[r11co]

Originally Posted by TheDemiurge

I must have seen a different film to everyone else. I thought it was utter pants and by far the worst entry in the Bond canon to date.

Someone else being deliberately obtuse just to stand out.

[-GONZO-]

Originally Posted by TheDemiurge

I must have seen a different film to everyone else. I thought it was utter pants and by far the worst entry in the Bond canon to date.

Yep your right, it was always going to be a hard task but nothing can stand up to the masterpiece that was Die Another Die.

[RebelScum]

An less serious note...

Theme of old and new running throughout the film,

Central Character (CC) returning to active duty after some time away from the field,

A bitter villain out for revenge,

Death of an important character at the end who is the closest thing to family the CC has,

Film ending with a rejuveneted CC, ready to take on the world and looking forward to facing new missions.

What a great film....

...I really must watch The Wrath of Khan again soon.

[darthbibble]

Heard a theory that the role of KIncade was written with Sean Connery in mind...

Not sure how much truth there was behind this, but I like the idea of it

[Rincewind78]

Originally Posted by darthbibble

Heard a theory that the role of KIncade was written with Sean Connery in mind...

Not sure how much truth there was behind this, but I like the idea of it

interesting, but that sounds familiar to my ears also. I seem to remember there was news that he was requested to play the new baddie, but straight out refused.

[TheDemiurge]

Originally Posted by r11co

Someone else being deliberately obtuse just to stand out.

I genuinely thought it was awful. Risible dialogue, thin plot, really poor continuity, hackneyed characterisation, left to Judi Dench and Ralph Fiennes to give it some semblance of credibility.

[grimtales1]

Originally Posted by Rincewind78

interesting, but that sounds familiar to my ears also. I seem to remember there was news that he was requested to play the new baddie, but straight out refused.

That would have been a nice touch if it was Connery

[Heavenly]

Originally Posted by yakutz

Thoroughly enjoyed it. Think it's definitely the best Bond since Goldeneye, possibly going back to the Connery films. Bardem and Whishaw were particularly excellent, I thought.

They were, I loved Whishaw in The Hour, he is a great choice.

[Rincewind78]

Well, I thought it was "just alright". think I need a second viewing, which is happening tonight!
Never really took to Danial Craig's Bond much - but I prefered this film over the last 2.

I especially liked the

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nods to previous Bonds/Bond culture.
The opening title sequence - one of the best I've seen under Craig's new Bond - have a thing for titles sequences of Bond movies

and wasn't so keen on.....

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Love the actor Javier Bardem, but found his baddie character boring, predictable and have seen it all before and done better.
Also, confirmation that 007's real name was actually James Bond - and not his "false" agent's name, like I had always prefered to think. We found out that Javier Bardem's character and the undercover agents had a MI6 code name AND a real name

still prefered this movie over CR and QoS though. saw it last night and watching it again tonight with some different friends

[grimtales1]

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I had always thought or preferred to think James Bond was an undercover name as well

[Ron_J]

I went to see it yesterday afternoon and there were only around 20 people in the screening, surprisingly. I thought it was quite good overall even if the plot is shaky*. I certainly got the feeling that the gamekeeper part was written for Connery (and was that a Scottish accent that Albert Finney was attempting?). The references to previous films weren't subtle but were generally welcome. I was impressed by the photography, I thought the whole film had a great look - the Shanghai scenes were particularly stunning. I'm glad I went to see it in the cinema since it won't look anything like as good on tv. .


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I get that Silva was angry with M for betraying him to the Chinese but why and how did he become a cyberterrorist? Did he have any particular skill with computers which enabled him to hack into the MI6 systems? In fact the whole computer part of the plot was nonsense. The whole set up hinges on Silva knowing that Bond would be sent to sort out the assassin guy he was trying to kill on the train before the opening credits, and that he would then try and cash in the casino chip...? Then that he would be able to escape (via some offscreen deus ex machina) into the sewers to kill M at a Commons Comittee hearing that was only arranged the previous day.....? The more I think about the plot, the more it just disappears into a gaping vacuum of implausibility. But that's not why you watch a James Bond film I suppose.

[The Ambassador]

Skyfall is #7 in my Bond countdown.Good, but not great.

1.Goldeneye
2.OHMSS
3.Casino Royale
4.You Only Live Twice
5.Goldfinger
6.Live And Let Die
7.Skyfall

[RebelScum]

Given that Silva felt so strongly he had been betrayed by his former employers, in a perverse way, I thought it was a nice touch that his demise was via a knife in the back.

[darthbibble]

Originally Posted by Ron_J

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I get that Silva was angry with M for betraying him to the Chinese but why and how did he become a cyberterrorist? Did he have any particular skill with computers which enabled him to hack into the MI6 systems?

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His unauthorised cyberhacking was why M gave him up to the Chinese in the first place

Originally Posted by Ron_J

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Then that he would be able to escape (via some offscreen deus ex machina) into the sewers to kill M at a Commons Comittee hearing that was only arranged the previous day.....?

