The Ratings Thread (Part 27)

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iaindb

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Lynn293:
“Sam tweeted the averages didn't he? This James fella only tweeted the peaks and nothing else.

Mind you I don't follow his (Sam) tweets avidly.”

Sam tweeted the average because Strictly topped the ratings last night so there was no need for him to twist the figures. Let's see what he tweets tomorrow if X Factor wins tonight.

RobbieSykes123

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by ronant:
“Countryfile has an highly informative feature on Heath and safety for farmers at the moment. All about the do's and dont's whilst out and about on the farm. Should be good for another 7m.”

Damned BBC. Chasing ratings as ever....

Brekkie

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Score:
“Agree with this, 16 is too many for the live shows and the twist shouldn't be repeated. I like that idea for bootcamp too - they certainly need to change it. Mel B and Emma Bunton for BGT could work”

Mel B is bloody awful on the Aussie version of X Factor, and Emma Bunton has hardly set Dancing on Ice on fire.

I do think replacing any of the three newbies would be a mistake - they're scapegoats for Simon nicking alot of the production staff for the US version as it's the production which has really been lacking this year. I'd hope they'd all be offered the chance to stay - but I'm not 100% sure Kelly and Gary will. Interesting too how the nation turned on Kelly once she took her sickie. I think if two judges go though it might be better to cut the panel to three next year rather than have another two new judges - though I suspect Dannii at least might be back.

Agree though they need to cut back to a top 12 and definately sort out the boot camp stage. And Louis should be kept well away from Britain's Got Talent - his two previous guest stints just show he doesn't get it.

wizzywick

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“In spoiler: What to do with the Syco shows that the majority probably don't want to read through.

Spoiler

Personally I'd move Louis across to Britain's Got Talent and team him up with Paul O'Grady (replacing The Hoff). It wouldn't be the most mind blowing panel ever, but I think they'd work together well and I wouldn't fancy being in Simon's shoes if he returned for the lives again and disagreed with one of Paul's choices.

However, they can only lose Louis from The X Factor if they can find another judge to foist the joke acts on and make it look credible and the only person I can think of is Robbie Williams - he is a lose cannon but the show needs that; if they were going for Noel Gallagher, why not Williams? I'd keep Tulisa personally as she's probably gone down best with the audience and she has mentored well this year (well, Little Mix, anyway). Gary already has an escape route and Kelly can save face by replacing Nicole on the USA version - I think she'd work well over there. Replace the latter with Mel B, who would at least work well with Louis and hopefully, by default, Tulisa and can be a 'villain' going by the Australian version.

The second male judge is harder to name; Simon would be perfect but I don't think FOX would allow him to split his time considering The X Factor isn't pulling up trees in the States. Maybe Michael Buble? He has more personality than Gary and I can see him holding his own.

The big question is whether Robbie would agree to it as he'd be the big name in the panel; if they play to his ego and tell him he can get one over Gary (especially if Gary doesn't win this year) he may go for it. Cheryl may also be in the frame but I think Tulisa would need to be ditched for her to return and I'm not sure how she would cope without Simon's support.

As for the set: I'm sure it'll change but I think they should look at The Voice's layout before making any concrete decisions as they won't want to be accused of copying it. They could always copy the Eurovision set of 2009 and add moving parts to it.

The audition stages need to be stacked with the stronger auditionees with odd joke act which'll stand out more amongst the good. They also need to end on a high; to be honest I think a lot of viewers were put off by Ceri's audition and the pre-bootcamp cull which mustn't be repeated. I wouldn't like them to split the categories between the judges at this point as that takes the away momentum from judges houses, as it'd just become an extension. I think they maybe should look at how Over the Rainbow approached the stage a couple of years ago and pack them off somewhere with vocal coaches/choreographers where they can hone their skills before they perform in front of the judges with the coaches chipping in opinions.

Judges Houses should basically remain the same; except maybe they should show both performances from both acts on ITV1? The live shows can start with 16, but have a cull of 4 like this year but involving a public vote (maybe the public voting and then the mentor has to choose between the bottom two of their category). And no double eviction until the semi final stage, just in case something like Frankie happens again.

And basically hope the talent turns up!

That's a fantastic rating for Strictly, but I think the lack of shocked comments about it winning the night says it all; it was fairly predictable considering the hype built around the night compared to the lack of anything for The X Factor. I think Strictly is becoming more and more X-Factorised so I'll be interested to see how the current executive producer does with The Voice (which she's taking over) considering it's supposed to be relatively stripped down. And which direction with Strictly take next year with someone new in charge? Still, a brilliant figure.

