I wouldn't be surprised if some of them do try to book pilots. Of course, if Pan Am does get renewed, they'll have to return.

How about Matt Baker and Alex Jones?

I reckon it'll go like this:

If Missing or The River fails, expect a swift Cougar Town/Apt 23 double to pop up.

Scandal will take over Body of Proof after it finishes (Scandal is only 8 episodes).

Otherwise, I knew ABC were going to try something else after Desperate Housewives. Pan Am is all but cancelled, no doubt about it.

no way Matt would make that mistake, and Alex would have to be pretty thick to make it, and repeat history by firing her agent, who would not allow her to.



I dont really like "indecision" as you may have noticed.

I will put my name forward for Daybreak.

oh for the love of Christ, and all things holly


what the hell are Sony arguing about? seriously if ABC want to pay you to make another episode of a show, you take the money and make it.

For god sakes, ABC should just make a proper grown up decision, not leave Sony and the fine actors involved in this project hanging, until the last moment.

MAKE THE DECISION

Full Daybreak article http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?a=m4:23572462

Media Guardian article re advertising rates for the X Factor Final.

Contains ratings information including how much XF is down vs 2010 for various demographics.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...seek-discounts

this is interesting



is there a climate where that is acceptable?

As for X-Factor, that should certainly force ITV and Syco TV to sit up and take notice.

It's a quote a journalist has made up in their head which is pretty common sense - execs don't like smaller ratings.

As for X Factor - I think its doing fine. I think we all knew its ratings climb was totally unsustainable - I thought it had peaked many years ago, its a miracle it kept rising as much as it did.

There was no way that show could sustain those levels - peaking at 17m was just crazy.

Link: http://www.deadline.com/2011/11/coug...-march-launch/

ABC released their midseason schedule and Cougar Town was missing from the list. Now, Deadline is saying Cougar Town episode orders for their third season is cut from 22 to 15. CT will make its return possibly in March and could be after Last Man Standing on Tuesday 8.30pm, after Work It finishes their run (pretty much, if Work It flops).

I thought the Daybreak news might actually be true this time, but there is plenty in the article to make me question if its true or not.

To be fair to ITV, the key demos seem to be holding up better than the audience as a whole.

Versus 2010:

From this thread
Total viewers: -20% approx

Guardian article
16-34: -8% (Sat), -14% (Sun)
Other 'key demos': -7% (Sat), -12% (Sun)

This will mitigate the financial impact of the fall in ratings.

They're being axed before Xmas, but the re-launch isn't till April, strangely.

I'd take those exact figures from the Guardian with a grain of salt as they don't point out if they are referring to all Saturday shows including auditions/Bootcamp or just the live episodes when talking about the 16-34 fall.
If you remember back to the audition shows, they were either level or ahead of 2010 including +1.

Your best bet for accurate stats is RZT.

I suspect they Advertisers will get around a 12% cut instead of the 20% one they're looking for.

Work It looks awful, like, seriously bad. Disappointed Cougar Town has been cut; not looking good for its future.

Wonder what they'll do with Apartment 23.

Well C4 comedies may be on Friday but they haven't been too successful (im being very kind aswell)!


Its only since the live shows that that X Factor has fallen so the overall decline for the series is a lot less than 20%.

I think it will get a try out after Modern Family at some point, like Happy Endings did last year.

If The Bachelor isn't on the schedule (Monday 8-10pm), would ABC put dramas there or sitcoms? I don't know if ABC sitcoms on Monday can perform well against CBS Monday sitcoms. The Bachelor gets good ratings, but nowhere near juggernaut numbers. So, it is replaceable.

Well, quite an evening of talking points on the Ratings Thread tonight.

Firstly, quite a coup for the Beeb to land Willoughbooby for their TXF rip off. Perhaps the start of a fruitful new relationship for the pair?

(HW and the BBC, I mean... )

I don't think it will transform The Voice into a surefire winner, but the evidence so far does suggest the Beeb are doing everything to make this a success.

It does have implications for DOI. HW was surely a good enough reason (or two...) for blokes to tune in to it. With Bleakley on board, it might be an excuse to not sit through it even the missus wants to watch. I can see the ratings for DOI suffering with Bleakley on board. It's not as if she has a good record since quitting the BBC.

Talking of which....


Poor quality reporting. It says they've been axed "over ratings flop".

Surely it should be flops - they've had several each since quitting the BBC in a blaze of, er, glory.

In fairness to them, it's the show that was the clunker not them. I would put money on "GMTV" coming back in January, pretty much as it was.


Not unexpected. The advertisers would be mugs if they paid the over-the-odds, inflated rates ITV is trying to foist on them. TXF has lost 20% of its audience - so a 15% reduction in ad rates seems more than fair.

As for CIN, didn't see very much of it at all. I do wonder if the Beeb will come to regret the One Show/main show split. I suspect many folk will have thought "CIN tonight" and tuned in at 7pm - only to find TOS, and switched to the ITV soapathon instead. Losing that first half an hour, presumably on costs saving grounds???, may turn out a mistake if it damaged BBC1 for the night. It also meant CIN went head to head with the start of Corrie.

Although the balance of the CIN/soap clash is smaller this year (1 hour of a 2.5 hr show as opposed to 1.5 hrs of a 3 hr one), I still think the ratings will be down on last year. Also, if people are feeling downbeat about the economy, I wonder if a charity beg-athon is what they want to tune in for.

I read it as meaning those were the demo comparisons for recent weeks, but looking again it's not clear at all. Yes it would be interesting if RZT could tell us if there is a disproportionate drop-off, or retention, of the key demos.

Talking of charity beg-athons, I see "Text Santa Launch" gets ITV's best lead-in of the year.

Would be a shame if that ends up in the Top 20 shows of the year (or higher!) - and particularly if the Christmas Eve show proper is a 24 carat ratings turd.

I note the BBC's Supine Sunday, again, for pt 2 of the TXF Final.

I can see that if ITV was adamant they were airing TXF at 7.30 come what may, that the Beeb would shift SCD to 7 so as not to disturb its "mo" before its final the week after. But that doesn't excuse a presumed repeat of AR and the Gently repeat (will they show the same ep as 12 months ago again?)

I do hope this is a "Downton deal" with ITV - "give TXF a clear run, and we won't pitch DA up on Christmas Day".

Slightly disappointed at the announcement of Holly as The voice host. Think they should have gone for someone like Fearne or Amanda Byram, but Holly in fairness is likable and funny, love her on Celebrity Juice, though Fearne is better IMO.

Think Christne Bleakely will be fine on DOI, haven't watched it since the second series but as far as I remember, Holly had a very tiny role, correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't like Tess Dalys role on SCD.

The Bachelor does decently, think its serve its purpose as filler for DWTS between seasons. Unlike DWTS I think it's too long at two hours, I think a lot of the reality shows that aren't live or have auditions are too long, Survivor and The Amazing Race have it right at one one hour episode a week.

I'm surprised The Celebrity Apprentice have never been done here as a series rather than specials, it would rate a lot better compared to Young Apprentice.

I had to read that twice
But seriously, you're right, she played a very poor second fiddle to the Badger.

I think it made sense to have a TOS special, what with Matt on his bike and everything. I thought it worked well as a preview building up to the main event, and being hosted outside TV Centre gave it a different feel.

The ratings across the evening should be interesting, A record-breaking £26.3m of donations on the night doesn't suggest any compassion fatigue despite the gloomy economic climate. I seem to remember the telethons of the recession-wracked early-1990s did surprisingly well. Perhaps when more people know others who are down on their luck, they feel more generous?