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Old 30-10-2012, 12:42
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Someone else being deliberately obtuse just to stand out.
So its either agree with the consensus - or you are being "deliberately obtuse"?

Even for some of the most critically acclaimed or popular movies - there will still be people who genuinely don't like them (and vice versa).

I thought it was a decent outing - but I liked Casino Royale better.
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Old 30-10-2012, 12:45
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That was a cover name in Casino Royale rather than a code name.

There where a few hints in QoS about agents being given code names (and Silva had one in Skyfall) - none specific to Bond as I recall, but it did leave the possibility open and a number of people at the time speculated as to whether they'd run with it.
I hope they never do. And given that Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli have always dismissed the idea, I doubt it ever will while they're in charge.
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Old 30-10-2012, 12:47
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They did seem to be going for it with the Casino Royale reboot though - as in starting again afresh with a Bond as a code name, it didn't stand up pre Casino Royale. Skyfall has ended that idea for the Craig Bond though
Well, I must have seen Casino Royale 50 times, but I don't recall that happening.
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Old 30-10-2012, 12:49
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So its either agree with the consensus - or you are being "deliberately obtuse"?

Even for some of the most critically acclaimed or popular movies - there will still be people who genuinely don't like them (and vice versa).

I thought it was a decent outing - but I liked Casino Royale better.
While I disagree with you - if only because Martin Campbell is a competent director whereas Sam Mendes is a great one and it shows in their respective films in my view - you are utterly entitled to have your opinion. It's all subjective.
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Old 30-10-2012, 12:56
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It's all subjective.
Of course. Some of my favorite films fared very badly at the hands of critics/at the box office, and some of my most hated/boring films are critically acclaimed or have cult status.

Movies are like food - you can't tell somebody what tastes nice, and you don't really have a reasonable argument against somebody disliking a particular food, even if Heston Blumenthal did cook it.
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Old 30-10-2012, 12:57
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But London is a stunning location for people who don't live in the UK. In other words, the majority of the audience for the film... And it hardly looked dreary in the film.
Indeed. And the "dreary weather conditions", that took up about 10 seconds in a 140 minute film, were subtext anyway.
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Old 30-10-2012, 13:08
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Saw this last weekend, although I haven't always been a big Bond fan I'm a big fan of Sam Mendes so I was expecting big things and certainly wasn't disappointed! It really was a fantastic film, in fact I'd go as far to say it's my favourite film of 2012 so far!
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Old 30-10-2012, 13:42
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Well, I must have seen Casino Royale 50 times, but I don't recall that happening.
As I said in my previous post - it was a reference from QoS!
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Old 30-10-2012, 14:00
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Watched Skyfall at the weekend, so so good
Casino Royale was good but Skyfall was the film that Casino Royale didn't have the danglies to be.

Less said about Quantum of Sausages the better.

Skyfall is great and a real return to form for Bond
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Old 30-10-2012, 14:07
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It's fine that some people don't like it obviously. But to call it the very worst of the lot is a bit of a stretch. How anyone can possibly claim that objectively speaking, the likes of Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are better made than Skyfall is completely beyond me.
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Old 30-10-2012, 14:41
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I thought it was better than Casino Royale - which is a touch overrated IMO.

Casino Royale always seems like it needs to finish after the Casino stuff and the bits with Bond and Vespa on holiday, the half-assed resignation and the collapsing building seem tacked on.
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Old 30-10-2012, 14:53
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I loved the glamour and romance of Casino Royale (and I might be one of the few who liked the bleakness of Quantum too) but this is such a classy piece work. It's the perfect mix of Bond tropes, brilliant action and an intelligent story arc. A proper return to an adult Bond and probably edges it as best Bond so far.

