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Your opinions on voting please? (Whether you vote or not)
sapphireoceans
03-11-2011
I've thought about this a lot and am wondering if you all would prefer the voting system to be the opposite to what it is now.

Basically, instead of voting to keep your favourite act in, it would mean voting for the person you want to leave the competition..

I know it'll never happen because I sincerely doubt it would generate anywhere near the money it's generating with the current system, but I would so much prefer it this way.

They could either just immediately eject the person with the most votes and not have to bother with the whole procedure of the judges making the final decision and in doing this, they'd actually REALLY be letting the public decide who goes home. Or they could still employ the same set-up they have now with the two receiving the highest votes doing the sing-off etc..

What do you think? Would people who don't currently vote start to vote if you were voting OFF the people you didn't like? Do you prefer it the way it is now?

Would you be more inclined to vote OFF your least favourite than you would to keep your favourite IN?
anactoria
03-11-2011
That's a terrible idea; people would just vote off the divisive acts, or they'd vote off the ones perceived as competition for their favourites. We'd end up with the blandest/dullest final ever, viewing figures would go WAY down, and the winner would be even more likely to flop than usual.
devlinacious
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“That's a terrible idea; people would just vote off the divisive acts, or they'd vote off the ones perceived as competition for their favourites. We'd end up with the blandest/dullest final ever, viewing figures would go WAY down, and the winner would be even more likely to flop than usual.”

This says it all.

P.S. On this system Justin Bieber would be the first to go.
OnlyWayIsEpics
03-11-2011
No, I posted a thread before about how I'd like to see it changed and I think it should include iTunes downloads as that would reflect the real world a lot better than phone voting which is nothing a but a personality driven popularity contest.
Patti-Ann
03-11-2011
I think it would be awful for the contestants knowing people were deliberately voting them off - who wants to know they are disliked

When they are bottom two now, at least they know they got some votes (ie support). Unfortunately for them the other acts just happen to get more
George7
03-11-2011
I don't vote at the moment, but I would vote to eliminate the act who I thought was the worst.

...they could return to voting for your favourite for the final though...
anactoria
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by George7:
“I don't vote at the moment, but I would vote to eliminate the act who I thought was the worst.

...they could return to voting for your favourite for the final though...”

Voting for your favourite between Sami, Craig, and Nu Vibe? What a blast of a final that would be.
George7
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Voting for your favourite between Sami, Craig, and Nu Vibe? What a blast of a final that would be.”

Be realistic, those three - or at least two of them - would be out well before the final with the 'vote the worst out' system.
Black Dagger
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by George7:
“Be realistic, those three - or at least two of them - would be out well before the final with the 'vote the worst out' system.”

But it wouldn't be vote the worst out, it'd be 'marmite characters' and hated acts that would be out, with this rule...

Kitty, Janet, Misha and Frankie would have gone already.
George7
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by Black Dagger:
“But it wouldn't be vote the worst out, it'd be 'marmite characters' and hated acts that would be out, with this rule...

Kitty, Janet, Misha and Frankie would have gone already.”

If people don't like a particular act for any reason, then why not vote that act out first? You'd then end up with the most popular acts in the last few shows.

How many times have you seen a decent act eliminated to leave someone in who most people don't rate?

Voting out the least popular act focuses things to ensure that there's more happy money-paying voters still interested as the final draws near.

All that said, I'm not that fussed anyway as I doubt we'll watch it next year - if it's on. I only watch it because of the Mrs and she's getting tired of it...
The Purple Guy
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by OnlyWayIsEpics:
“No, I posted a thread before about how I'd like to see it changed and I think it should include iTunes downloads as that would reflect the real world a lot better than phone voting which is nothing a but a personality driven popularity contest.”

That's actually not a horrible idea. Plus it would stop people from multi-voting as you can only download each song once.

As I said in an identical thread yesterday, I don't think it would be acceptable in any circumstances for a talent show to include voting for the least talented.
think red
03-11-2011
I usually vote on the final but never before.
anactoria
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by George7:
“If people don't like a particular act for any reason, then why not vote that act out first? You'd then end up with the most popular acts in the last few shows.

How many times have you seen a decent act eliminated to leave someone in who most people don't rate?

Voting out the least popular act focuses things to ensure that there's more happy money-paying voters still interested as the final draws near.

All that said, I'm not that fussed anyway as I doubt we'll watch it next year - if it's on. I only watch it because of the Mrs and she's getting tired of it...”

No, you wouldn't. You'd end up with the least disliked, which does not by any means mean 'the most popular'. Non-controversial acts, & acts that slip under the radar, would do very well with a 'vote to eliminate' voting system. For example, the act with the most fans (ie. the most popular) is probably Janet; however, she also has a lot of people who aren't fans of her singing style. She'd end up going out early because of this, because she's a divisive figure, even though she'd also probably sell more albums than somebody non-divisive whom nobody cares much about (like Craig).

