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Old 05-11-2012, 11:55
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Please tell me I wasn't the only one quietly humming the theme tune to Home Alone when Bond and M were in the house setting up all their booby traps?
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:11
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I loved it. I gave up on Bond about halfway through Roger Moore era where it just got cheesier and cheesier and nothing like the Bond in the books. I never watched Pierce Brosnan as Bond but decied to give Daniel Craig as Bond a go and have been hooked again.

I think he is a terrific as Bond, much more like the book's character. Ruthless and cold blooded without all the silly supposedly comedic one liners.

I would rate this film as excellent. I read Giles Conran (shame on you for giving away the ending) and I would say that Bond is not just misogynistic - he would kill anyone man or woman to achieve his goal. He cannot allow himself to have feelings - he did that in Casino Royale and it does not help if you need a clear head. The villain is great a camp psycopath - he actually made me shiver. I loved Q and Judi Dench as usual was superb.

I also loved the nods to previous Bonds after all it has been 50 years. Really looking forward to the next Bond film now.
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:17
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To be fair Giles Goren's piece was posted as having major spoilers, I can't understand why you'd go round the internet reading stuff about Skyfall without having actually seen the film.
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:49
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How anyone could think this was on the same level as Quantum of Solace I'll never know.

It was absolutely the right Bond film at the right time. It looked great and scenes we allowed to breathe without feeling the need to rush to yet another action sequence. Bond was damaged enough to be compelling without going overboard into dourness.

Casio Royale wasa good start, this was a good continuance. QoS was a hiccup best forgotten.
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:51
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I loved it. I gave up on Bond about halfway through Roger Moore era where it just got cheesier and cheesier and nothing like the Bond in the books. I never watched Pierce Brosnan as Bond but decied to give Daniel Craig as Bond a go and have been hooked again.
Watch Goldeneye. One of the best of the series and was directed by the same guy who did Casino Royale.
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Old 05-11-2012, 13:00
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A lot of the criticism of QoS never quite takes into account the WGA writers' strike of 2007-08, which led to a script being submitted in a rush to beat the picket line and then filming going ahead without, initially, any writers on set to do any necessary re-writes. It was not a great Bond film, but there is good reason for that.
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Old 05-11-2012, 13:27
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a couple of things I did approve of were :

great camerawork/directing in action scenes , we could see what was happening , none of that crap Bourne style shaky-cam .

the music , I'm glad they used Thomas Newman , Arnold was becoming a bit too cliche , too much parodying John Barry's work .
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Old 05-11-2012, 13:42
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A lot of the criticism of QoS never quite takes into account the WGA writers' strike of 2007-08, which led to a script being submitted in a rush to beat the picket line and then filming going ahead without, initially, any writers on set to do any necessary re-writes. It was not a great Bond film, but there is good reason for that.
Yes, the writers' strike screwed the movie. It was weird because they hired an art house director who ended up making the most action heavy film of the series.
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Old 05-11-2012, 13:50
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As a casual thought, I'd be interested in seeing if there is a difference of opinion over Skyfall between those who are bigger Roger Moore fans than Sean Connery and vice versa.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:17
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I've never really been interested in James Bond. I've only really seen bits and pieces.They never really appealed to me. I thought they were cheesy... However I LOVED Casino Royale and Daniel Craig's Bond. I though QoS was ok but I really loved Skyfall when I saw it this weekend with my bf. We both got a bit teary at one point in the film. Really superb film. I liked how M had more screen time and involvement. Javier was quite creepy as the villain. I'd definitely see this again
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:23
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Yes, the writers' strike screwed the movie. It was weird because they hired an art house director who ended up making the most action heavy film of the series.
Are you saying you think the script for Skyfall is less ridiculous than QoS?
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They don't even have the excuse of a writers strike this time !
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:28
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They don't even have the excuse of a writers strike this time !

