The Aaron Appreciation Thread (Part 7)

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Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by INDYMO:
“Just watched oktv and their bias is totally disgusting, not only that, i'm not sure people like Brian Belo and those presenters are actually watching the clips etc, they just don't seem to know anything about what's going on, of course it could just be them pleading ignorance because it suits their agenda but I was pretty appalled especially as they keep asking all the same questions he's already been asked so he keeps reiterating the stuff he said about Aaron and of course they aren't putting him to task, in fact his answers seemed very rehearsed! Idiots!”

y'know what really annoys me (and they still do it out there) they call aaron a player and then bring up the tom and Maisy kiss as evidence!!! FFS tom was a game and week one - Maisy well not sure what that was but having watched Aaron over the last few weeks since he got together with faye he hasn't had any interest whatsoever in anyone else. Why do they hark back to the same old same old from week 3million BC?

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by ohboy:
“the cooking clip wasn't fun. faye is obviously turning up her game because she's nom'ed, and good for her. she should do that.

he's not having fun, but i don't know why really.”

I thought he was fine tbh - he was just letting her get on with her stuff but not playing along. I would find it irritating if I was cooking and she was doing that so I would just ignore her as well.

lisa1972

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lynzee:
“lisa you were saying almost the same thing a few weeks ago when he had some off days.

There are not even two weeks left. He is having a bad day, or a few bad days. He will pick himself up and will be fine. And hopefully become the winner of BB12. That certainly will make him happy.

One can not analyse someone seeing them on 45mins of HLs and some vids.”

no but someone asked me to have a go so i did? its my belief from what i have seen etc and from talking to people who know him; i said he has good coping strategies to pick himself up but i think hes finding it harder; i find the tone of your post a bit condescending tbh when all im doing is responding to other posters questions?

ps i have talked with a psyche who used to be on the programme and she agrees with me and would actually go quite a bit further; signs are there whether you see 24/7 live feed or edited highlights

psychmed

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by ohboy:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yANHObjPiQU”

Thank you I thought that was very funny.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Emerald_23:
“I think Harry thinks it is good saying that Aaron is a gameplayer but it is his other comment about using Faye which is bad. I'll be fair and say he also said that Faye is genuine. He placed the housemates from 1st to 3rd as Alex, Tom and Aaron. He was making another comment that it was good if Aaron was genuine I think but the rest got cut off.”

What has harry been looking at since he came out if he thinks tom is going to come 2nd? Clearly not got his finger on the pulse.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by ohboy:
“bb says aaron wasn't taking part in the dinner conversation. it was about cheese, but still.

since he's not in an all-out funk, i think he'll have to clear the air with faye before he gets back to normal.”

the tweet says aaron is talking cheese.

ohboy

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by grogdog:
“but to jay, how long will that take to filter back to faye”

jay has been an ok friend to aaron.

and jay knows exactly what faye's issue is. if aaron doesn't know already, maybe jay will clue him in.

grogdog

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“no but someone asked me to have a go so i did? its my belief from what i have seen etc and from talking to people who know him; i said he has good coping strategies to pick himself up but i think hes finding it harder; i find the tone of your post a bit condescending tbh when all im doing is responding to other posters questions?

ps i have talked with a psyche who used to be on the programme and she agrees with me and would actually go quite a bit further; signs are there whether you see 24/7 live feed or edited highlights”

lisa, would be interested in your opinion of faye, in the physchological point of view.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“I have just watched 'cooking with Faye vid',Jay looking on with gritty teeth as Faye tries hard to cheerup Aaron.It seems to me Faye wasnt bothered but piosonous snakes;Tom and Jay went on playing the Aaron is not a team player card and the situation went out of control.The all up nomination strategy benefited Jay and Aaron saw the strings,because if Alex is out of the final Jay has the Geordie and anti Aaron vote alone.It is crucial to Aaron that Alex is in the final.We should help him save Faye otherwise he will feel guilty.Jay once again is out played by Aaron.”

That is a good point imho. And I think those who nominated faye did it to get back at aaron cos they didn't have the balls to nominate aaron.

JoJo4

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“said all of that about ingroup/outgroup dynamics earlier in the thread so i agree with you there”

Sorry must have missed that - I didn't mean to disagree entirely, I just don't feel that he's depressed.

I;m sure he's pigged off and must be thinking 'OMG what next' but not frank depression.

Mind you, if Ch5 carry on like this with the edits, I'll be depressed, never mind Aaron

quasimoron

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“It seems to me that Aaron is suffering from all that he suffers in real life, but magnified by life in the house.

I don't think he's depressed, he's just concentrating on the game and trying to live day by day in that very difficult environment. He's tired and he's lost weight as they all probably have - although it's a while since they had very little food??

He's an intelligent man who knows his own mind, but he dislikes confrontation, or upsetting other people. However, if he did in truth have a game plan, he didn't allow for an emotional attachment - particularly with someone as needy as Faye. He's been in parent mode with her from the beginnng, and as those of us who are parents know, it's exhausting!