A trodden on snail has more momentum than The X Factor at the moment; it's a shame Kitty didn't stay in the place of Misha B last week as I think she did bring an entertainment element to it which was slightly lacking last night, although the remainder are reasonably talented and I thought it was a good show overall. As was I'm A Celebrity... which will be having executives scratching their heads over; though it's worth bearing in mind the lead in will probably have been less than 10m - The X Factor seems to lose viewers from around 9pm onwards. Both shows should bounce back tonight, and I'm A Celebrity... will have an easier time of it next week as it won't have to face Children In Need or Frozen Planet.

Knowing performed brilliantly for Channel 4; An Audience with Ken Dodd did well for Channel 5; QI:XL recorded a decent figure for BBC Two and I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here Now is holding up much better than I expected it to considering the panning the first episode received.”

Are you just a BBC basher and an ITV lover? The X Factor is hyped up every single day in every newspaper. It has story after story of X Factor "crisis' etc. whereas SCD is not publicised half as much. What is amazing is the superb ratings for Merlin which gets hardly any publicity at all., I think you are a little blinkered and SCD deserved it's fabulous ratings last night. It was a fabulous 80 minutes of pure old fashioned entertainment.

Fudd

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Are you just a BBC basher and an ITV lover? The X Factor is hyped up every single day in every newspaper. It has story after story of X Factor "crisis' etc. whereas SCD is not publicised half as much. What is amazing is the superb ratings for Merlin which gets hardly any publicity at all., I think you are a little blinkered and SCD deserved it's fabulous ratings last night. It was a fabulous 80 minutes of pure old fashioned entertainment.”

Mostly it's hyped to heaven, but on Friday a TV Previewer on BBC Radio said 'there's been nothing on The X Factor this week, absolutely nothing' - it was only at that point that I thought 'Oh, yeah, there hasn't been'. Not to the point we usually see anyway.

I agree with you, generally The X Factor is hyped far more than Strictly but for the past week, purely because of Wembley, Strictly has had more hype and momentum.

Good point re. Merlin. I think because Strictly is doing so well and The X Factor is struggling, relatively speaking, it kind of gets lost in the debate.

Glenn A

20-11-2011

Strictly is a classier show and far more entertaining than TXF, but you can't argue with TXF in ratings terms. However, walking past the paper stands in Asda with my girlfriend tyhis morning, you can't help but notice all the redtops and their screaming XF headlines. Wonder what the likes of The Daily Star would do if it was cancelled.

grimshaw

20-11-2011

Even Dermot pointed out nothing had happened this week papers wise!

On Merlin - last year we all made a bigger thing about it - now its just a solid great hitter and perfect against X Factor.
Funny thing is people still probably see Casualty as a stronger show! (its irritating that this time of year I always point out it needs to go to 20 eps a year, but I know full well with low competition it pulls 5-6 million easy)

I do think its crazy everyone is saying Stirctly was a one off last night - its like people are ignoring the fact that 'Wembly' was not that heavily trailed and that Strictly may hold onto that audience week on week.

Can't see it doing as good as Factor tonight - but I don't see it being too strong either. Its sort of disappeared this week.

In terms of mixing up X Factor - they just need a wee refresh - nothing drastic, just make it lighter - more entertaining - I think they should look to have some duets and stuff throughout the competition just to make it a bit fun.

Judges - keep Tulisa and Louis, and replace Kelly and Gary. People underestimate what Louis brings to the table I feel.

Fudd

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“Even Dermot pointed out nothing had happened this week papers wise!

On Merlin - last year we all made a bigger thing about it - now its just a solid great hitter and perfect against X Factor.
Funny thing is people still probably see Casualty as a stronger show! (its irritating that this time of year I always point out it needs to go to 20 eps a year, but I know full well with low competition it pulls 5-6 million easy)

I do think its crazy everyone is saying Stirctly was a one off last night - its like people are ignoring the fact that 'Wembly' was not that heavily trailed and that Strictly may hold onto that audience week on week.

Can't see it doing as good as Factor tonight - but I don't see it being too strong either. Its sort of disappeared this week.

In terms of mixing up X Factor - they just need a wee refresh - nothing drastic, just make it lighter - more entertaining - I think they should look to have some duets and stuff throughout the competition just to make it a bit fun.

Judges - keep Tulisa and Louis, and replace Kelly and Gary. People underestimate what Louis brings to the table I feel.”

I think it'll build now. It has the momentum behind it. Maybe not by much week by week but shows should grow approaching the final and I think Strictly will do so.

Wembley was just a perfect midseason pick up for it.

Chris1964

20-11-2011

[quote=Fudd;54731555]I think it'll build now. It has the momentum behind it. Maybe not by much week by week but shows should grow approaching the final and I think Strictly will do so.