Like no one has EVER done that in a Bond film before....
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:29
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Anyone have an idea if the DVD will be released in time for Chrimbo, or is that way too soon?
Obviously there's been no official word of this yet, but Amazon Germany is listing Skyfall for release on disc from 1st March 2013. That's a Friday, but for a massive release such as this, that's entirely feasible.
Seemed relevant.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:38
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Like no one has EVER done that in a Bond film before....
Well, duh, that's the point. I'm questioning how anyone can criticise QoS for it's awful plot when it's essentially the same as every other Bond film, up to and including the curent one.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:40
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Well, duh, that's the point. I'm questioning how anyone can criticise QoS for it's awful plot when it's essentially the same as every other Bond film, up to and including the curent one.
The post you quoted, and the post his post quotes doesn't mention the plot at all.....
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:41
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Are you saying you think the script for Skyfall is less ridiculous than QoS?
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They don't even have the excuse of a writers strike this time !
I'm not sure what your point is. However out-there Skyfall is, it's far less convoluted and trivial than QoS's script.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:45
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The post you quoted, and the post his post quotes doesn't mention the plot at all.....
Ok, subsituite the word 'plot' for 'script'. I assumed most people considered them different words for the same thing.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:48
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I'm not sure what your point is. However out-there Skyfall is, it's far less convoluted and trivial than QoS's script.
The thread moved onto the quality (or lack thereof) of QoS's script, and how it was affected by the writers strike. I was opining that Skyfall's script is hardly any more believable, even without a strike. The script has never been a Bond film's strongest point.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:49
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I assumed most people considered them different words for the same thing.
Considering they aren't the same thing, this would be a bad assumption to make!
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:50
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In defence of QoS I think the plot twist of the villain's scheme being that he was stealing water rather than oil quite smart , whereas computer hacking - ohh , enough with the computer hacking already !!
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:53
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Considering they aren't the same thing, this would be a bad assumption to make!
Well, it's going OT a bit, but how would you define 'the script' as different to 'the plot'? The script drives everything that happens in a film. How the script is interpretted is down to the director, but he's still filming the script as written.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:55
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The thread moved onto the quality (or lack thereof) of QoS's script, and how it was affected by the writers strike. I was opining that Skyfall's script is hardly any more believable, even without a strike. The script has never been a Bond film's strongest point.
Actually compared to most Bond films I found Skyfall's story refreshingly focused. The bad guy had a simple but satisfying revenge motivation which threatened MI6 and Bond had to stop him. Even the supposed backstory of Bond himself remained appropriately subdued.

It's not really about what's believable but how well it's presented. That's a given with this franchise, and Skyfall understood that.
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:59
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Well, it's going OT a bit, but how would you define 'the script' as different to 'the plot'? The script drives everything that happens in a film. How the script is interpretted is down to the director, but he's still filming the script as written.
simplistically.

The script includes the plot.
The plot is part of the script.

The are not the same thing.
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:06
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Actually compared to most Bond films I found Skyfall's story refreshingly focused. The bad guy had a simple but satisfying revenge motivation which threatened MI6 and Bond had to stop him. Even the supposed backstory of Bond himself remained appropriately subdued.

It's not really about what's believable but how well it's presented. That's a given with this franchise, and Skyfall understood that.
It's difficult to discuss without putting ugly spolier blocks all over the place, but I thought it was too simple a motivation,
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I know, this is hardly an original concept for a Bond film, but I think I prefer huge, grandiose schemes to at least have a huge, grandiose motive behind them.
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:19
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It's difficult to discuss without putting ugly spolier blocks all over the place, but I thought it was too simple a motivation....I know, this is hardly an original concept for a Bond film, but I think I prefer huge, grandiose schemes to at least have a huge, grandiose motive behind them.
I saw SkyFall at the weekend and, while I enjoyed it, I would agree with this. I too thought that the villians motivations were just too, well, ordinary lets say, for a Bond movie!

The Quantum organization of the last two movies had been building into something really good (power, influence and members at the very highest levels) untill, seemingly, shelved again!
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