I also think that in the outside world when things don't suit him or start to go wrong, he walks away to re-group and re-assess. Sadly in the house that's not an option - or at least it is if you go and lie in bed alone for hours, but it removes him from the group. Groups like to know where they stand and who's who in that group, so removing himself from the equation on a regular basis unsettles the group, making them unite against the 'outsider'.

In these respects he's almost handed leadership to Jay, who takes over when Aaron is awol - and that's been a big proportion of the last few weeks.

Psychologically, removing yourself from the group dynamic always exposes you and makes you a target. Groups don't necessarily work/think/operate in the same way that single individuals do because the dynamic magnifies everything.

In the longer term Aaron needs to find more group friendly ways to deal with his inner turmoil - but I guess at 30 he's still not completely cooked!

On the other hand, he might be aware of all of the above and be prepared to go out on this limb for the sake of his principles - regardless of how that affects him in terms of the game and his chances of winning.”

The need to belong is a basic need. We all have it Aaron included..What he lacks is assertiveness and the communications skills to achieve that assertiveness..Instead he stews in anger his needs unmet.
There are times you have to clearly assert your needs and desires and there is no excuse for being annoyed if you do not let them be known.

For example the Indian meal, Aaron just mumbled his objections but instead he need to clearly state them. Jay is quite selfish at times and needs to be forced to embrace compromise.IMo Aaron lacks confidence when it comes to speaking out and would have less sulks if he was more assertive.

ohboy

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“the tweet says aaron is talking cheese.”

yes, over a half hour after dinner was over.

i guess he's trying?

grogdog

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by ohboy:
“jay has been an ok friend to aaron.

and jay knows exactly what faye's issue is. if aaron doesn't know already, maybe jay will clue him in.”

i agree that on a one on one basis it would appear that way, but when jay is talking with the rest of the group it would appear to contradict that

quasimoron

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“no but someone asked me to have a go so i did? its my belief from what i have seen etc and from talking to people who know him; i said he has good coping strategies to pick himself up but i think hes finding it harder; i find the tone of your post a bit condescending tbh when all im doing is responding to other posters questions?

ps i have talked with a psyche who used to be on the programme and she agrees with me and would actually go quite a bit further; signs are there whether you see 24/7 live feed or edited highlights”

Really what did she say? I agree wholeheartedly with you by the way.You know people who know him, interesting. That gives you a better insight then.

JoJo4

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“That is a good point imho. And I think those who nominated faye did it to get back at aaron cos they didn't have the balls to nominate aaron.”

I'm sure Faye was on some HMs hit list this week, but in a face to face nomination, the game players wouldn't have wanted to nom Aaron had they previously planned to.

I still feel I need to see exactly how it went before I can form a concrete opinion of it all. I wonder if the forum will go into meltdown after the HLs

quasimoron

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“I'm sure Faye was on some HMs hit list this week, but in a face to face nomination, the game players wouldn't have wanted to nom Aaron had they previously planned to.

I still feel I need to see exactly how it went before I can form a concrete opinion of it all. I wonder if the forum will go into meltdown after the HLs”

Its guaranteed, the good ole days eh.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“there is a difference in his strops though now isnt there, before you could almost hearing huffing and puffing now its literally just him sleeping or lying down hardly functioning i just dont think he has the STRENGTH to get out of these low moods anymore, hes given in to them rather than fighting them which he has done before now”

I think he has still got the strength - I think he just needs to do it differently now i.e. the sleeping. I think he knows he has a max of 11 days left and I think he will dig in and that we will see more of the upbeat fun aaron - however I do agree his lows will be lower and more often than they have been (he has averaged about one a week for most of BB - he has had two lows this week already. Its draining playing the game like he has done and factoring in faye at the same time (something he didn't intend to do).

I worry that in his head the game is now finished as he has gotten to the final and will therefore fade into the background. However, I just think that aaron is far to interesting and kind of stands out without even trying.

I still think we have some more good aaronisms to come yet.

JoJo4

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“The need to belong is a basic need. We all have it Aaron included..What he lacks is assertiveness and the communications skills to be achieve that assertiveness..Instead he stews in anger his needs unmet.
There are times you have to clearly assert your needs and desires and there is no excuse for being annoyed if you do not let them be known.

For example the Indian meal, Aaron just mumbled his objections but instead he need to clearly state them. Jay is quite selfish at times and needs to be forced to embrace compromise.IMo Aaron lacks confidence when it comes to speaking out and would have less sulks if he was more assertive.”

As I understand it, Aaron only came into the discussion about the laminate and the choices of food and music.

Had he been there at the beginning he could've made his point in a fairly low key way, whereas to come in when the decision is made and argue about it is way more difficult.

I;m not sure whether he lacks confidence or whether he just avoids confrontation for other reasons - he certainly doesn't like it!