Wembley was just a perfect midseason pick up for it.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

As a focal point for some of the celebs its perfect.

And,if you add in the results show too, it was one of the most spectacular entertainment shows so far this century imo.

It should be an annual event.

Andy23

20-11-2011

I'm a Celeb is dominating twitter at the moment so I expect higher ratings than last night!

Fudd

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I'm a Celeb is dominating twitter at the moment so I expect higher ratings than last night!”

Even if it wasn't dominating Twitter I'd expect it to do better than last night!

iaindb

20-11-2011

I was going to say that the big acheivement for last night's Strictly would be if it beats X Factor in the officials,because it didn't the last time it won in the overnights (October 29th). But then I look at the BARB website and I see that Strictly did win in the officials... or not depending on your view of +1.

Strictly official = 11.286
X Factor (incl HD, excl +1) = 11.061
X Factor (incl HD and +1) = 11.394

dan2008

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I'm a Celeb is dominating twitter at the moment so I expect higher ratings than last night!”

Yep. Even #Neighbours was trending because of it.
Might over run by about 50 years if this Trial doesn't get done soon

I saw Strictly advert once and i watch alot on BBC

RobbieSykes123

20-11-2011

[quote=Chris1964;54732066]

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think it'll build now. It has the momentum behind it. Maybe not by much week by week but shows should grow approaching the final and I think Strictly will do so.

Wembley was just a perfect midseason pick up for it.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

As a focal point for some of the celebs its perfect.

And,if you add in the results show too, it was one of the most spectacular entertainment shows so far this century imo.

It should be an annual event.”

I wonder how many people watched SCD last night or tonight and then, switching to TXF - as millions clearly do - thought "this is a bit pants in comparison" and drifted off elsewhere?

I don't watch TXF (nor do I routinely watch SCD in fairness), but I'm quite sure in terms of all round entertainment and as a spectacle, SCD absolutely blitzed TXF this weekend.

Glenn A

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“Maybe he is missing the glory days of Saturday night ITV1 - 321, Beadles About, Game For a Laugh, Blind Date, You Bet!”

All massive shows and well loved by the audience. Could I add Robin of Sherwood, Dempsey and Makepeace and CATS Eyes to the list.
Mind you I could go further back into LWT's archives to the flared trousers era and add a daring, rather dark police show called New Scotland Yard with John Woodvine as an early version of Jim Taggart. Odd then, as it was a bit of dark show among all the comedians and game shows, but some viewers enjoyed it, yet Google references aren't overly forthcoming. Anyone else remember NSY?

Fudd

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I was going to say that the big acheivement for last night's Strictly would be if it beats X Factor in the officials,because it didn't the last time it won in the overnights (October 29th). But then I look at the BARB website and I see that Strictly did win in the officials... or not depending on your view of +1.

Strictly official = 11.286
X Factor (incl HD, excl +1) = 11.061
X Factor (incl HD and +1) = 11.394”

That week there was a gap of 517k (exc. +1)/240k (inc. +1) between the two shows, which closed to 225k (exc. +1)/ -108k (inc. +1). This week there was a gap of 996k (exc. +1)/655k (inc. +1)...the show couldn't close a gap of 517k before so I'll be surprised if Strictly doesn't claim the number two spot come official time (I'll be surprised if it beats The X Factor's Results Show...but then again, maybe Strictly's Results will do that!

)

Roscoe Barnes

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“One thing is for sure: my 13.1m inc. +1 prediction on the DSRPG looks hopeless now. Typical that it would be X Factor that derailed my good week. ”

Some people might call that karma? Not me though...

JCR

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I'm a Celeb is dominating twitter at the moment so I expect higher ratings than last night!”

It means nothing. You can trend worldwide with less than 2000 tweets at certain times of the day.

C14E

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I do think replacing any of the three newbies would be a mistake - they're scapegoats for Simon nicking alot of the production staff for the US version as it's the production which has really been lacking this year. I'd hope they'd all be offered the chance to stay - but I'm not 100% sure Kelly and Gary will. Interesting too how the nation turned on Kelly once she took her sickie. I think if two judges go though it might be better to cut the panel to three next year rather than have another two new judges - though I suspect Dannii at least might be back. ”

The Exec Producers are largely the same as last year. The only one that has left is Andrew Llinares. Brian left as well and so did Tim Byrne (I think his "Creative Director" role was similar to what that Eliot Kennedy guy is doing now under the title "Arist Development").They took the Series Producer of Britain's Got Talent too. But I don't think it's a crazy amount of change, tbh. Not as much as was being suggested. They hired an American and a US based Brit for 2 of the top jobs on X Factor US rather than giving them all to X Factor UK staff as some reports said they would.

