The Aaron Appreciation Thread (Part 7)

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Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“It seems to me that Aaron is suffering from all that he suffers in real life, but magnified by life in the house.

I don't think he's depressed, he's just concentrating on the game and trying to live day by day in that very difficult environment. He's tired and he's lost weight as they all probably have - although it's a while since they had very little food??

He's an intelligent man who knows his own mind, but he dislikes confrontation, or upsetting other people. However, if he did in truth have a game plan, he didn't allow for an emotional attachment - particularly with someone as needy as Faye. He's been in parent mode with her from the beginnng, and as those of us who are parents know, it's exhausting!

I also think that in the outside world when things don't suit him or start to go wrong, he walks away to re-group and re-assess. Sadly in the house that's not an option - or at least it is if you go and lie in bed alone for hours, but it removes him from the group. Groups like to know where they stand and who's who in that group, so removing himself from the equation on a regular basis unsettles the group, making them unite against the 'outsider'.

In these respects he's almost handed leadership to Jay, who takes over when Aaron is awol - and that's been a big proportion of the last few weeks.

Psychologically, removing yourself from the group dynamic always exposes you and makes you a target. Groups don't necessarily work/think/operate in the same way that single individuals do because the dynamic magnifies everything.

In the longer term Aaron needs to find more group friendly ways to deal with his inner turmoil - but I guess at 30 he's still not completely cooked!

On the other hand, he might be aware of all of the above and be prepared to go out on this limb for the sake of his principles - regardless of how that affects him in terms of the game and his chances of winning.”

I think he seems to have gotten better as the weeks have gone on. When he first used to take himself off he would be alone and under his duvet for ages not responding and not talking to anyone. Now at least even though he still takes himself from the group he does talk to the group one-on-one. Even when they were slagging him off today and jay said "when are we all going to be together again?" most of the HMs said "well I had a chat with him earlier" and "we have been talking about such and such" so although he is taking himself away from the group, he isn't taking himself away from the individuals in the group.

Jay on the otherhand can't seem to do anything other than "group" of which he has to be head boy.

JoJo4

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“Faye is a product of her upbringing+ past relationships; i get the feeling she has had the better time in their upbringing (jem and Faye i mean) which has caused some bitter sibling rivalries which we saw on the show;

She has a very loving and giving nature, but is riddled with insecurities and doubts about herself and the people around her; My assumption is that she has been badly burnt in her lifetime already and is always expecting to be hurt again

Problem is, Aaron likes his own space and doesnt like people invading that space when he wants it, whilst faye is totally the opposite she says she wants space but when she has it she hates it, and hates it when Aaron wants iteven if it isnt personal

The difference between Aaron and Faye is that i believe its "how Aaron is" but with Faye its "how she has been treated"”

Faye is definitely damaged in some way - she's alluded to it in the house and it's clear from her behaviours.
Knowing what we do of her family (mother and sister) I'm not remotely surprised!

'How Aaron is' is bound to be a product of his previous life too, but he's not damaged in the psychological sense, and has better coping mechanisms than Faye.

He's bound to understand simple family dynamics better than she does, as he's been married and is a parent, both of which are enormous learning curves on so many levels!

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Mr_X_123:
“Wish Aaron would stop talkin to Jay. He is not to be trusted.

I'd have thought Aaron would have worked that out by now. Clearly not!”

oh aaron only tells jay what he wants him to know - its mostly jay who does the talking from what I have seen.

grogdog

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“i know thats not great but i actually find Faye really difficult to read”

she does appear to have her own mind regardless of what her mother or sister think. not just in her relationship with aaron but also the relationship she talked about with a 40 year old, as i'm sure her mother wouldnt have been to keen on this. strange one

JoJo4

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“I think he seems to have gotten better as the weeks have gone on. When he first used to take himself off he would be alone and under his duvet for ages not responding and not talking to anyone. Now at least even though he still takes himself from the group he does talk to the group one-on-one. Even when they were slagging him off today and jay said "when are we all going to be together again?" most of the HMs said "well I had a chat with him earlier" and "we have been talking about such and such" so although he is taking himself away from the group, he isn't taking himself away from the individuals in the group.

Jay on the otherhand can't seem to do anything other than "group" of which he has to be head boy.”

Jay isn't multi-dimensional is he??

It seems to me though that it's the other HMs who've made the efforts today to talk to him, rather than the other way round.

To the group as a whole, that still puts him outside.

quasimoron

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“she said that if rigorous psyche testing would have been implemented this yr that Aaron and a couple of others may not even have got in”

Wow I wont ask who the few others are.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“Sorry must have missed that - I didn't mean to disagree entirely, I just don't feel that he's depressed.

I;m sure he's pigged off and must be thinking 'OMG what next' but not frank depression.

