Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Fair enough. I'll say straight away that I'm no dance expert, just an enthusiastic follower of Strictly.
But didn't Artem and Aliona both have blank canvases with Holly and Harry ? If anything. Holly had (slightly) more experience, a pop singer/actress should adapt easier to the disciplines of dance, as opposed to a drummer in a group ?
I know that's a wild generalisation.but I bet it's what many people thought. So. I think there's a lot of credit due to Aliona..Harry has turned out to be very good, but it's no accident of nature, as far as I know he wasn't a "born dancer"..he's been taught.”
I don't agree that because Holly gyrated and posed for pop video clips should be considered to have dancing experience. Harry did the paso, but also as a drummer he's got an advantage because drumming requires great body co-ordination.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Personally, I'd like to see whoever the celebrity in question is, to do a routine full of content - whether it's Harry, Holly or Edwina. Isn't that what they used to do in the early days of Strictly before faffing became fashionable?”
To be honest Sid, I'd rather watch a lot of faffing about on a Saturday night, over badly executed full of content routines. Ideally, I would have liked to watch good quality full of content routines, but could only happen if the contestants were allowed to take ballroom lessons prior to the show. In the timeframe they are given, i don't believe they can produce a routine that is enjoyable to watch AND full of content. Well, at least that's the case with most of the contestants.
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“I get that people don't like her choreography choices and I'm not saying no one is allowed to dislike them; in this thread I'm more concerned with people bringing up the old statements about her making the routines more about her than her partner and not being a good teacher, but not backing it up with anything.”
Ok, I'll try a bit of backing up for you. The main been about her choreography is the lack of content. For example, her tango with Harry had 18% tango, and 82% faffing. That is 17 secs of tango in a 94 sec routine. That's just not enough tango for a tango routine, especially when the faffing is not particularly clever or spectacular. I can't "prove" that last bit to you, because it's personal taste.
Regarding the routines being more about her than about her partner. Various reasons for that. Firstly, her choreography is more about materialising and showcasing her ideas and inspirations and less about what suits her partner. An example of that is her American Smooth with the contemporary twist she did with Matt. Lots of what one might consider "innovative" ideas, but the whole style and feel of the dance just didn't suite Matt, and she should have picked up on that and adjust her choreography rather than impose it on him.
Secondly, she is using SCD to challenge herself, and that's a bit selfish, and not particularly fair to her partner. An example of that is her showdance with Matt. She tried to do a commercial/street dance routine, and she is just not good enough in these genres. Her dancing was awful, as so was the choreography.
Finally, the decorations she add in her dances are usually about her, and dancing around her partner, although to be fair other pros do that as well, but combined with the above, it's just more prominent from Aliona.
About her being a bad teacher, well, I am not qualified to judge anybody's teaching techniques, but logic detects that if you reduce the training time spent on perfecting the faffing and the theatrical elements of the routine and increase the time spent on practicing technical elements, the your student's dancing should improve. Since we don't have knowledge of the training, it is not possible to form an opinion.