Originally Posted by Dancc:
“, it's only a television channel.
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“, it's only a television channel.
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That may come back to haunt you!
The Ratings Thread (Part 27)
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Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“That may come back to haunt you!”
“That may come back to haunt you!”
Probably. Another stick to beat me with.
[quote=Brekkie;54277256]Clutching at straws there me thinks - the only way ratings might rise next year is if C5 show it a bit of respect and bring back the live feed - but frankly I think BB was forgiven once for that and won't be forgiven again. I really do think both Celeb BB and the main series will perform worse than their equivalents from this year (I'd predict just under 2m for CBB, and just over 1m for BB) and Big Brother will become yet another show that went to C5 to die - even though it was already dead!
Not quite dead, as ratings were up 20 pc for its last run on Channel 4. However, Channel 4 were sick of the show and really wanted to cancel it after 2007 but couldn't
Not quite dead, as ratings were up 20 pc for its last run on Channel 4. However, Channel 4 were sick of the show and really wanted to cancel it after 2007 but couldn't
Speaking of reality shows, how has the outdoors answer to BB, Shipwrecked, been doing on Channel 4? I'm surprised they revived it as ratings slumped for the last series.
Oh, the irony Dancc. 
Thanks for all that rzt and it pretty much sums up what many of us have been saying all along - even if BB boosts it's own slots, the knock-on effects throughout the schedule are basically not worth it and despite the spin C5 may put on things, they cannot be making money out of Big Brother. Not only was it the wrong time for Big Brother, it was the wrong time for C5 too.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Here's some averages since normal BB began on Channel 5 and the equivalent averages last year:
All Day Shares
2010- 4.7%
2011- 4.5%
Since the week beginning 18th September (first full week of BB), Channel 5 has averaged 4.5% until the latest BARB week. In the equivalent weeks last year, C5 averaged 4.7%. So the channel has experienced a year-on-year decline of -5% in that BB period. This decline is more than the y-o-y drops (-3%) which C5 experienced from January to July this year before BB was introduced on the channel. So basically, since normal BB began, C5 has lost more share y-o-y than their first 7 months of the year pre-BB era.
Primetime Shares
2010- 4.9%
2011- 4.4%
Since Friday 9th September (BB launch) to yesterday, C5's primetime share average has been 4.4%. In the equivalent period last year, their average was 4.9%. So there has been a year-on-year decline of -10% in that BB period, despite them bringing in Big Brother at a reported programming cost of almost £400,000 per hour, significantly higher than what they usually pay for most shows. They surely would've hoped BB would boost their share, not contribute to a -10% primetime share?
10pm Monday-Thursday slot
2010- 1.1m
2011- 1.4m
Since civilian BB started, the 10pm highlights shows have averaged 1.35m. In the equivalent period last year, Channel 5 averaged 1.12m in the 10pm slot. So there has been a rise of +21% vs. last year at 10pm. What needs to be considered though is that a lot of the 10pm programming this time last year were film repeats which must've cost considerably less than an hour of BB. Also although the 10pm slot is up about 20%, as noted previously, the primetime share is down quite sharply - some of this will be due to the effect BB has had in moving other shows around the schedule which have not rated as well as they used to: L&O CI, L&O SVU, Gadget Show (Fri), Sunday movies have all experienced declines as a result of BB taking up certain timeslots which wouldn't have been an issue in the past. In terms of 9pm, I believe BB Fridays slot average are up vs. last year but Sundays have been down.”
“Here's some averages since normal BB began on Channel 5 and the equivalent averages last year:
All Day Shares
2010- 4.7%
2011- 4.5%
Since the week beginning 18th September (first full week of BB), Channel 5 has averaged 4.5% until the latest BARB week. In the equivalent weeks last year, C5 averaged 4.7%. So the channel has experienced a year-on-year decline of -5% in that BB period. This decline is more than the y-o-y drops (-3%) which C5 experienced from January to July this year before BB was introduced on the channel. So basically, since normal BB began, C5 has lost more share y-o-y than their first 7 months of the year pre-BB era.
Primetime Shares
2010- 4.9%
2011- 4.4%
Since Friday 9th September (BB launch) to yesterday, C5's primetime share average has been 4.4%. In the equivalent period last year, their average was 4.9%. So there has been a year-on-year decline of -10% in that BB period, despite them bringing in Big Brother at a reported programming cost of almost £400,000 per hour, significantly higher than what they usually pay for most shows. They surely would've hoped BB would boost their share, not contribute to a -10% primetime share?
10pm Monday-Thursday slot
2010- 1.1m
2011- 1.4m
Since civilian BB started, the 10pm highlights shows have averaged 1.35m. In the equivalent period last year, Channel 5 averaged 1.12m in the 10pm slot. So there has been a rise of +21% vs. last year at 10pm. What needs to be considered though is that a lot of the 10pm programming this time last year were film repeats which must've cost considerably less than an hour of BB. Also although the 10pm slot is up about 20%, as noted previously, the primetime share is down quite sharply - some of this will be due to the effect BB has had in moving other shows around the schedule which have not rated as well as they used to: L&O CI, L&O SVU, Gadget Show (Fri), Sunday movies have all experienced declines as a result of BB taking up certain timeslots which wouldn't have been an issue in the past. In terms of 9pm, I believe BB Fridays slot average are up vs. last year but Sundays have been down.”