Mind you, if Ch5 carry on like this with the edits, I'll be depressed, never mind Aaron”

do you think we could join together and get a bulk order in of vallium (or whatever the new drug on the street is for such things). I feel exhausted never mind aaron.

lisa1972

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“Wow I wont ask who the few others are.”

lol i think we may guess at two?

Jay and Rebeckah?

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“The need to belong is a basic need. We all have it Aaron included..What he lacks is assertiveness and the communications skills to achieve that assertiveness..Instead he stews in anger his needs unmet.
There are times you have to clearly assert your needs and desires and there is no excuse for being annoyed if you do not let them be known.

For example the Indian meal, Aaron just mumbled his objections but instead he need to clearly state them. Jay is quite selfish at times and needs to be forced to embrace compromise.IMo Aaron lacks confidence when it comes to speaking out and would have less sulks if he was more assertive.”

I would so love to be in that house with Jay - he wouldn't know what hit him!!

ucra girl

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by lisa1972:
“wow hes a complex guy thats for sure; I think hes a master gameplayer, hes studied that show so much and he knows what it takes to get to the final (he has never ever said he wants to win, he believed he would get to the final and be out first) but knew that the game he was playing was dangerous and that people would love and hate him; I think his ultimate goal was not to win, but to be remembered and he has certainly acheived that!

Faye was the extraneous variable he didnt factor into his game plan, he is a rationaliser an analyser and he didnt want to factor emotions into his gameplans (hence his not here to make friends comment) but Faye made him do that and since then he has been fighting to keep his plans intact more and more each week (he looks exhausted imo they need to keep an eye on him)

As for now, he has got what he always wanted and thats a place in the final, but to me he doesnt want it now he looks a beaten man, one who is going through the motions; he wont walk but i dont think we will see him make much effort from now on in

As for him as a man, hes an outwardly confident male who has the strength of hisown convictions and will stand up for them even if that means he becomes disliked or isolated; He doesnt deal well with conflict,he has not raised his voice once in there, he will go away, sort his head out then reintegrate when he feels he is able; it is not about feeling sorry for himself its about not wanting to inflict his moods on the others;

i genuinely believe he is sufering from classic signs of early anxiety and depression, he has lost a lot of weight, and i hope he is being monitored; He is showing signs of stress you can almost see the adrenaline pumping to keep him going at times but the last 2 days he has shown signs that his body cant maintain those levelsof stress and is shutting down hence the increased sleep, lethargy and mood swings

(again a lot of psychobabble)”

I find it hard to believe that after such a roller coaster ride Aaron hasnt raised his voice once.It is a BB record imo.

Containsnuts

31-10-2011

BBUKLive Big Brother Live
2052: The housemates have been given alcohol. Tom and Aaron are deciding what to do with it

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by grogdog:
“i agree that on a one on one basis it would appear that way, but when jay is talking with the rest of the group it would appear to contradict that”

Jay has a new tack with aaron - its the classic build him up knock him down strategy "he is my mate and I wouldn't say a bad word about him" then proceeds to say a number of bad words about him to anyone who will listen.

he thinks we are as daft as he is.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“Can't wait

I don't think he will - unless this impasse isn't addressed.

If he stays outside of the group, he could sleep for days and that would be handing it all to Jay on a plate.

Given that a day in the house is like a week in the real world, I'm confident(ish) that he'll get over himself and be entertaining us in the right way, soon enough.”

from the tweets he seems to be coming round already - so fingers crossed.

quasimoron

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“I find it hard to believe that after such a roller coaster ride Aaron hasnt raised his voice once.It is a BB record imo.”

Thats a lot of self control, I have seen anger in his eyes.I would love to see him blast off at them all.

lisa1972

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“Thats a lot of self control, I have seen anger in his eyes.I would love to see him blast off at them all.”

i actually cant wait for him to come out the house! i genuinely think Harrys bitching will seem like a fairy tale! i genuinely think he may let rip then

quasimoron

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Containsnuts:
“BBUKLive Big Brother Live
2052: The housemates have been given alcohol. Tom and Aaron are deciding what to do with it”

Tom is quite attached to Aaron despite his bitching.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

I do wonder if despite all the issues with faye (of which there are many on both sides) whether his relationship with her has helped him stay less out of the group and more in with it. I think Jay would like nothing more than to isolate him - but I think given his connection with faye that is less likely to happen cos she is so drawn to him and won't allow that to happen for long. What do you reckon?

psychmed

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“Jay has a new tack with aaron - its the classic build him up knock him down strategy "he is my mate and I wouldn't say a bad word about him" then proceeds to say a number of bad words about him to anyone who will listen. he thinks we are as daft as he is.”

That is one very scary thought

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by grogdog:
“took this from the mf, interesting and plausible and if true, all he had to do was tell faye and all would be good.

Why Aaron did what he did............