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This is not deus ex machina

[Ron_J]

Ah, I should have paid more attention. It's the back of the class for me..

[Irma Bunt]

Originally Posted by D.Page

Oh, yes. I looked at that London skyline, much of it shot in dreary weather conditions (very apt), and my jaw dropped with the visual spendour (!).



You can use the 'travelogue' argument, but Bond films have always included a number of stunning locations. Not many in this one, for some reason.

But London is a stunning location for people who don't live in the UK. In other words, the majority of the audience for the film... And it hardly looked dreary in the film.

[NorfolkBoy1]

Love it when people invoke deus ex machina not only incorrectly but also when the 'plot hole' in question is clearly explained if you're actually paying attention.

[NorfolkBoy1]

Originally Posted by Stansfield

A 50 year problem......and 23 films.

Back-Story I think, has always been in the Books.....

Quite the opposite in fact, From what I've read (not the Bond books, just people writing about them), Fleming very rarely gave any clues about Bond's origins, he only ever nodded to Bond's Scottish roots as a result of the success of Connery's portrayal.

[darthbibble]

Originally Posted by NorfolkBoy1

Quite the opposite in fact, From what I've read (not the Bond books, just people writing about them), Fleming very rarely gave any clues about Bond's origins, he only ever nodded to Bond's Scottish roots as a result of the success of Connery's portrayal.

The details about his parents names and death along with Bond's age at this time is given in the book of You Only Live Twice and are consistent with what's revealed in Skyfall - though yes this was written after Dr No came out at the cinema.

[Irma Bunt]

Originally Posted by NorfolkBoy1

Quite the opposite in fact, From what I've read (not the Bond books, just people writing about them), Fleming very rarely gave any clues about Bond's origins, he only ever nodded to Bond's Scottish roots as a result of the success of Connery's portrayal.

Yes, the obituary that M wrote in the novel of You Only Live Twice - nodded to in Skyfall - filled in some of the blanks, although Fleming had given a few hints of Bond's childhood in previous novels. And as darthbibble points out, the details in Skyfall are largely consistent with what Fleming established in You Only Live Twice.

Fleming's Bond also drank beer occasionally. Something those who're jumping on the bandwagon of bleating about Heineken's product placement deal seem ignorant of.

[Irma Bunt]

Originally Posted by grimtales1

Spoiler

I had always thought or preferred to think James Bond was an undercover name as well

Hideous fanw*nkery, in my view! Sorry. As is the horrid Codename theory whereby James Bond 007 is a cover for different agents. If that were the case, why would both Moore-Bond and Dalton-Bond mourn the death of Lazenby-Bond's wife? Why would Lazenby-Bond and Brosnan-Bond reminisce over gadgets from Connery-Bond and Moore-Bond's missions? It's a horrible idea.

[NorfolkBoy1]

Originally Posted by Irma Bunt

Hideous fanw*nkery, in my view! Sorry. As is the horrid Codename theory whereby James Bond 007 is a cover for different agents. If that were the case, why would both Moore-Bond and Dalton-Bond mourn the death of Lazenby-Bond's wife? Why would Lazenby-Bond and Brosnan-Bond reminisce over gadgets from Connery-Bond and Moore-Bond's missions? It's a horrible idea.

Agreed, as much as the continuity issues bend my brain a little I'd rather that than ripping the soul out of the series with such an explanation.

[darthbibble]

Originally Posted by Irma Bunt

Hideous fanw*nkery, in my view! Sorry. As is the horrid Codename theory whereby James Bond 007 is a cover for different agents. If that were the case, why would both Moore-Bond and Dalton-Bond mourn the death of Lazenby-Bond's wife? Why would Lazenby-Bond and Brosnan-Bond reminisce over gadgets from Connery-Bond and Moore-Bond's missions? It's a horrible idea.

They did seem to be going for it with the Casino Royale reboot though - as in starting again afresh with a Bond as a code name, it didn't stand up pre Casino Royale. Skyfall has ended that idea for the Craig Bond though

[NorfolkBoy1]

Originally Posted by darthbibble

They did seem to be going for it with the Casino Royale reboot though - as in starting again afresh with a Bond as a code name, it didn't stand up pre Casino Royale. Skyfall has ended that idea for the Craig Bond though

did they? I seem to remember him being given a code-name but he refused to use it and went around announcing himself as Bond (or was that in QoS?)..

[darthbibble]

Originally Posted by NorfolkBoy1

did they? I seem to remember him being given a code-name but he refused to use it and went around announcing himself as Bond (or was that in QoS?)..

That was a cover name in Casino Royale rather than a code name.

There where a few hints in QoS about agents being given code names (and Silva had one in Skyfall) - none specific to Bond as I recall, but it did leave the possibility open and a number of people at the time speculated as to whether they'd run with it.