Thanks for all that rzt and it pretty much sums up what many of us have been saying all along - even if BB boosts it's own slots, the knock-on effects throughout the schedule are basically not worth it and despite the spin C5 may put on things, they cannot be making money out of Big Brother. Not only was it the wrong time for Big Brother, it was the wrong time for C5 too.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Speaking of reality shows, how has the outdoors answer to BB, Shipwrecked, been doing on Channel 4? I'm surprised they revived it as ratings slumped for the last series.”
“Speaking of reality shows, how has the outdoors answer to BB, Shipwrecked, been doing on Channel 4? I'm surprised they revived it as ratings slumped for the last series.”
Don't know about the T4 outing but it's been sub-400,000 for E4 on Tuesdays. Can't see the new format sustaining interest for 14 weeks either.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Don't know about the T4 outing but it's been sub-400,000 for E4 on Tuesdays. Can't see the new format sustaining interest for 14 weeks either.”
“Don't know about the T4 outing but it's been sub-400,000 for E4 on Tuesdays. Can't see the new format sustaining interest for 14 weeks either.”
Thankyou, I knew the show was a clunker and I'm surprised Channel 4 revived it as the last series was a bit of a flop. It beats me how they ditched Wife Swap and kept Shipwrecked going.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“My guess:
5.50 News
6.00 Doctor Who
7.00 Strictly Come Dancing
8.30 EastEnders
9.30 The Royal Bodyguard
10.00 The One Jasper Carrott
10.50 News
”
“My guess:
5.50 News
6.00 Doctor Who
7.00 Strictly Come Dancing
8.30 EastEnders
9.30 The Royal Bodyguard
10.00 The One Jasper Carrott
10.50 News
”
I'd probably go for:
5.20 News
5.30 EastEnders
6.00 Doctor Who
7.00 Strictly Come Dancing
8.00 EastEnders
8.30 The Royal Bodyguard
9.00 Outnumbered Xmas Special or Miranda
10.00 News, Sport and Weather
So EastEnders could anchor the evening, people will stay on BBC1 for DW and SCD and then the second EE, with a good lead-in into The Royal Bodyguard.
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“I'd probably go for:
5.20 News
5.30 EastEnders
6.00 Doctor Who
7.00 Strictly Come Dancing
8.00 EastEnders
8.30 The Royal Bodyguard
9.00 Outnumbered Xmas Special or Miranda
10.00 News, Sport and Weather
So EastEnders could anchor the evening, people will stay on BBC1 for DW and SCD and then the second EE, with a good lead-in into The Royal Bodyguard.”
“I'd probably go for:
5.20 News
5.30 EastEnders
6.00 Doctor Who
7.00 Strictly Come Dancing
8.00 EastEnders
8.30 The Royal Bodyguard
9.00 Outnumbered Xmas Special or Miranda
10.00 News, Sport and Weather
So EastEnders could anchor the evening, people will stay on BBC1 for DW and SCD and then the second EE, with a good lead-in into The Royal Bodyguard.”
BBC One traditionally dominates Christmas Day, but ITV have managed to put up a good fight in 1978, 1980, 1984, 1987, 1999 and 2000. However, in recent years, after 7pm ITV seem to fade out as the BBC have the big guns ready. Yet the decision to cancel the Royle Family smacks of madness as this at 9 and Miranda at 10 would have totally KOed ITV1.
At least, though, the presence of the two big soaps on Christmas Day means ITV1 can never be wiped out in the same way they were in the past, when a tedious un festive film like Young Winston was completely obliterated by Morecambe and Wise. Yes I am old enough to remember the glorious BBC1 Christmases of the seventies when Eric and Ernie pulled in 27 million viewers.
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“Contrast her audience demos with those of BBC1 last night....she may have won in raw numbers terms, but I bet the advertisers would have killed for the viewers on the main opposition channel.”
“Contrast her audience demos with those of BBC1 last night....she may have won in raw numbers terms, but I bet the advertisers would have killed for the viewers on the main opposition channel.”
even more reason to put her on Christmas night when demos dont matter and its all about gross numbers
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“I think the loss of Europa League is very telling.
It wasn't that expensive and the fact it's been won by ITV4, which we know only has a small budget, indicates that C5 weren't willing to spend much to keep it.”
“I think the loss of Europa League is very telling.
It wasn't that expensive and the fact it's been won by ITV4, which we know only has a small budget, indicates that C5 weren't willing to spend much to keep it.”
Its one of the strangest auction rights sale in recent times. I'd have thought that 5 made money from the Europa League (£350k per game for 2m viewers versus £3m for a Champions league game giving you 6m viewers works out at a much better cost per viewer).
This is the first I've heard that 5 didnt even bid - do we know where that inforrmation comes from?
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Strictly finished slightly early tonight which may see TV Burp get a small lift in the overnights.”
“Strictly finished slightly early tonight which may see TV Burp get a small lift in the overnights.”
