sort it out behind the stage with the producer, Misha and Kelly, she was weak too. It's really unprofessional to bring it up in the live show and to the press like this.

All a ploy to get her off the show to make sure Frankie doesn't end up in the bottom 2 again!

Completely agree with all of this.

I quite liked the name Little Mix until this thread - now I realise it makes them and Tulisa look like the little girls that they are. Pathetic behaviour. The group and Tulisa all need to get a bloody grip.

You are one of the others - and I don't consider this to be a pointless discussion. Indeed, without factual accuracy there is no discussion possible. It's interesting you choose not to comment on Misha's assertion that she has learned from her past.

I'm not arguing that Misha is a paragon of virtue, I'm arguing that you have no factual basis to argue she is, in fact a bully - an allegation that was made UNFAIRLY, and has since been retracted by the accuser. It's not unreasonable to assume the stories of Misha's bulling (and bullied) past would never have come to light otherwise. Semantics or not, that is how I see it.

Sure, she said it in the moment on Saturday... but she's still bloody going on about it! She's so unprofessional. I really liked Tulisa at first too but this has put me right off her.

^^THIS

Tulisa is probably in a tailspin with all the instability in her groups. Forced into a name change for stealing a charity's moniker, band members quitting at the 11th hour, Tulisa getting raked over the coals because her bid to sabotage Misha is backfiring on her...

She's pathetic and desperate at this stage and will say and do anything to try and save her and her acts a$$es. She's shady as all get out. NO CLASS whatsoever.

And it sounds to me like the Rhythmix/Little Mix girls are whiny and thin skinned. If they crumble into little pieces every time they get into an argument with ONE. PERSON. then they need to get out of the business ASAP.

If they think having a tiff with Misha is bad, wait until they get into the REAL world. The media will rip you to shreds whenever the moods suits them, the people around you are competative barracuda's and sometimes the people who are supposed to be on your side will level you if you're not living up to expectations.

In short GROW. UP. and get a pair.

I CAN'T. WAIT. for these whiny girls to get the boot.

Lol, jeez thanks a bunch, nice to know you hold me in such high regard.


Factual accuracy? Somehow I doubt meticulous documentation of evidence is likely with something like the X-Factor, we go on what we get and make up our own minds. And yes, I am aware of the lack of journalistic integrity concerning certain X-Factor stories.

Of course Misha is gonna say she's learned from her past, eyes on the prize and all that.


I think a couple of allegations were made, first Tulisa, then Louis, and now Tulisa again. So when it's multiple allegations it becomes difficult not to simply connect the dots.

And can I just say, despite whatever impression I may give, I honestly don't enjoy being argumentative, it's just not a fun thing for me.

Do you always believe what you read in the red-top news rags, or do you only believe it when it vaguely supports your biases and prejudices?

Completely agree with all of this. I think Tulisa is in the wrong with this, she should have never brought it up in the first place. It's unnecessary and unprofessional.

Most of the posts on this thread are polarized, at one extreme or the other, rather than balanced and looking at the facts as we know them, whilst also bearing in the mind the sources of those facts and the amount of trust we can place on them.

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Let's deal with Kelly first, because that is the easiest to handle, as there are not really any conflicting stories there.

Firstly, Kelly will, like all X Factor mentors in this and previous shows, defend her own acts. Some people don't like mentors doing that, but they always do, and there is no fairness in singling her out for doing it, in this or any other case. She will stick up for Misha to as much as an extent as she feels she can.

Secondly, Kelly is reported as ill. We have no actual evidence to the contrary, and it would be very uncharitable to assume without basis that she is lieing. The reality of the matter is probably that she is exactly what she is reported as being, as in, ill. As such, she will almost certainly be back next week, and the hysteria about her not being here tonight is mostly just hype. The timing with the "bullying" stories is therefore just coincidence, I believe.

Therefore, there is no real basis for anyone having a go at Kelly over this, and doing so just makes a person look like they want to have a go at her because they don't like her, not because of anything she has actually done.

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Now, let's look at Tulisa. This is more difficult because it depends what has happened behind the scenes. Like with Kelly, it is only right and reasonable that she would defend her acts, as far as she feels she can. Certainly, if what she says is true, she would side with her own act. Even if it is only partly true or exaggerated, she would still side with her act.

Her making a big issue about it on last week's show was a contentious decision, and it is that decision that sparked all this press furore off in the first place. Was she right to do that? There are opinions on both sides of that argument.

Personally, I don't think she made the right call, because I think she should have handled it privately, unless it was so extremely serious that it merited Misha being immediately ejected from the competition. Since it clearly wasn't that* serious, it didn't need to be brought up, I feel anyway.

Tulisa's latest interviews are bringing it up again and again, and it seems there have been even more incidents now. The fact that even more is now happening does start to raise some serious questions as to the motivations of those involved.

I hope Tulisa has solid grounding for these continuous public statements, because it is starting to get very unpleasent, and no matter how this is spinned now, some of the fallout of this does not make Tulisa look good.

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And finally, let's look at the middle of this storm - Misha herself. What is actually going on here?

Last week, I very much believed it was all a storm in a teacup. Some teenage girls who do not know eachother all forced to live together in the stressful environment that is X Factor, and they had an argument? Well, frankly I would have been amazed if there had been no arguments! People are people, and sometimes they fall out and snap at eachother.

So I am not surprised there have been arguments, and I don't think that is anything strange either.

But these latest stories seem to suggest they are ongoing, and the furore last week has not stopped them happening. Is Misha really being aggressive towards some of the others? Or are some of them spineless and cry at the slightest thing, and making up stories? Geez, this must be like looking after little children not young women.

The answer is: We don't actually know.

I know I will be watching this week, to see how the likes of Sophie and Janet are towards Misha. They are sensible, calm girls and I suspect if Misha really was an aggressive problem, it would come across in their body language when they are interviewed together. Last week, they seemed pretty solid with her, almost conveying the impression (to me anyway) that they were happy to sit with her and didn't put much confidence into the accusations. Sami also saying that the bullying stories were nonsense supports this. Before today, I was dismissing all these stories as nothing more than some arguing and Tulisa exaggerating.

I am no fan of Misha, I just do not automatically believe a combination of young girls whining (this includes Tulisa, frankly) and tabloid hysteria.

But then again, it has all flared up again this week. Is there smoke here and no fire? I am not as convinced that it is all rubbish as I was last Sunday. It would have been very much in ITV/Syco's interest to squash any more stories like this, I suspect, so Tulisa being given leave to speak to the press about it again suggests there might be more to it.

I know this much. This whole mess will not being doing Misha's voting base any good at all.

We may not know the truth until after she leaves. And maybe not even then.

Will you please get over yourself. Who has said Misha is threatening people? In my opinion these are 5 young women of around the same age who are all competitive, and the four of Little Mix have clubbed together and decided that they will try to get Misha eliminated by claiming bullying as they know that she is their biggest threat. But no other act is complaining about Misha. Don't you find that odd? And take another look at Little Mix - do these women really strike you as the kind of girls who will let themselves be pushed around by anyone? This is all a cynical attempt by either Little Mix or the producers to get Misha villified by the public, and with some posters who are sheep to fodder like this it is clearly working.

Euwww .. but .. what's that got to do with this thread?