And with that comment you discredited yourself entirely.

No.

Vocally not in the same ballpark as male r'n'b legends Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, etc.

Most of his original dance moves were ripped off from James Brown; and he got Jeffrey Daniels from Shalamar to teach him how to do the Moonwalk,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=END_WYdf8pw
then brazenly had his people claim he had invented it (as if he was Simon Cowell on X-Factor USA this week).

Musically he was going nowhere until he hooked up with producer Quincy (Dinah Washington, Sarah Vaughan, Ray Charles. Peggy Lee, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Count Basie, Sammy Davis, Jr., Rufus ft Chaka Khan, George Benson) Jones.

He lucked out with videos directed by John "American Werewolf In London" Landis. Having already worked with UK video director Steve Barron who had previously done groundbreaking videos for Adam & the Ants, Human League, OMD, Japan, Fleetwood Mac, Toto, Joe Jackson, Tears For Fears, Eddy Grant, Thomas Dolby, Spandau Ballet, and the debut video shoot the week before for some American female singer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pufec0Hps00

His best song Billie Jean bass hook ripped off Hall & Oates "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)".

He lacked the innovation to develop his music & visual formula that true pop music greats The Beatles, David Bowie, Madonna & Prince managed.

His live shows are only innovative if you regard having choreographed performances, with a large amount of backing tracks, and on later tours even made vocal lipsynching acceptable (see Britney Spears in the UK at the moment), taking as much of the improvisation (and therefore uniqueness) of a performance as possible out of the very essence of a live performance.

To even compare him in the same breathe live to Prince is a massive insult to his Purpleness.

Anyone who needs firstly promoter Don King (the 1984 Jacksons Victory tour), and later good friend Elizabeth Taylor; and then have his record company tell TV stations they can't show his latest video with calling him the King Of Pop is not worthy of the title.

.... and that's without mentioning you know what which most normal adult males would get locked up for.

Why don't you YouTube Madonna's Blond Ambition Tour?if you still have that opinion after watching that then fair enough but that tour is an absolute classic and every bit as good as an MJ tour IN MY OPINION. After her last tour M claimed the title of having the most successful tour ever by a solo artist. I doubt anyone that couldn't sing dance or write would be able to sell out huge stadiums across the world

A brainless comment. To claim that any of these artists had anywhere close to the same vocal ability as Michael Jackson is actually provably false. It's documented that Jackson ties with Freddie Mercury as having the largest vocal range in pop music history.

Evidently you've never heard of Britney Spears.

I'm also of the opinion that Prince is a better male music artist but it's not to say I don't appreciate MJ and I do think he was an absolutely fantastic dancer but I just think others were better

In your twisted and self important opinion, perhaps

A lie.



None of Quincy's work with any of those artists shifted anything even approaching the units that his work with Michael Jackson did, and Jackson continued to break sales records long after he and Quincy parted ways. Quincy himself describes Michael Jackson to this day as a genius.



I presume that by 'lucked out' you mean 'specifically hired'. John Landis, by the way, describes Jackson to this day as a genius.



A lie.



Musicologists and industry legends disagree.



A lie, which blatantly disregards Jackson's career peak concerts.



Another lie.



And another lie.


Good effort, though.

CEThorn - You are either a "Wacko Jacko" fan or a wind up merchant.

Which one is it?

One thing is certain, reading your point of views in this thread, and how you have made definitive statements with nothing to back them up, then I suggest you get your act together, pronto, as you are making yourself look as silly as those Wacko Jacko fans who defended a 40 year old adult male sleeping with 13 year old boys.

Your post, I'm afraid, was full of provable lies. That's your problem, not mine.

You can't post provable lies all of the internet, then call anyone who corrects you a 'silly wacko jacko fan' when their knowledge supersedes yours and makes you look like a wally.

The grown up thing to do would be to accept that you were wrong, rather than mud-slinging in an attempt to deflect attention from your inaccurate posts.

People are expressing their opinions that other artists are better and you are just calling people liars for not agreeing with youIt's quite hilarious really

Michael was brought to court on this, and was found innocent of all charges, why repeat this?

No, that's not what's happening - and your blatant attempt to misrepresent my words speaks to your agenda.

Maninthequeue posted several factually inaccurate statements, such as that Jackson was guilty of child molestation, that all of his concerts were mimed or propped up with copious backing tracks and that he claimed to have invented the moonwalk. All are demonstrable fabrications.

Because maninthequeue, despite clearly having never read the transcripts from Jackson's trial, is so clever that he knows and understands all of the evidence and testimony better than the jurors who were actually present in the courtroom.

No. I liked him, but he made three great albums - Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad. His early performances were his best, but I fully agree with people saying that he made lip-syncing acceptable. Madonna did too, but instead of getting worse with age, like Jackson, she actually grew out of it, eventually.

