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It'll be interesting what Channel 5 have in store for Christmas, last year's dip into the archives, films and countdown shows were relatively successful so I imagine they'll do the same this year. Film wise, I think it wouldn't harm them to show Monsters Inc or A Bug's Life again but I imagine any potential high rating film will be saved for January-March.
I wouldn't mind seeing some classic episodes of Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em again, as long as they're not the same ones as last time. I know they're on GOLD quite a lot, but not all of us get that channel. |
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We might get some indication on Wednesday when they release their 14 day programme booklet covering the whole of the festive period. Mind you, last year they kept their cards close to their chest and mentioned nothing about the archive programming lined up until the final schedules came out.
I wouldn't mind seeing some classic episodes of Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em again, as long as they're not the same ones as last time. I know they're on GOLD quite a lot, but not all of us get that channel. After Big Brother prevent from showing any premiere before 9pm, they're coming thick and thin with Step Brothers, 21 and Pineapple Express. Wonder if they're showing Gran Torino as part of their Clint Eastwood season or just the oldies? |
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TOTP2 was fairly successful so it may get another airing. Haven't they shown Morecambe and Wise in the past? Be good for them to show that as well as The Two Ronnies Christmas special.
After Big Brother prevent from showing any premiere before 9pm, they're coming thick and thin with Step Brothers, 21 and Pineapple Express. Wonder if they're showing Gran Torino as part of their Clint Eastwood season or just the oldies? If The X Factor remains at 7:30-9:30pm in the final schedule for 11th December, Step Brothers could do really well at 9:30pm. Not sure what ITV plan to fill that following hour or so with though. |
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As regards the lowest ever 9pm terrestial rating, I guess that honour could belong to either the very early days of Five or Ch 4. I can find a rating of 0.2m on Boxing Day 1986 for a foreign language film "L'Heure Espagnole" on Ch4 at 9pm. Perhaps Five hold the title for a programme in the english language though.
EDIT: Actually L'Herure Espagnole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'heure_espagnole is an opera in french, so its got both opera and language going against it. |
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Not sure. I thought Gran Torino would be ITV. Great movie well worth watching wherever it pops up.
If The X Factor remains at 7:30-9:30pm in the final schedule for 11th December, Step Brothers could do really well at 9:30pm. Not sure what ITV plan to fill that following hour or so with though. |
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Guidance for tomorrow, re Children in Need/IAC: Quote:
Thursday 19th November 2009
BBC One 19:30 - EastEnders: 8.73m (38.3%) 20:00 - Children In Need Rocks The Royal Albert Hall: 6.09m (24.5%) * peak: 6.4m (25.6%) ITV1 19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.63m (30.5%) 19:30 - River Monsters: 3.6m (16%) 20:00 - Emmerdale: 7m (29.2%) 20:30 - Coronation Street: 8.86m (35.2%) 21:00 - I'm A Celebrity… Get Me Out Of Here!: 8.1m (32.4%) * peak: 8.3m (33.2%) @ 21:45 to 22:00 |
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Guidance for tomorrow, re Children in Need/IAC:
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It's a bloody awful rating, but absolutely meaningless as far as Big Brother as a brand is concerned. It's quite clear the extraordinary circumstances of the 9pm slot last night took their toll on what was essentially an unadvertised series review programme for the fans.
The last time C4 did a follow up to BB was in 2008 for BB9 and that got 1.9m in the overnights (Fri 10pm), after the final got 3.9m (Part 1) and 4.7m (Part 2) a week earlier, then a record low for a final. |
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As you've pointed out in recent weeks the real concern is the ratings for Paul Merton - and the negative knock on effect Big Brother has had on the ratings and scheduling of shows around it.
The last time C4 did a follow up to BB was in 2008 for BB9 and that got 1.9m in the overnights (Fri 10pm), after the final got 3.9m (Part 1) and 4.7m (Part 2) a week earlier, then a record low for a final. |
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The last time C4 did a follow up to BB was in 2008 for BB9 and that got 1.9m in the overnights (Fri 10pm)
Your other point about BB bringing stuff around it down is baseless. There's been confusion over start times that's all as Paul Merton's switch to 10pm was a last minute thing in response to the numbers. The only shows which were clearly affected in a negative way were the Law & Order spinoffs, which for obvious reasons don't share many viewers with BB and were displaced from their regular slots. |
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Sadly I agree, Big Brother isn't exactly an effective lead in with maybe the exception of The Bachelor and when it was Channel 4, comedies.
