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Old 20-02-2013, 16:24
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Needs? After scoring a billion?

The correct subjective version:

Civil enough?
Yes. Needs.

We seem to be going around in circles now. How many of the other 'billion-scoring' films were a bit naff....I'm thinking Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest & On Strangers Tide. We could also include Transformers: Dark of the Moon in the naff category, too.

Anyway, can we leave it there? You're happy with Bond the way it currently is. I'm not. You can watch further Bond and I won't. Job done.
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Old 20-02-2013, 18:03
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So what you want from Bond is what it needs?

Thank God Columbia are looking at the bigger picture.

Anyway, can we leave it there? You're happy with Bond the way it currently is. I'm not. You can watch further Bond and I won't. Job done.
We can certainly leave it there.

And for the public, the franchise, and Columbia, Skyfall is a job well done indeed.
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Old 20-02-2013, 18:37
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So what you want from Bond is what it needs?

Thank God Columbia are looking at the bigger picture.

We can certainly leave it there.

And for the public, the franchise, and Columbia, Skyfall is a job well done indeed.
Ha, thanks for snipping the bit which clearly demonstrates that big numbers does not mean a film is good.
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Old 20-02-2013, 18:41
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Is it bad that I wasn't sad when M died and was sort of relieved? At the end, it felt like M was a weird mother figure and I was watching a soap rather than a spy movie. Hopefully with a new handler Bond will start acting more like a superhero spy again. I'm bored with all the emotional crap and just want to watch some action.
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Old 20-02-2013, 18:42
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By that rationale, Shawshank Redemption was unsuccessful and unpopular, which of course we know isn't true. If numbers are important, surely it's the number of DVD/Blu ray sales which truly reflects on a films success?

The cracks are;

- ever flimsy plots
I mean, Casino Royale was centred around a Poker game. QoS was fundamentally about oil and Skyfall was about an ex-agent with a grudge against M. Bring back world domination, double-entendres, sexism and gadgets, y'know, the things which made Bond successful in the first place.

- Lack of new source material
With a need to start creating new stories, why can't they pull together a Bond worthy story arc/script? I thought the plot for Skyfall was fairly flimsy to say the least.

- A constant need to be seen as being 'reinvented'
Casino Royale was seen as "reinventing the franchise". Now Skyfall is being lauded for the same reason. Why the need to constantly compete with the likes of Bourne? Leave the Bourne-type films to do their own thing and allow Bond to stick to what it's good at - world domination, double-entendres, sexism and gadgets.

The fun elements of the past have been replaced with an attempt to bring Bond into the 21st century.
The Bond films seem to have moved away from the world domination plots of the past which were frankly ridiculous but actually might be what we need now. Skyfall was pretty ridiculous too and was a more personal story like CR and QoS. There seemed to be no threat to anyone except M and Bond after the hard drive plot got conveniently forgotten about. Mendes gave Bond a Nolan-esque visual but the action was pretty boring. I think the media played a huge part in hyping up Skyfall and keeping word of mouth high. The one liners, world domination, femme fatales can be done well if there are decent writers attached. It's the same frickin' writers that wrote the fun but borderline embarassing Brosnan films, so what can we really expect? Put Bond under real danger with believable enemies and consequences. I know there were real consequences in Skyfall but I can't help thinking......

***SPOILERS***
that Silva should have killed M and got away. Bond should have escaped by the skin of his teeth but appeared to be dead, pulled from death by the old guy at Skyfall. Bond's death may have played better at the end of the film as he goes undercover (even more since he is already a spy!) to get Silva in a sequel. Then we can see Silva bringing master criminals and organisations together to form SPECTRE or similar as he has nowt else to do after his mission was a success. How would the Batman films play out if The Joker killed Batman. What the hell would he do next? Or how much money or power is enough for a criminal? Anyway, the hard drive could then come back into play as Silva takes out one by one the British spies and M keeps feeding Bond info and gadgets to help him in secret.
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Old 20-02-2013, 18:48
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Is it bad that I wasn't sad when M died and was sort of relieved? At the end, it felt like M was a weird mother figure and I was watching a soap rather than a spy movie. Hopefully with a new handler Bond will start acting more like a superhero spy again. I'm bored with all the emotional crap and just want to watch some action.
M seemed to become a bigger and bigger character once Dame Judi got the part. I preferred the old days when dear old Bernard Lee would hand Bond a folder and say "Go and sort out this chap Goldfinger" and off Bond would go after a bit of banter with Moneypenny and his five minute comedy routine with Q.
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Old 20-02-2013, 19:23
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Ha, thanks for snipping the bit which clearly demonstrates that big numbers does not mean a film is good.
Err...could you point out when I said it was?

Carry on clutching at straws.
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Old 20-02-2013, 19:28
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M seemed to become a bigger and bigger character once Dame Judi got the part. I preferred the old days when dear old Bernard Lee would hand Bond a folder and say "Go and sort out this chap Goldfinger" and off Bond would go after a bit of banter with Moneypenny and his five minute comedy routine with Q.
Agreed! I mostly associate Judi Dench with comfy old Sunday evening sitcoms, and never really accepted her portrayal of what was supposed to be a ruthless spymaster (spymistress?).
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Old 20-02-2013, 19:57
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Err...could you point out when I said it was?