I don't think his choreography was all that innovative - as others have pointed out, James Brown had been doing something very similar, if not as choreographed, for years.
I don't think his vocals were that great, but in fairness, that's not generally required to be a great performer/artist.
Honestly, I don't know how much of the songwriting/production he did because I didn't follow his career THAT closely, so I won't comment on that. The claims being made about Madonna are laughable though.

I think he's an Icon, and due to his fame and success he will be remembered as a legend, but I don't think he'll be placed in the same league as people like Elvis (general performance, sexuality), The Beatles (musical innovation/techniques), David Bowie (performance art) or Madonna (sexuality, feminism, religion, performance art).

He just didn't cover as much as those artists, irrelevant of his longevity.

He does , Elvis was the greatest entertainer

This is like watching a debate between inmates at a mental institution.

Some of the fancy footwork was taken from James Brown, but most of Jackson's choreography was far beyond James Brown's scope. It incorporated elements of street dance, breakdance, modern, tap, jazz, vaudeville and even ballet. Fred Astaire described Jackson as his favourite dancer.

Then again, most Digital Spy readers do know far more about dance and choreography than Fred Astaire, don't they?

Elvis provably stole most of his act from Jackie Wilson and couldn't write his own hits.

People used to refer to Jackie Wilson as 'the black Elvis'. But Wilson was doing it all before Elvis. By rights, they should have called Elvis 'the white Jackie Wilson'.

It's a sure sign of maturity when you rely on insults to be the first sentence of your reply.

And it's an even more telling sign that you've chosen to ignore the well-reasoned, indisputable lines which followed it.

I think his vocals were fantastic from a child,teenager, man, his dancing was exceptional, he made full time high class professional dancers work for their money on videos, he worked on Tours so the Public would enjoy, also for somebody who knew nothing about the music business, he made sure thriller was followed by BAD, when most critics writ him off as a one album wonder.

Not ''indisputable'', and therein your problem lies. I have seen your other posts on here, and they're just irritating. Why did you respond to my opinion with an insult and then a quote from Fred Astaire? It didn't warrant a reply. I'm not going to change my mind because you said so.

So... you think he was amazing and I don't?

Absolutely.

Sadly as you are clearly than incapable of admitting you are wrong then I will put you in your place.

FACT #1: Michael never mimed his world tour concerts prior to the 1992 Dangerous tour. The first leg of the Dangerous tour, especially the early European shows, included only 3 songs out of the set list that MJ used a pre recorded voice track. These songs were "Jam", "Smooth Criminal", and the first part of "Man in the Mirror". Later, towards the second leg, MJ started using voice tracks in about 50% of the set list. The exact reason is unknown, but many assume that it was difficult for him to sing in tune while dancing so hard.

On the 1996 History world tour, MJ was using voice track in about 70% of the set list, too bad because he did a hell of a job singing live and dancing in the Bad world tour, but I guess it's because he was much younger and fitter then, plus he was addicted to prescription drugs then.

There are numerous youtube videos to back this up.

He was certainly going to mime on his O2 gigs according to his collaborator Akon http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...e-at-gigs.html

FACT #2: The greatest singer. ROFL. Shall we take a look at the poll carried out by Rolling Stone magazine recently which asked over 3000 music industry (artists, songwriters, producers, critics) to compile a definitive list of the Top 100 singers of all time:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...nklin-19691231

1. Aretha Franklin
2. Ray Charles
3. Elvis Presley
4. Sam Cooke
5. John Lennon
6. Marvin Gaye
7. Bob Dylan
8. Otis Redding
9. Stevie Wonder
10. James Brown
11. Paul McCartney
12. Little Richard
13. Roy Orbison
14. Al Green
15. Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin)
16. Mick Jagger
17. Tina Turner
18. Freddie Mercury
19. Bob Marley
20. Smokey Robinson
21. Johnny Cash
22. Etta James
23. David Bowie
24. Van Morrison
25. Michael Jackson
26. Jackie Wilson
27. Hank Williams
28. Janis Joplin
29. Nina Simone
30. Prince

As you'll see from those highlighted in bold there are a large number of Afro-Carribbean artists regarded in higher esteem than MJ. Somewhat disproving your myth.

Now I could prove my other points, but I'm want to post on the elsewhere about X-Factor tonight.

I'll accept your apology now, especially for defending the right for a 40 year old adult male to sleep in the same bed as children that are not his own, or I can continue to back my other statements up tomorrow.

I look forward to posting all the references where he insisted on being called "The King Of Pop", to be fair he was only copying Colonel Tom Parker's management of Elvis Presley, so again nothing new.

not at all controversial, pretty accurate imho.


spot on!


no he wasnt found guilty of child abuse, its a fact that he had sleepovers with kiddies for many years. an act that would get anyone else locked up or put on a register..

my... the pr men have done a real job on the jacko fans, totally unobvective, totally blinkered, swallowed everything they fed them..