But the 16-34s are a difficult bunch to keep around. It's easier for Ch 4 as they have a very good rep among this demo anyway, often the default channel for many in that age group. BB for C5 is about getting them 'through the door' first then taking it from there. Rome wasn't built in a day! |
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Frozen Planet 5.77m
I'm a Celebrity 8.21m Quote:
This series of I'm A Celebrity is a beast!
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Haemorrhaging viewers each day though.
for 2011 the average is 9.76m Last night the audience share was 32.2% which is pretty low for the show, I wonder how it will stand up against CIN Rocks Manchester - it needs 8.6m tonight to maintain the 2010 average. Of course it will be well down on Friday (6.04m in 2010). |
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But the 16-34s are a difficult bunch to keep around. It's easier for Ch 4 as they have a very good rep among this demo anyway, often the default channel for many in that age group. BB for C5 is about getting them 'through the door' first then taking it from there. Rome wasn't built in a day!
9pm Celebrity Big Brother 10pm Up All Night/US comedy 10.30pm Celebrity Big Brother interview 11pm Bit on the Side That would allow the show to exposed to a lot of viewers, the other idea is: 9pm Celebrity Big Brother 10.30pm Up All Night/US comedy. 11pm Bit of the Side |
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And? Totally different circumstances.
Your other point about BB bringing stuff around it down is baseless. There's been confusion over start times that's all as Paul Merton's switch to 10pm was a last minute thing in response to the numbers. The only shows which were clearly affected in a negative way were the Law & Order spinoffs, which for obvious reasons don't share many viewers with BB and were displaced from their regular slots. And the stats rzt posted (added below) showed the point about BB bringing other stuff down is far from "baseless". What was it - a 10% loss in primetime or something like that. You even say yourself that shows "displaced" from regular slots suffered - and it goes beyond the Law and Order franchise. Ironically though I do think should C5 axe BB next year they are in a far better position to move on without it than C4 were (and indeed still are) - but they are in danger of being (unfairly?) tarnished with the Big Brother brush should they persist in continuing with an ailing brand. Quote:
Here's some averages since normal BB began on Channel 5 and the equivalent averages last year:
All Day Shares 2010- 4.7% 2011- 4.5% Since the week beginning 18th September (first full week of BB), Channel 5 has averaged 4.5% until the latest BARB week. In the equivalent weeks last year, C5 averaged 4.7%. So the channel has experienced a year-on-year decline of -5% in that BB period. This decline is more than the y-o-y drops (-3%) which C5 experienced from January to July this year before BB was introduced on the channel. So basically, since normal BB began, C5 has lost more share y-o-y than their first 7 months of the year pre-BB era. Primetime Shares 2010- 4.9% 2011- 4.4% Since Friday 9th September (BB launch) to yesterday, C5's primetime share average has been 4.4%. In the equivalent period last year, their average was 4.9%. So there has been a year-on-year decline of -10% in that BB period, despite them bringing in Big Brother at a reported programming cost of almost £400,000 per hour, significantly higher than what they usually pay for most shows. They surely would've hoped BB would boost their share, not contribute to a -10% primetime share? 10pm Monday-Thursday slot 2010- 1.1m 2011- 1.4m Since civilian BB started, the 10pm highlights shows have averaged 1.35m. In the equivalent period last year, Channel 5 averaged 1.12m in the 10pm slot. So there has been a rise of +21% vs. last year at 10pm. What needs to be considered though is that a lot of the 10pm programming this time last year were film repeats which must've cost considerably less than an hour of BB. Also although the 10pm slot is up about 20%, as noted previously, the primetime share is down quite sharply - some of this will be due to the effect BB has had in moving other shows around the schedule which have not rated as well as they used to: L&O CI, L&O SVU, Gadget Show (Fri), Sunday movies have all experienced declines as a result of BB taking up certain timeslots which wouldn't have been an issue in the past. In terms of 9pm, I believe BB Fridays slot average are up vs. last year but Sundays have been down. |
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As a Commercial Director you'll create and execute a five year plan for the Doctor Who brand and manage the overall brand P&L.
Suggests BBC are committed until Doctor Who until 2017.
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Sorry Dancc - thought you'd passed the denial stage. I posted those ratings to back up your point about the follow up show being more of an afterthought than essential BB viewing (though ironically that's the sort of figure the next BB got on C4 - so hope that's not an omen for C5!)