It was billed to finish at 19:55.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“It was billed to finish at 19:55.”
“It was billed to finish at 19:55.”
It ended at 19:51 though so it should be tapechecked.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Its one of the strangest auction rights sale in recent times. I'd have thought that 5 made money from the Europa League (£350k per game for 2m viewers versus £3m for a Champions league game giving you 6m viewers works out at a much better cost per viewer).
This is the first I've heard that 5 didnt even bid - do we know where that inforrmation comes from?”
“Its one of the strangest auction rights sale in recent times. I'd have thought that 5 made money from the Europa League (£350k per game for 2m viewers versus £3m for a Champions league game giving you 6m viewers works out at a much better cost per viewer).
This is the first I've heard that 5 didnt even bid - do we know where that inforrmation comes from?”
But surely advertisers of sportswear, cars and betting sites are more likely to queue up to advertise on a Man U vs Barcelona match than Birmingham vs FC Oslo or whatever. This is why the rights for the Europa League are cheaper as it's a second rank tournament and tends to be of little interest to ITV1 or Sky. Also should a final feature two obscure East European teams then ratings are well below a million.
Could it be, though, that Five are saving their strength for a big sports contract? I know they'd love to bag some live cricket.
Originally Posted by Score:
“It ended at 19:51 though so it should be tapechecked.”
“It ended at 19:51 though so it should be tapechecked.”
TV Burp should see a lift, though Merlin isn't easy competition!
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Could it be, though, that Five are saving their strength for a big sports contract?”
“Could it be, though, that Five are saving their strength for a big sports contract?”
Could be, or they might be saving to pay for Mr D's divorce settlement. As N&S is a private company I dont think we will ever know the full story as regards Five's finances.
Originally Posted by Score:
“It ended at 19:51 though so it should be tapechecked.”
“It ended at 19:51 though so it should be tapechecked.”
Hmmm. What happens if The X Factor beats Strictly on full slot averages, but Strictly beats The X Factor tape-checked?
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Hmmm. What happens if The X Factor beats Strictly on full slot averages, but Strictly beats The X Factor tape-checked?”
“Hmmm. What happens if The X Factor beats Strictly on full slot averages, but Strictly beats The X Factor tape-checked?
”
we demand a full recount
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Thanks for all that rzt and it pretty much sums up what many of us have been saying all along - even if BB boosts it's own slots, the knock-on effects throughout the schedule are basically not worth it and despite the spin C5 may put on things, they cannot be making money out of Big Brother. Not only was it the wrong time for Big Brother, it was the wrong time for C5 too.”
“Thanks for all that rzt and it pretty much sums up what many of us have been saying all along - even if BB boosts it's own slots, the knock-on effects throughout the schedule are basically not worth it and despite the spin C5 may put on things, they cannot be making money out of Big Brother. Not only was it the wrong time for Big Brother, it was the wrong time for C5 too.”
Are you feeling better now...
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“TV Burp should see a lift, though Merlin isn't easy competition!”
“TV Burp should see a lift, though Merlin isn't easy competition!”
Worth noting TV Burp will be tape-checked too (19.30-19.55). The highest rated bit would be for 19.55-20.00, as that's when there was no SCD clash at all, but that bit will be taken away from the tape-checked overnights as it finished a few minutes early.
Originally Posted by Only_You:
“I think no Royal Family will freshen up the Christmas Day line up a little .... and it will do the show good to have a break.”
“I think no Royal Family will freshen up the Christmas Day line up a little .... and it will do the show good to have a break.”
Have a break?! Its only on for an hour a year, I dont think its in danger of overkill just yet. In fact, we have only had 4 hours worth in nearly 11 years!
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“I was anticipating your "ITV Studios conspiracy to derail Aunties Christmas" post”
“I was anticipating your "ITV Studios conspiracy to derail Aunties Christmas" post
”
Sky could be blamed too, Craig Cash has been busy working on The Cafe this year, no doubt his paychecks from Sky mean they take preference...
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“As for the BBC - now if only Doctor Who and Strictly can fail to meet the deadlines we might get a somewhat original schedule from BBC1 instead.”
“As for the BBC - now if only Doctor Who and Strictly can fail to meet the deadlines we might get a somewhat original schedule from BBC1 instead.”
How dare they BBC make festive specials of their most popular shows. Its like they are actually giving viewers what they want.
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“How dare they BBC make festive specials of their most popular shows. Its like they are actually giving viewers what they want.”
“How dare they BBC make festive specials of their most popular shows. Its like they are actually giving viewers what they want.
”
BBC One could stick practically anything on Christmas Day and people would watch.
According to Melinda just then, The Health Lottery Draw will now be shown exclusively on Channel 5.
Sales must be bad if they can't even afford an advert slot on ITV anymore
Sales must be bad if they can't even afford an advert slot on ITV anymore
If you're to base it on Twitter trends, The X Factor should be up on previous weeks. To be honest, I think the majority of shows should be up on last week due to the clock changes. It's at this point in previous years where the show has made big gains week-on-week, so I think they will be hoping to comfortably be clearing 10 million, near 11 million maybe.
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