Carry on clutching at straws.
You think that high box office numbers equals a good/popular film and ignore the info showing that big numbers doesn't always equate to a film being good/popular - this is evident by your many references to films making lots of money.

Needs? After scoring a billion?
Eh? It's the cinema-goers who make a film a success in the objective sense.

They went to see it in large numbers. It proved popular, made a lot of money etc.
I'm not clutching at straws, I'm being subjective and not letting the fact that Skyfall has made a lot of money get in the way of deciding whether or not the film was actually any good.
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:17
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You think that high box office numbers equals a good/popular film and ignore the info showing that big numbers doesn't always equate to a film being good/popular - this is evident by your many references to films making lots of money.
Jesus f*cking wept.

I never said big numbers equate to a film being good.

This is what I said earlier, in case you ignored it:

It's the cinema-goers who make a film a success in the objective sense.

They went to see it in large numbers. It proved popular, made a lot of money etc.

Objectively, that's a success.
Objectively, Skyfall has been a collosal success. That is all.

Feel free to twist this whichever way suits you.
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:21
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Is it bad that I wasn't sad when M died and was sort of relieved? At the end, it felt like M was a weird mother figure and I was watching a soap rather than a spy movie. Hopefully with a new handler Bond will start acting more like a superhero spy again. I'm bored with all the emotional crap and just want to watch some action.
Some of us haven't seen it yet - cheers.
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:33
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I was just thinking that it would have been fun to have had Billy Connolly in the Albert Finney role or even Brian Cox - I'm amazed he's never been in a Bond film, he's been in just about everything else!
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:49
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I was just thinking that it would have been fun to have had Billy Connolly in the Albert Finney role or even Brian Cox - I'm amazed he's never been in a Bond film, he's been in just about everything else!
Or Sean Connery.
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:50
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Some of us haven't seen it yet - cheers.
Lol. Lesson learned I hope.
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:54
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Some of us haven't seen it yet - cheers.
Whoops! Don't enter a thread about it then!
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Old 20-02-2013, 20:54
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They did actually consider him but decided it would take people out of the movie and I doubt if he would have done it.
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Old 20-02-2013, 22:46
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Some of us haven't seen it yet - cheers.
Whoops! Didn't do it intentionally but I honestly thought this thread was for people who had seen the movie and wanted to discuss the plot. It's been out for ages as well so you better be careful or you'll probably come across a lot more spoilers, especially in places marked "Skyfall"
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Old 20-02-2013, 23:08
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Whoops! Didn't do it intentionally but I honestly thought this thread was for people who had seen the movie and wanted to discuss the plot. It's been out for ages as well so you better be careful or you'll probably come across a lot more spoilers, especially in places marked "Skyfall"
It personally doesn't bother me too much as I've already seen it, but Digital Spy do provide
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Old 21-02-2013, 00:50
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It personally doesn't bother me too much as I've already seen it, but Digital Spy do provide
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Which I use in threads which have *no spoilers please* in the title It's easy to forget and make a genuine mistake and spoil something, which is why when I want to see something I'm very careful about what I read on the internet. It's not like Skyfall was released today and I've gone out of my way to purposefully ruin it on people
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Old 21-02-2013, 06:16
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Whoops! Didn't do it intentionally but I honestly thought this thread was for people who had seen the movie and wanted to discuss the plot. It's been out for ages as well so you better be careful or you'll probably come across a lot more spoilers, especially in places marked "Skyfall"
No worries
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Old 21-02-2013, 09:17
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I found this competition:

"SSE are giving you the chance to win one of 20 copies of the new James Bond movie Skyfall on their Facebook page.

To enter, submit your favourite cocktail recipe and like their page here: http://a.pgtb.me/lG2bM8 "

Has anyone got any decent Skyfall cocktail recipe ideas I can borrow?
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Old 21-02-2013, 10:57
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I found this competition:

"SSE are giving you the chance to win one of 20 copies of the new James Bond movie Skyfall on their Facebook page.

To enter, submit your favourite cocktail recipe and like their page here: http://a.pgtb.me/lG2bM8 "

Has anyone got any decent Skyfall cocktail recipe ideas I can borrow?
How about half a bottle of whisky, half a bottle of vodka, half a bottle of gin and half a bottle of rum. Mix well and then repeat until unconcious.

I call it The Oliver Reed
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Old 21-02-2013, 21:09
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I think QoS made Skyfall appear better than it really is.
Perhaps. I liked QoS more than Skyfall, and don't understand why its unpopular. The plot - not about oil at all, but about water - was more interesting, and the bad guys were more chilling, especially in their casual disposal of women. The Bond girl worked better too. Skyfall, by comparison, was a mess.
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Old 21-02-2013, 21:20
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Perhaps. I liked QoS more than Skyfall, and don't understand why its unpopular. The plot - not about oil at all, but about water - was more interesting, and the bad guys were more chilling, especially in their casual disposal of women. The Bond girl worked better too. Skyfall, by comparison, was a mess.
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Old 22-02-2013, 10:35
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I think QoS being so rubbish made Skyfall seem a lot better than it was.
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