Yeah I dont get the stereotype either, I don't know any black women who fit the stereotype she speaks of.

The black woman I was in with for a long time was more jokey, passive and self depreciating than and strong and aloof. Her family were no differen to a typical middle class white family. Probably because they were a middle class black family.

People of Other coloured, mixed race, Asia or whatever other race who I know are all very different.

I don't know any who fit the stereotype safiah is accusing people of buying into, outside of bad movies anyway.

I said that these comments are refering to certain stereoytypes of a black woman and don't have any substance

They were very biting, cutting comments which if you go through the forum you will still see.

I didn't have any opinion on Kitty before this week because she wasn't even on my radar.

There is a Mirror article in which Derry is directly quoted as saying she called him an "evil black b*****d."

Kitty has said they did have an argument, but that she didn't use racist language.

The Sun and the Mail reported that an insider told them Kitty had apologised for making a racial slur to Derry, by way of letter. Kitty states that this is completely false.

Other reports claim that members of the Risk and Frankie have supported Derry's accusation and that members of Little Mix have supported Kitty's description of the situation.

These are the facts as they stand right now.

Trust me it's there!!

There are negative connotations which some have brought into!

Yep

I'm so old I remember going to watch Desmond Dekker over a pub in Wood Green. Some good classic reggae out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDVUQon5BE

I don't know where to begin to say how wrong you are in your generalistic assumptions.


I couldn't have put it better or agree more.


Nothing is as distressing as knowing you have been abused while the abuser is given the benefit of the doubt.

I've seen your posts regarding the criticisms of Misha and you always imply that their opinions on her character have to be down to stereotyping .. you never seem to realise that some people can form those opinions from other factors other than stereotyping

I think that some of Misha's manerisms and facia expressionsl can make her look aloof

I think that some of Janet's manerisms and facial expressions can make her look boring and miserable

I think that some of Kitty's manerisms and facial expressions can make her look like she's on another planet

I think that some of Frankie's manerisms and facial expressions can make look like a complete cocky so and so


but they're just my opinions of how they come across to me based on what I see, none of my opinions have anything to do with colour or stereotypes and none of my opinions may be correct as I don't know them but that doesn't mean I can't have those opinions

Well I consider the stereotype to be the thing of bad Eddie Murphy movies if you get me.

I don't know of any black people who are like that. I also want particularly aware of the stereotype outside of bad comedy characters in movies.

And i don't see Misha like that.

If you care so much about modern race issues, see itv now. Not exactly the same issue as itv's show but here is an issue worth fighting...

There is something that needs to change, my parents fostered an ethnic child for 6 years and wanted to adopt, they couldn't as it wasn't right which broke him when he was adopted to a family of his race.

That's the kind of barriers that need to be tackled not rubbish on a crap tv show.

Maybe I am, I associate crime with hard people. I could be wrong though.

It's as if she wants to fail

Quite.

And if Kitty is innocent of all this?

You see, we can't just assume Kitty is guilty because someone has accused her. People get wrongly accused of things all the time.

Kitty may be guilty and Derry may be distressed by the fact that people are giving Kitty the benefit of the doubt. But similarly, Derry may be lying and Kitty may be distressed by the fact that Derry is being assumed to be telling the truth.

Seeing as none of us have any evidence, it is wrong to assume we can make sweeping judgements about people's character. It's downright unacceptable to continually drag their name through the mud, claiming a proven guilt when no evidence is to hand.

And its damned hypocritical of people who were offended by the summary judgment and character assassination of Misha to then go and do exactly the same to Kitty - seemingly only on the basis of "sticking one to the Misha-bashers."

It's like a bloody Salem witch trial. I thought we were supposed to have moved beyond that.

Innocent until proven guilty....unless I don't feel like it. It's all so wrong.

I hope it isnt true as I really liked Kitty aswell, but I will wait until Saturday as I am sure they will address it.

Edit: Meant to say thanks for replying aswell. :

Kitty was supposed to be addressing it on TV3 earliar. Did anybody catch what she said?

Wow, my heads spinning reading all of that!!!

See my problem with the whole thing is that we don't know what happened - and it's hard to see how we are ever going to!

Kitty has directly been accused by Derry - we have seen comments come from him directly. Kitty has strongly denied the accusation, although I think I am correct in saying that she has agreed they had a tiff, but has said that she was pooped and that she doesn't really remember what was said, but she's darned sure it wasn't anything racist.

So it all comes down to who you think is telling the truth...and the only thing I can think is 'would X Factor really let Derry do that interview and give those direct quotes if it hadn't happened?' It's an unanswerable question, I know, but one that I can't stop asking myself! I'm not professing to have the answer, I'm just saying that the more I hear about this, the more I ask that question!

I really really do think the X Factor producers need to be taken to task over this. If this allegation is untrue then they are allowing a contestant to have her name dragged through the mud when they could stop it all by issuing a joint statement from both Kitty and Derry saying they had a bit of a tiff but nothing racist was said. If the allegation is true, then Kitty should have been told to leave the show.

They have allowed the situation to descend into a farcical pantomime!! Seeking headlines is one thing, but this has gone way beyond that now. Come on Simco...step up and sort it out one way or the other!!!