My one niggle is why have Q playing a computer keyboard like a baby grand. I'm guessing that even the geekest geek wouldn't be able to clatter out code or whatever like that...and not look at what he was typing either.
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Old 30-10-2012, 15:00
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t even the geekest geek wouldn't be able to clatter out code or whatever like that...and not look at what he was typing either.
I'm not the geekiest geek in the world, but I can bang out code by touch typing!
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Old 30-10-2012, 15:25
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Indeed. And the "dreary weather conditions", that took up about 10 seconds in a 140 minute film, were subtext anyway.
Skyfall is 142 minutes, and contains many scenes showing London, in dreary weather, as the location. Don't know what film you were watching. But, even if you were right, it would only strengthen my point.
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Old 30-10-2012, 15:34
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I don't think it's any more complex than this... London's the coolest city in the world at the moment. And most expected it would be this way because of the Olympics. Sure, it's a good point that to most of the film's audience, London is still a foreign location, but that's essentially the second bird with one stone. Not to mention the goodwill it displays to the loyal British fans. It was just a no-brainer to feature London heavily, I thought.

I wouldn't make a habit of it though - having a spy film set almost entirely in Britain left me with a very vague impression of Johnny English. But obviously, the quality of Skyfall more than cancelled that out!
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Old 30-10-2012, 15:57
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Skyfall is 142 minutes, and contains many scenes showing London, in dreary weather, as the location. Don't know what film you were watching.
And I don't know which film you were watching. London didn't look at all dreary to me. Quite the reverse. Like many of the critics, it came across as a love letter to London, to be honest.
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Old 30-10-2012, 15:58
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I don't think it's any more complex than this... London's the coolest city in the world at the moment. And most expected it would be this way because of the Olympics. Sure, it's a good point that to most of the film's audience, London is still a foreign location, but that's essentially the second bird with one stone. Not to mention the goodwill it displays to the loyal British fans. It was just a no-brainer to feature London heavily, I thought.

I wouldn't make a habit of it though - having a spy film set almost entirely in Britain left me with a very vague impression of Johnny English. But obviously, the quality of Skyfall more than cancelled that out!
Ian Fleming's novel, Moonraker, never left the UK, being set in London and just outside Dover. So there is a Fleming precedent.
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Old 30-10-2012, 16:07
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Saw the film this morning and thought it was one of the best. The London locations were very good even though they took liberties with the Underground due to filming at disused Charing Cross and having to pretend it was the District Line.

A twist at the end which would have made my day
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Did any body notice the building where M's superior and the enquiry was held was next to Trinity House in Trinity Square by Tower Hill was the same building used in the opening titles of the Proffesionals as the HQ of CI5
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Old 30-10-2012, 16:10
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Saw the film this morning and thought it was one of the best. The London locations were very good even though they took liberties with the Underground due to filming at disused Charing Cross and having to pretend it was the District Line.

A twist at the end which would have made my day
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Did any body notice the building where M's superior and the enquiry was held was next to Trinity House in Trinity Square by Tower Hill was the same building used in the opening titles of the Proffesionals as the HQ of CI5
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Old 30-10-2012, 16:17
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But London is a stunning location for people who don't live in the UK. In other words, the majority of the audience for the film... And it hardly looked dreary in the film.
As well as all the dreary London scenes I noticed in the film, I take it you must have been in the loo when 'M' was standing at her window while reflecting on her decision to order Moneypenny to 'take the shot', resulting in Bond being shot instead of the villian.

Please don't misunderstand me. I never suggested that London could not be shot to appear stunning within a film, but the dreary weather conditions made it seem dull in this film.
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Old 30-10-2012, 16:20
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Old 30-10-2012, 16:39
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Saw the film this morning and thought it was one of the best. The London locations were very good even though they took liberties with the Underground due to filming at disused Charing Cross and having to pretend it was the District Line.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that but it was a minor niggle, I imagine anyone who doesn't live in London or use the Underground wouldn't notice that.
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Old 30-10-2012, 17:47
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really poor continuity....
To the next person who uses this as evidence Skyfall was somehow inferior to earlier movies I will say this...

Felix Leiter.
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Old 30-10-2012, 18:02
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Skyfall is 142 minutes, and contains many scenes showing London, in dreary weather, as the location. Don't know what film you were watching. But, even if you were right, it would only strengthen my point.
Dude, I think you mistake me for someone who gives a damn.
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Old 30-10-2012, 18:12
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Dude, I think you mistake me for someone who gives a damn.
Well, you're the one taking the trouble to reply in order to try to give the impression that you don't give a damn, otherwise you would have left it at that, right?
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