And the stats rzt posted (added below) showed the point about BB bringing other stuff down is far from "baseless". What was it - a 10% loss in primetime or something like that. You even say yourself that shows "displaced" from regular slots suffered - and it goes beyond the Law and Order franchise. Ironically though I do think should C5 axe BB next year they are in a far better position to move on without it than C4 were (and indeed still are) - but they are in danger of being (unfairly?) tarnished with the Big Brother brush should they persist in continuing with an ailing brand.
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IAC will struggle tonight actually. It has strong competition from CIN tonight. I'll be surprised if it cracks 8.5 million.
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Channel 5 had a dire night, there's no doubt about it, but it's not about to collapse because of it. Big Brother's impact wasn't brilliant because outside The Bachelor they didn't really use the lead in/out effectively, but that's because the first series was all about establishing Big Brother itself. 2012 will be the crunch year. Personally I think they made a mistake not airing Big Brother on Tuesday night at 9pm with CSI moving to the Wednesday slot; I think Big Brother would've got 1m+ while CSI would've held up better opposite I'm A Celebrity...
I'm A Celebrity... itself recorded another strong figure though it was obviously effected by Frozen Planet. I think it'll see a slight boost tonight but will dip again tomorrow opposite Children In Need. Emmerdale performed well in the 7pm slot, and You've Been Framed can bring in a 4m figure on a Wednesday; coudl it do the same against EastEnders on a Tuesday night? The 8.30pm slot is becoming a difficult one to fill for BBC One. It may be worth moving Waterloo Road back to 8pm just so they're on the same junctions as other channels instead of working off the half hour. Waterloo Road did ok despite the Emmerdale clash, but it's lower than it has been in general. Frozen Planet was severely dented by ITV1 but should rebound in the officials. Grand Designs struggled with the heightened opposition on Channel 4 though at least Fresh Meat stayed above the 1m mark. The Simpsons is a very consistent performer in the 6pm slot and Hollyoaks has found a new lease of life; it hasn't lost momentum after the conclusion of the Silas storyline at the moment. Eggheads and Strictly Come Dancing do very well in the 6pm hour for BBC Two, and Pan Am started well too. MasterChef is proving how inept BBC One's scheduling has been of show. |
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IAC will struggle tonight actually. It has strong competition from CIN tonight. I'll be surprised if it cracks 8.5 million.
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a concert hosted by a star of a failing reality tv show? surely not!
![]() My Facebook has been buzzing with CIN status'. I think CIN could record a respectable 6 million + with IAC being around the 8 million mark. Ant and Dec will be 'announcing' a twist in tomorrows show which is most probably a ply by producers to get some people watching. |
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Children in Need Rocks was terrible tonight - total bore-fest. I don't think the second hour will rate too highly.
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As you've pointed out in recent weeks the real concern is the ratings for Paul Merton - and the negative knock on effect Big Brother has had on the ratings and scheduling of shows around it.
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a concert hosted by a star of a failing reality tv show? surely not!
![]() Only with more musical content... |
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yeah can see something similar this year with maybe Celebrity a couple of 100k higher and pulling in a reasonable +1 viewing too.
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Sorry Dancc - thought you'd passed the denial stage. I posted those ratings to back up your point about the follow up show being more of an afterthought than essential BB viewing (though ironically that's the sort of figure the next BB got on C4 - so hope that's not an omen for C5!)
And the stats rzt posted (added below) showed the point about BB bringing other stuff down is far from "baseless". What was it - a 10% loss in primetime or something like that. It also doesn't tell the whole story as it doesn't take into account Celebrity Big Brother, where Channel 5 recorded what is surely an historic 11 consecutive wins over Channel 4 in prime and 15 over the course of the series. Across the 22 nights it was broadcast, they averaged a 6.5% primetime share, 34% up on the 4.8% recorded across the equivalent period the previous year. And that was with the likes of CSI: Miami not rating as well as it used to, which also by the way has bugger all to do with BB. Oh, and less of this "hope that's not an omen for C5" stuff please as if you really give a toss. Nobody's buying it. You even went as far as to interject in a really positive thread on BB Spy earlier in which people (fans) were saying how much they enjoyed the Winner's Story last night to spread your doom and gloom by sharing your amusement at last night's ratings. How desperately tragic. Can I recommend the game Wordfeud if you're that short of things to do with your time, it's really rather good. And much better for your temperament than any length of time here... (don't I know it.) Now where'd I leave my tablet?
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