I honestly don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.
Motorbiking
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by George7:
“I don't vote at the moment, but I would vote to eliminate the act who I thought was the worst.

...they could return to voting for your favourite for the final though...”

So you'd end up with a final not between the two most popular contestants but between the two least unpopular, Woohoo! That would solve the problem of subsequent lack of sales, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by devlinacious:
“This says it all.

P.S. On this system Justin Bieber would be the first to go.”

You say that like it's a bad thing!

Originally Posted by Black Dagger:
“But it wouldn't be vote the worst out, it'd be 'marmite characters' and hated acts that would be out, with this rule...

Kitty, Janet, Misha and Frankie would have gone already.”

You say that like it's a bad thing!
Motorbiking
03-11-2011
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cooperone
03-11-2011
Plus they could'nt get an hours worth of X factor on a sunday night, and the judges would not have alot of input as regards who to send home. Having said that role on top 5 I think, thats when the sing off stops
Black Dagger
03-11-2011
Originally Posted by Motorbiking:
“So you'd end up with a final not between the two most popular contestants but between the two least unpopular, Woohoo! That would solve the problem of subsequent lack of sales, wouldn't it?



You say that like it's a bad thing!



You say that like it's a bad thing! ”

Kitty and Janet can both sing though and draw in viewers and garner discussions.
sapphireoceans
04-11-2011
Originally Posted by OnlyWayIsEpics:
“No, I posted a thread before about how I'd like to see it changed and I think it should include iTunes downloads as that would reflect the real world a lot better than phone voting which is nothing a but a personality driven popularity contest.”

Sorry, I didn't find your original post regarding this when I searched. My bad.

I think iTunes downloads should also be considered somehow in the situation too. I mean, realistically, I'd much rather just buy my favourite performance from there than put another quid in Mr Cowell's pocket.. I also believe that they've not really done themselves any favours with the iTunes downloads as I think many more people would share our preference to do that rather than vote..
Sheechiibii
04-11-2011
Definitely not a good idea. The winner would end up being mediocre while the favourate act would be voted off. Put it this way - the winner should be the one who most people like, not who most people don't hate.
Xx..xX
sapphireoceans
04-11-2011
Originally Posted by Sheechiibii:
“Definitely not a good idea. The winner would end up being mediocre while the favourate act would be voted off. Put it this way - the winner should be the one who most people like, not who most people don't hate.
Xx..xX”

The winner usually ends up being mediocre anyway.

I do agree on some level that the winner should be the one who most people like rather than who most people don't hate. However, as someone else already mentioned, they could always switch the voting back around for the final, and have people vote for their winner..

I've really enjoyed reading all these responses. I was interested to know people's thoughts
Scottish_Iain
04-11-2011
I think the vote to eliminate wouldn't work. You see on Big Brother the most interesting people voted off first because there is more people who dislike them, than like them. I do like the idea of counting itunes downloads, but maybe have it weighted, so a download counts as 2 votes, but costs 3 times as much as a straight vote.

In the results show the votes should be anounced at the start of the show and then the sing off. They should then wipe the slate clean and open the phone lines for half an hour to allow the public to choose. This would eliminate the manipulation and make the show more interesting (and make ITV more money).
ciaociao
04-11-2011
No, this DOES NOT WORK. It happened on Big Brother, look where that show ended up. What happens, without fail, is voting to evict gets rid of interesting characters. The only people who get to the final are the ones who a) have the producers backing them with good edits or b) boring people who flew so far under the radar that no one noticed them enough to vote them off.

Originally Posted by George7:
“If people don't like a particular act for any reason, then why not vote that act out first? You'd then end up with the most popular acts in the last few shows.”

No no no no no no! This IS NOT a method that keeps the most popular characters! Popularity comes hand in hand with criticism!

If a vote to save happens, then the most popular act (the act with the most votes to save) will be put through. This will happen even if that person also has the same amount (or more) people wishing they would leave. These are the "marmite" acts, the interesting acts, the big personalities that make the show entertaining. Thus, you keep both the most popular acts, and the divisive acts. You lose the boring characters who no one thought to vote for.

A vote to evict means that anyone who stands out will leave the competition. Even extremely popular characters will go, because any act that is noticeable will have people who dislike it, and there will be more people disliking a popular, loud character than a bland one no one notices. Thus, the only people who escape a vote to evict are the people that don't stick in the viewer's memory because they're completely bland. It's a disaster. If you want some degree of entertainment and talent left in the competition, vote to save is the only way.

A vote to evict/get rid of an act would have already seen Kitty, Misha, Johnny and Janet gone, and without a variety of acts and characters what is the point in calling it the "X Factor" at all?
mark e a
04-11-2011
Originally Posted by OnlyWayIsEpics:
“No, I posted a thread before about how I'd like to see it changed and I think it should include iTunes downloads as that would reflect the real world a lot better than phone voting which is nothing a but a personality driven popularity contest.”

I like this idea. Maybe combined with phone votes tho.
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