He's much more aware of other ppl's feelings than most of the other HMs and part of that is bound to be because he's a parent.

He would however sulk less if he addressed issues which upset him, immediately, I agree totally. There's a big difference between unreasonably argumentative, and making your point in a clear and calm manner.

lisa1972

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by grogdog:
“lisa, would be interested in your opinion of faye, in the physchological point of view.”

Faye is a product of her upbringing+ past relationships; i get the feeling she has had the better time in their upbringing (jem and Faye i mean) which has caused some bitter sibling rivalries which we saw on the show;

She has a very loving and giving nature, but is riddled with insecurities and doubts about herself and the people around her; My assumption is that she has been badly burnt in her lifetime already and is always expecting to be hurt again

Problem is, Aaron likes his own space and doesnt like people invading that space when he wants it, whilst faye is totally the opposite she says she wants space but when she has it she hates it, and hates it when Aaron wants iteven if it isnt personal

The difference between Aaron and Faye is that i believe its "how Aaron is" but with Faye its "how she has been treated"

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“absolutely, anything that goes wrong in the game he can cope with, adjust his gameplan and come backfighting; What he cant cope with is feeling all the emotion for someone he didnt expect to have to factor in to the equation its almost as though for the past few weeks he has been playing the game for himself and also for Faye, protecting her, giving her the best chance he can to progress and now he cant do that anymore (i actually thing it was him admitting it last night when he said "you will get there on your own merits ie i cant help you anymore)

It is worrying, but he actually has good coping strategies which is a good thing; isolating himself from the things that stress him is a good way of trying to cope and regenerate himself”

he has excellent coping strategies I agree.

JoJo4

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“Its guaranteed, the good ole days eh.”

Can't wait

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“I worry that in his head the game is now finished as he has gotten to the final and will therefore fade into the background. However, I just think that aaron is far to interesting and kind of stands out without even trying.

I still think we have some more good aaronisms to come yet.”

I don't think he will - unless this impasse isn't addressed.

If he stays outside of the group, he could sleep for days and that would be handing it all to Jay on a plate.

Given that a day in the house is like a week in the real world, I'm confident(ish) that he'll get over himself and be entertaining us in the right way, soon enough.

lisa1972

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by quasimoron:
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Really what did she say? I agree wholeheartedly with you by the way.You know people who know him, interesting. That gives you a better insight then.”

she said that if rigorous psyche testing would have been implemented this yr that Aaron and a couple of others may not even have got in

grogdog

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“Faye is a product of her upbringing+ past relationships; i get the feeling she has had the better time in their upbringing (jem and Faye i mean) which has caused some bitter sibling rivalries which we saw on the show;

She has a very loving and giving nature, but is riddled with insecurities and doubts about herself and the people around her; My assumption is that she has been badly burnt in her lifetime already and is always expecting to be hurt again

Problem is, Aaron likes his own space and doesnt like people invading that space when he wants it, whilst faye is totally the opposite she says she wants space but when she has it she hates it, and hates it when Aaron wants iteven if it isnt personal

The difference between Aaron and Faye is that i believe its "how Aaron is" but with Faye its "how she has been treated"”

cheers

grogdog

31-10-2011

took this from the mf, interesting and plausible and if true, all he had to do was tell faye and all would be good.

Why Aaron did what he did............

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There is a lot of talk on the forum right now, aimed toward blasting Aaron it has to be said. We all know Aaron, after a round of failed nominations, decided to go against the group plan and nominate who he wanted to. If you did not know, you do now .

Now, from what I have seen an angle has not been covered yet. Getting through all the opinionated threads and trying to find logic was difficult. So here is my thought.

I believe that Aaron nominated Louise because he believes that she is one of the weaker housemates and, rightfully, for doing literally nothing for the entire time, deserves to be judged by the public. The people that have faced eviction and lived to tell the tale deserve to be in the final because the public has effectively put them there.

Now, as a result of him making this move, I believe he anticipated a move by the other voters. A move that surely we all would anticipate in Aaron's postion. That is retaliation in the form of voting for Aaron. When Aaron made the move, he surely knew he would be facing Louise and he probably thought he would destroy her in the Eviction. This move also protects Faye and kills Louise.

What he did not bet on, was by some kind of miracle, the housemates did not clock onto what he had done and stuck to the plan. Then, when Louise voted, she had the power to choose who she wanted up. Realising Aaron has not been beaten, why not put up the one closest to him, Faye.

Ahhhh well, these are my thoughts on this situation. I look forward to seeing how this pans out tonight. I hope they show that the first round was reset because of their plan, and not just show the second. People will understand better then. Also, why are they mad? If the plan worked they would be up anyway. Now most of them are in the final. Nothing to cry about. This is a game afterall...

lisa1972

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by grogdog:
“cheers”

i know thats not great but i actually find Faye really difficult to read

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