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Old 30-10-2011, 20:21
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The fool on the hill has got to be Richard Branson....
he was famous in the 60s and whenever interviewed on TV he is always grinning
.... the man with the foolish grin
is keeping perfectly still...


Maxwell has got to be Peter Sutcliff the Yorkshire ripper...
he is known to have used a hammer in his deadly attacks on women.

.... clang clang Maxwells silver hammer came down on her head...
... bang bang, Maxwells silver hammer made sure that she was dead .........
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:29
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I don't think Sutcliffe was active when they wrote that.
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:35
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Yeah the timeline on that "Maxwells Silver Hammer" theory doesnt work, the song was released a good few years before any of the Yorkshire Ripper killings took place.
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:41
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you are right, the song was 68 and Sutcliffe's first attack was in 69 ...
so maybe its the other way round, perhaps the song inspired Sutcliffe to do his hammer attacks ?

Helter Skelter inspired Manson !
(Pauls got a lot to answer for ! )
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:41
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The "Fool On The Hill" is about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

Richard Branson was unknown in the sixties and didn't start his first venture, Virgin Records, until the seventies.
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:44
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:47
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The OP is a muppet
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Old 30-10-2011, 20:49
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His rise began with the launch of a magazine called Student.

When the Beatles announced that Apple would support the arts, the 18-year-old Branson took himself to their Savile Row office and met up with Derek Taylor.
His proposal was that a forthcoming issue of Student should include a recording of an interview with John and Yoko, which could be put on a flexidisc and distributed with his magazine.

The Beatles must have been aware of him, he was always hanging around Apple .
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Old 31-10-2011, 01:31
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The Beatles must have been aware of him, he was always hanging around Apple .
That doesn't prove The Fool On The Hill was about him. I can't see any connection at all between the lyrics and Branson. As for the Yorkshire Ripper idea, it's ludicrous.
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Old 31-10-2011, 07:51
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The Fool on the Hill's about a man Paul used to see walking down the road in the fog I believe and he used to think he was strange.
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Old 31-10-2011, 08:40
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Wonder how many songs the 3 guys have written now ?
must be 3 or 4 thou in total ?
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Old 31-10-2011, 09:02
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you are right, the song was 68 and Sutcliffe's first attack was in 69 ...
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79 actually

erm ...i think the thread might have worked if the op suggested retrospective relationships... we know the songs quoted were not about the people he proposed... but just as a laugh... they could be!
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Old 31-10-2011, 09:07
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1969.... Sutcliffe committed his first assault on an older prostitute he met whilst searching for the woman who had previously tricked him out of money.
He left his friend's mini-van and walked up Saint Pauls Road, Bradford, until he was out of sight.
He followed a prostitute into a garage and hit her over the head with a stone in a sock.
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Old 31-10-2011, 09:33
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1969.... Sutcliffe committed his first assault on an older prostitute he met whilst searching for the woman who had previously tricked him out of money.
He left his friend's mini-van and walked up Saint Pauls Road, Bradford, until he was out of sight.
He followed a prostitute into a garage and hit her over the head with a stone in a sock.
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m8..i was alive then... sutcliffe began murdering in 79, not 69. i remember it well because my fiancee then was at leeds poly, and was in the very area he operated...in fact i shat myself once because he struck in the very neighbourhood she lived.
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Old 31-10-2011, 11:26
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m8..i was alive then... sutcliffe began murdering in 79, not 69. i remember it well because my fiancee then was at leeds poly, and was in the very area he operated...in fact i shat myself once because he struck in the very neighbourhood she lived.
His first (subsequently) recorded murder was in 1969 but it was 6 years before he struck again.

Plus - if they had known it was Peter Sutcliffe when the first murder occurred - why didn't they arrest him then. People forget the Police got lucky when they caught Sutcliff. He was with a know Prostitute and was stopped because of that, they had no idea he was the Yorkshire Ripper until they checked further.

And - The Fool On The Hill came out in 1967, the year before Apple was launched. it was on The Magical Mystery Tour EP in the UK and LP in The USA. The LP was sunsequently released in the UK on Apple but that was a lot later.

Doh!!!
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Old 31-10-2011, 11:55
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His first (subsequently) recorded murder was in 1969 but it was 6 years before he struck again.
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i stand corrrected . i only knew of his reign of terror from 79 onwards.

did he use a hammer in 69?... or 75? which was the point of 'maxwells silver hammer'..
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Old 31-10-2011, 13:12
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1969.... Sutcliffe committed his first assault on an older prostitute he met whilst searching for the woman who had previously tricked him out of money.

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If you must persist with this ridiculous theory, I feel it's only fair to point out to you that Maxwell's Siver Hammer was originally demoed in October 1968 during the White Album sessions. As you rightly state, Sutcliffe never struck till 1969. Thanks for helping to set the record straight. You assumed that because Abbey Road was a 1969 release its material was written then. In fact some of the tracks were composed earlier - during and just after a visit to India during 1968. Maxwell's Silver Hammer was one of those songs written in '68, thus demolishing your argument.

The truth is, Maxwell was fictional like Eleanor Rigby, Michelle and other characters Paul sometimes wrote about. The actual lyric is a metaphorical tale concerning the enjoyable ups and sudden downs of life - the unexpected silver hammer doing its worst.
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Old 31-10-2011, 14:11
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Michelle Ma Belle could be Michelle Obama who was probably on the verge of being born at the time............
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Old 31-10-2011, 15:37
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Mr Mustard, I am not persisting.... read post 4.... please !
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Old 31-10-2011, 17:59
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Mr Kite was a man Paul once met who lived on benefits.

And, of course, Henry the Horse......was about a horse Paul once met called Henry.

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Old 31-10-2011, 18:11
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Mr Mustard, I am not persisting.... read post 4.... please !
Thank you Xxtimbo

Far be it from me to add another unproven Beatle theory, but I'm trying to solve part of I Am The Walrus. I may have found out who the 'Eggman' actually was, a believable and more realistic explanation than the one given in Ian MacDonald's brilliant book Revolution In The Head.
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Old 31-10-2011, 18:46
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Mr Kite was a man Paul once met who lived on benefits.

And, of course, Henry the Horse......was about a horse Paul once met called Henry.
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now your just being silly.


John wrote some incredible songs and lyrics during the 60s
he let his imagination run wild.... Semolina Pilchard.. climbing up the Eiffel Tower.... for eg.
But what was No9 all about ? thats very unusual !
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Old 31-10-2011, 19:00
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The OP is a muppet
This ^
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Old 31-10-2011, 19:11
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Thank you Xxtimbo

I'm trying to solve part of I Am The Walrus. I may have found out who the 'Eggman' actually was, .
Remember John was a big fan of the Alice books as a child and Lewis Carrol.
Picture yourself on a boat on a river.... is pure Alice in Wonderland.
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Old 31-10-2011, 19:50
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But what was No9 all about ? thats very unusual !
JL always said the number nine followed him around. He was born on the 9th of October and as a child he lived at 9 Newcastle Road in the Penny Lane area. Hence the songs The One After 909, Revolution 9 and Number 9 Dream. His second son Sean was born on the 9th of October too.
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