SCD merely reflects the popular trend.

Over 56 years I have seen many changes. For example, I heard "arse" being used quite casually on Radio 4 recently. Just as a term for bottom and not in any pejorative or unseemly sense. 50 years ago that word could not be uttered in any context in the presence of women and children.

The 'pupils' of Waterloo Road on BBC1 are shown in skirts merely cm long because this is supposed to be exactly what an adolescent girl chooses to wear to school. And some of them do seem to get away with it.

Times change and crotch-grabbing is now thought acceptable. I don't like it. I don't like drunks throwing up in the streets and swearing at the police. Heck, I don't like swearing!

But there's a huge difference between my attitude and my partner's. 14 years younger. I reserve the 'f' word for the most critical moments and only at home. My partner uses it much more frequently.

Times change. Sometimes for the better. But I still don't like crotch-grabbing. Fine, I'm petty-minded. Or, as I'd say, was well brought-up.

Robbie will gain votes from some and lose others. But should the BBC show this? I'd like them to stop it but (the changing times again) I'm sure they won't. It's part of our culture now.

Well, his five year old loved it. What more do you need to know?

I already have - several times, mostly about being called one of the small minded brigade. I may be many things, but on this board people tend to think you're an idiot if you disagree with them, rather than that you have an opinion you're entitled to.!! Good job we can laugh about it and get on with our small minded day !

What I find amusing is when you make a comment about something on TV without quoting another poster's view, you can get a hostile response.
If you deign to reply, you can expect that same person will want "the last word" in any further discussion between you.

I mentioned this incident aswell....there was some disquiet about it yes....the judges told Aliona they didnt like it...infact their Salsa was absolutely shredded by the judges that night, and there was ofcourse discussion about it on the forum....for me that was actuallly more unacceptable than what Robbie did but the big difference for me is that Matt & Aliona didnt spend the next week trying to justify it and slagging off everyone who expressed concern about it. which is where Robbie has gone wrong in my eyes.

My husband says we should be grateful Robbie doesnt spit on the dance floor like a lot of footballers seem to do now.

Espion you have summed up how I feel generally too....probably because I am the same age and probably with similar upbringing.

Ah, but we old fuddy-duddies have an advantage, in that we don't have to go to bed early in order to be fresh for school the next day

What I like best, is when I don't reply, usually because the topic has bled off the first page and I can't be assed looking further back, or we've been away for a few days, they'll make a "follow up post" to drag the topic up the board, (everyone else having lost interest) accusing you of "running away."

I can't always take message boards like this one too seriously, it's just mostly "for amusement only," whilst a few others, dedicated to my assorted specific hobbies are of a fun, but more serious and respectful nature.

However, there are a lot of people with health problems for whom this board and others can be at times their main contact with the outside world, but they are rarely the ones who cause the problems.

Morning Ignazio, my son lives in Tunbridge Wells and he's not angry .... loving your limericks btw




this routine must have been seen by many people in rehearsals and no-one there seemed to think it was unsuitable (would love to know what Princess Beatrice thought), anyway, it's all good for the ratings isn't it, as we're still talking about it five days later, looking forward to the waltz which should be less raunchy

Hi Ruby - glad to hear your son retains a sense of equanimity despite living in Tunbridge Wells.

Are you still posting on the opera thread - must make a visit there.

Thanks for the limericks compliment.

The chase for ratings, blinds the BBC to a lot of unsuitable inclusions in programmes and much of the tat that appears on BBC1 these days.

Unfortunately, viewers get the standard of TV they deserve, by watching it.

Actually, Tunbridge Wells is a lovely place to live, imo ..... always good to read your limericks and, in fact, all your posts

No, I don't post there any more .... too busy posting in here .... but I'm still a huge fan of Rolando and am looking forward to Gareth Malone's new "choir" programme next Monday

Have just posted this on Post Of The Day - hope you don't mind? It should be required reading for all newbies (and not so newbies). Excellent.

For goodness sake it was a performance based around a Jackson song. Get over it I am sure the "kids" in the family found it quite amusing to see this stupid bloke making a fool of himself just like uncle tom, etc. do at their family get together's every Christmas and new year.

Not at my family gatherings they dont....we play canasta and an old family game called Merry Flounders.

Michael Jackson blah blah :yawn::yawn:

I would not want to encourage a young child to enjoy that. I should imagine his teachers won't be too chuffed if he teaches it to all the other five year old pupils.

There used to be a poster (now permabanned) who used to argue a wide range of topics over pages at a time.
When they were challenged for not replying (possibly cos they had to go to work), they always produced the scathing reply
"I have a life"

my point is that Robbie clutching his bits on a saturday night is extremely unlikey to sexualise any child a small child would think he has just grabbing his willy a larger child is more likely to just snigger .It is up to parents to point out what is appropriate behaviour or not

asI said the first time my small son saw a very scantily clad spangly trapeze artist he was entranced and beleived he was seeing a fairy. this particular trapeze artist was wearing the breifest of g strings with fishnet tights and as a 3 year old all he thought was fairy. To him she was someone magical.

He is noow fully grown and was not corrupted in the least by a g string and fishnets seen at aged 3

but I would worry more about how on earth do you explain vampires ghousts and the undead to a small child

Well, I have unfollowed him on Twitter, what a breath of fresh air, no more constant tweets about 'poor me getting complaints' and look at how many famous friends I have.

How will Robbie ever cope?

It all comes down to what each of us thinks is crude. I wasn't offended by the dance neither was my child. I know Robbie and know that he is genuinely upset by how the public have reacted to his dance. What you seen on Daybreak where Robbie apologised to anyone he may've offended is the true Robbie. He is a sincere person and does an awful lot for charity and is certainly not the thug that some people think!!
At the end of the day he only danced the dance he was given. He did not put the dance together, that was Ola so why all the hate towards Robbie?

I dont 'hate' Robbie I couldnt hate someone that I have never met but I have been offended by him...not especially by the dance move which I found tacky and gross but not offensive (and it was Ola's fault as you say) but by his attitude to Strictly fans on twitter...we are not the football 'fans' who tweet abuse to him and he needs to learn the difference and not call them names.

I didnt see Daybreak but have watched the clip of it to hear what was said and his 'apology' was really not very heartfelt it was really more of a 'whatever if this gets you all off my back'

So if you really know Robbie then tell him that some of us have been 'genuinely upset' too.

Best not do as she tells him next time then. Man or mouse springs to mind !! Let's hope the waltz proves a lot safer.

Robbie's right hand will be behind his partner's back. Robbie's left hand will be firmly clutched by Ola's right hand.

That's if he gets his hold right !!!!

I have a feeling Robbie will come back strong this week.