I think it was going wrong for Kelly from the start of the live shows, the sickie didn't help and gave people something else to use against her. Maybe it's a case of "less is more". Kelly & Tulisa were more openly hostile than Cheryl/Dannii ever were yet people seem far less interested. They tried to make Tulisa the new Cheryl but it just hasn't worked. And the dynamics on the show actually have Tulisa more as Dannii and Kelly as Cheryl and Kelly certainly hasn't made a great impact either.

I kind of agree that they can't bring in another bunch of new judges having just done the "next generation" thing. Cowell
won't be back, Cheryl may or may not be willing to do it... so they may be limited in terms of options. Especially when The Voice is recruiting and it doesn't really seem to have paid off for Gary/Kelly/Tulisa this year.

But I'm not sure that sitting tight and hoping people care about these judges next year is an option for ITV. The likes of Cowell and Cole hit the ground running, got everyone talking in their first years. In the US, J'Lo seems to be the new public image of Idol.

Especially if The Voice has judges that go down well, they risk looking even worse bringing back a panel that hasn't been overly popular.

Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“Can Sombody give me a list of the top 10 most watched programs in USA And Australia for this year?

Thanks ”

I've never seen an official list. But it'll include a lot of sport. The post-Superbowl Glee episode, The Academy Awards, The Grammy Awards, American Idol, Two and a Half Men, NCIS and Dancing With The Stars. Can't think of anything else that got more than 20m.

Pizzatheaction

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Pizzatheaction: Neighbours' final episode of 2011 will be at 1:45pm and 5:30pm on Friday 16th December. ”

Thanks, Dancc.

Gives me three weeks to catch up.

Pizzatheaction

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I've just seen the trailer for "That's Britain!", it looks even worse than it already seems.

With an EastEnders lead in and ITV showing football, I expect it will mop up a good 4-5 million viewers though.”

What about week two, though?

Fudd

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by C14E:
“The Exec Producers are largely the same as last year. The only one that has left is Andrew Llinares. Brian left as well and so did Tim Byrne (I think his "Creative Director" role was similar to what that Eliot Kennedy guy is doing now under the title "Arist Development").They took the Series Producer of Britain's Got Talent too. But I don't think it's a crazy amount of change, tbh. Not as much as was being suggested. They hired an American and a US based Brit for 2 of the top jobs on X Factor US rather than giving them all to X Factor UK staff as some reports said they would.

I think it was going wrong for Kelly from the start of the live shows, the sickie didn't help and gave people something else to use against her. Maybe it's a case of "less is more". Kelly & Tulisa were more openly hostile than Cheryl/Dannii ever were yet people seem far less interested. They tried to make Tulisa the new Cheryl but it just hasn't worked. And the dynamics on the show actually have Tulisa more as Dannii and Kelly as Cheryl and Kelly certainly hasn't made a great impact either.

I kind of agree that they can't bring in another bunch of new judges having just done the "next generation" thing. Cowell
won't be back, Cheryl may or may not be willing to do it... so they may be limited in terms of options. Especially when The Voice is recruiting and it doesn't really seem to have paid off for Gary/Kelly/Tulisa this year.

But I'm not sure that sitting tight and hoping people care about these judges next year is an option for ITV. The likes of Cowell and Cole hit the ground running, got everyone talking in their first years. In the US, J'Lo seems to be the new public image of Idol.

Especially if The Voice has judges that go down well, they risk looking even worse bringing back a panel that hasn't been overly popular.”

I'm sure Gary will resign (whether it's jump-before-pushed or of his own free will is another matter) and Kelly will be moved sideways to the US version. Then they can bring in two new judges of their own accord, saying they didn't want to change the panel but had to because of resignation/the nasty old USA version stealing a judge. I think Tulisa and Louis will remain next year unless Louis isn't bluffing with his quit speak. TBH, for all of the criticism of Louis I think he carries the light-hearted side of it and as he's become more depressed this year the series has as well.

Dancc

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Some people might call that karma? Not me though... ”

LOL! Yes, my shameless bragging the other day did me no favours.

For me to take the week now TXF needs to rate ~12.1m or 12.8m+ which doesn't look likely!

Fudd

20-11-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“LOL! Yes, my shameless bragging the other day did me no favours.

For me to take the week now TXF needs to rate ~12.1m or 12.8m+ which doesn't look likely!”

You'll just have to hope that everyone loves Rihanna.

GBali

20-11-2011

Does anyone know the AI of Merlin ep5-8? I know the first four episodes got 88, 90, 89, 89.

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