Are the people on here who are concerned about children viewing it, quite happy for the same children to view the amount of breast flesh which is often on display? I'm not referring Chelsee's unfortunate wardrobe malfunction, but the fact that the costumes somtimes leave little to the imagination.

Personally, I don't have a problem with any of it - just asking the question!

Not offended by crutch grabbing but it's getting tiresome, Robbie and these gimmicky routines to distract from his poor technique.

Please re-post this twice on every page!

Of course they don't have any genuine principled objection. They just don't like Robbie or didn't like the dance and, as always, extended their ordinary dislike to some high-minded moral argument.

Eh? I understood you to be equating Vincent and Flavia's routines (for example) with that of Robbie and Ola, which I think was tacky and I stand by that opinion no matter what. I replied that there was a difference between the two and explained why I thought that, with examples. I have no further interest in justifying myself to you or anyone else, so this is my last word on the subject......oh except for two more: grow up. :yawn::yawn:

Yep!

You can't beat a good conspiracy theory, can you?

Err..

Did you actually read what you wrote before you responded?

This was your message to me.

I suppose you think Vincent and Flavia, or anyone else who has ever danced or choreographed explicitly sexual routines, could easily be a "pervy basket case" too.

That's a presumption with no evidence to support it.

So I've no idea why you're still trying to defend yourself. You've failed once already.

My point is, it's the performing arts, which have never pandered to convention or family values - in my opinion, it's healthy to challenge those. Whether Robbie's dancing or Ola's choreography were poor is not the issue here. The issue here is that some find overt displays of sexuality threatening. I don't. If you can't explain it to your kids, look at why you can't. The world is the way it is - you can't draw a veil over the bits you find uncomfortable.

That's an opinion.

But this programme begins with the announcement,

Good evening ladies and gentlemen and children.

It's a family show. not an adults and worldly teenagers show.

The children in my family know that adults have sex and find it funny, not threatening.

I've never suggested it was threatening, just unnecessary in a family show.

Define children, define family, define what constitutes "good family entertainment". There is no single answer and that's the point.

I would consider a child under five, an under five shouldn't still be up watching SCD which doesn't finish until gone 8pm in my opinion, other people will have different opinions. My son's three and he's usually in bed by 7.30pm at the latest.

Between the ages of five and 10, most children will be blissfully unaware of the supposed "unnecessary-ness" of the move as they don't have the same awareness of an adult as to what can be construed as "sexual" or not and those over 10 will be far more aware of the sexual nature of humans than most of their parents would like to pretend.

I presume that the BBC can't have had too many complaints as they've just showed the desk leap in slo mo on Len's Lens.

Define?

For cryin' out loud.

"whatever."

But they didn't show the "crutch thrust," it was a view of Craig then of Len through Robbie's legs.
Common sense has since prevailed.

Rubbish !

Oi!

I've already suggested this is a conspiracy theory, don't quote it, you're adding to the flames!

Well it may technically be the performing arts, but actually it's a family entertainment show starting at 6.30 p.m. when young children are watching, and everyone knows that. It's no matter whether adults find sexuality threatening or not, the problem we all have is that young children are innocent, not sexually or emotionally mature, and should be having nothing whatever to do with sex. That's for grown ups only.

Well put, it has always been a family show and there was no necessity for the "crotch thrust" at all.

For some to excuse it because Michael Jackson had a similar offensive habit, just made me smile.

Thanks Doghouse Riley ! Adults can do whatever they like as far as I'm concerned, so long as it's legal. But there is a concerted effort at the moment to stop the sexualisation of young children, and that's because often these days we see very young children in infant and junior schools (when dancing) gyrating and behaving in an inappropriate way - not because they know what they're doing is sexualised of course, but because sadly they've seen it so many times on TV and DVD. They also use inappropriate sexualised language in their chatter these days, again not understanding it. It's just such a pity, because sex is nothing whatever to do with young children and we, as responsible adults teaching and caring about them, would far prefer them to be sheltered from what they have absolutely no need to know about till they're older. So for the BBC, supposedly responsible TV, to allow that part of Robbie's routine (which they must have seen at rehearsal) to go ahead later on the liev family programme, is inexcusable.

PMSL

Great post!

I am mystified by this objection

no crotch thrusts because if mught corrupt children but apparently the whole theme of the night of withcraft , vampires and death and dying are fine

I wouls say get a grip laugh about it with your kids if you like and make sure they know it was done as a bit of fun and iits not OK to do it out of context

I do think those who are offended on behalf of children ought to think about what else they were letting there children watch

I too loath the sexulaissation of children but if you dont find anything offensive in the vampire ghosts andd ghouls part of thenight I think you are missing more of what the programme is all about


How is it that you are happy to accept the gorgeous and scanty dresses the females wear

I do think it is up to parents to point out what is appropriate and where to their children That is their role and thier role is not to censor an entertainment show that a lot of children really enjoy

I remeber when my son first saw a very scantily dressed trapeze artist and he said look its a fairy! he was 3 at the time

I do not have children.

I repeat - the programme is supposed to be family entertainment for all ages, and, in my opinion, that sort of behaviour is not acceptable in this programme.

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