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There is a lot of talk on the forum right now, aimed toward blasting Aaron it has to be said. We all know Aaron, after a round of failed nominations, decided to go against the group plan and nominate who he wanted to. If you did not know, you do now .

Now, from what I have seen an angle has not been covered yet. Getting through all the opinionated threads and trying to find logic was difficult. So here is my thought.

I believe that Aaron nominated Louise because he believes that she is one of the weaker housemates and, rightfully, for doing literally nothing for the entire time, deserves to be judged by the public. The people that have faced eviction and lived to tell the tale deserve to be in the final because the public has effectively put them there.

Now, as a result of him making this move, I believe he anticipated a move by the other voters. A move that surely we all would anticipate in Aaron's postion. That is retaliation in the form of voting for Aaron. When Aaron made the move, he surely knew he would be facing Louise and he probably thought he would destroy her in the Eviction. This move also protects Faye and kills Louise.

What he did not bet on, was by some kind of miracle, the housemates did not clock onto what he had done and stuck to the plan. Then, when Louise voted, she had the power to choose who she wanted up. Realising Aaron has not been beaten, why not put up the one closest to him, Faye.

Ahhhh well, these are my thoughts on this situation. I look forward to seeing how this pans out tonight. I hope they show that the first round was reset because of their plan, and not just show the second. People will understand better then. Also, why are they mad? If the plan worked they would be up anyway. Now most of them are in the final. Nothing to cry about. This is a game afterall...”

I said all that a few pages back. He expected them to nominate him in retaliation, they didn't have the balls and nominated faye as the one closest to him - including Tom!!!!!!! Tom would never have nominated faye imho under normal circumstances.

MsLucifer

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“you see what underlays all this for me is that I just won't believe the edit is the whole truth choose as how they cut it. It will be a selection of half truths and misrepresentation from BB and as such I will pretty much take it with a pinch of salt.

Half of me is actually hoping he did shaft them on purpose. I don't really like any of the others anyway, and frankly its every man for himself at this stage.

Oh and I find it particularly delicious that he messed up jays plan - which was all about protecting louise imho.”

It's weird that even without LF we can tell the editing is off. Just from the half a dozen clips we get a day we can see how conversations an situations have been manipulated to fit in with the production teams narrative.

My guess would be he didn't trust Jay to go through with his part of the plan and I think he was just plan sick of being told how to vote. I know I would be in his position. I'd be a nightmare housemate, I can't bear being told what to do or how to do it

ucra girl

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“Faye is definitely damaged in some way - she's alluded to it in the house and it's clear from her behaviours.
Knowing what we do of her family (mother and sister) I'm not remotely surprised!

'How Aaron is' is bound to be a product of his previous life too, but he's not damaged in the psychological sense, and has better coping mechanisms than Faye.

He's bound to understand simple family dynamics better than she does, as he's been married and is a parent, both of which are enormous learning curves on so many levels!”

Faye has been damaged by her family.The BB house seems to be a relief for her to do what she wants.She is actually dreading going back to real life.She sees Aaron as her saviour in some ways.They seem to have a plan of what they are going to do.Faye seems to live with or near her Mum and hardly sees Jem.She is more worried about her Mum.Of course they hardly realise that there will be work because they have been talking holidays.

sarah78

31-10-2011

Just been watching the egg task and the cooking one, Aaron just looks washed out and tired, he really didn't want the girls and tom in the kitchen while cooking, that annoyed me watching it i think he'll bounce back later tonight or tomorrow after a talk with Faye at some point. At this point i just don't care any more if Faaron are on or off he's just tired of everything if it happens between them then it does but i think it might be the end for them.

Cornchips

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by MsLucifer:
“It's weird that even without LF we can tell the editing is off. Just from the half a dozen clips we get a day we can see how conversations an situations have been manipulated to fit in with the production teams narrative.

My guess would be he didn't trust Jay to go through with his part of the plan and I think he was just plan sick of being told how to vote. I know I would be in his position. I'd be a nightmare housemate, I can't bear being told what to do or how to do it ”

no me neither - I will even do what I don't really want to do or what is not best for me if I feel someone is trying to tell me what to do.

CHARMER1

31-10-2011

Taking all this into consideration do we vote to keep in Faye in ???

I would hate to see Louise with Jay in the final.

I think I will vote for Faye personally, what is everyone else doing ?

Containsnuts

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by sarah78:
“Just been watching the egg task and the cooking one, Aaron just looks washed out and tired, he really didn't want the girls and tom in the kitchen while cooking, that annoyed me watching it i think he'll bounce back later tonight or tomorrow after a talk with Faye at some point. At this point i just don't care any more if Faaron are on or off he's just tired of everything if it happens between them then it does but i think it might be the end for them.”

He does look totally knackered.

Hopefully he will bounce back soon

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