Didn't he pay them off?

Plus, I thought he admitted to sleeping with children (not his own) anyway, and called it ''a beautiful thing'', etc.

He ended up in court and the court found he had done nothing criminal, what more do you want?

I always thought there was money involved. And I'm pretty sure he did admit to it.

i think if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't post what you just did

i know a lot about his music and work, which is why i speak from a knowledable viewpoint and why i point out how little input he had compared to the others who created the work

of course you sound like the type of person not to listen to reason, so no point in trying to persuade you otherwise

This has all being gone throught by the legal authorities, if you know contrary produce it, otherwise shut up and not insult a dead person who cannot defend himself.

where is that documented?

freddie has a wider range than MJ and prince has a wider range than both of them

When did I insult him? I was just stating what I had heard about the cases - that money changed hands and he did admit to it. Calm down please, and don't tell people to ''shut up'' - it's terribly rude.

But I should thank you for indeed confirming that dead people can't defend themselves. Good point.

You were insinuating that guilt was implied by a exchange of money, what you left out, was that Michael was very very naive and left himself open to parents who were looking a pay off to stop a sleep over claim at neverland, which michael was bounced into paying by lawyers advice at the time in mid ninties.

It all still sounds very suspicious to me, to be honest. It wasn't normal. There are many artists who are able to fight horrible claims like this and keep it relatively quiet and not have to pay people off - See: Britney Spears' sexual harassment lawsuit out now.

MJ mimed during every single one of his solo tous including the bad tour. that's a fact

he sang live during the first 19 shows, which took in japan and australia, and there is a widely circulating video of one of the japanese shows where he doesn't mime which leads some people to think that he didn't mime on the bad tour

as there is a lack of officially released live material, and he hadn't played live since the 90s, most people haven't actually seen him live in the flesh and have few other points of reference, thus crappy youtube videos are used as evidence as to if he mimed or not

he found it difficult singing certain tracks during the bad tour so introduced more and more backing tapes as he went on, to the point of the majority of the subsequent shows being mimed

to consider someone a great vocalist when they can't pull off a live tour without miming is a bit short sighted

as for his dance moves, as this is it will show, the professional dancers on stage were many times superior dancers than MJ ever was in his prime. his dancing is extremely over rated. again, due to the lack of official live videos, peoples point of reference is often tv performances such as when he was miming at the motown tribute

in the studio he laid down some great vocals, but just didn't pull it off in a live situation. if you listen to the bad tour as an example (of course the songs when he did sing live), you can hear he just doesn't pull it off very well. you can't blame that on the dancing, as many other artists are energetic even moreso onstage and pull off the vocals. MJ just wasn't trained properly to pull off live vocals in the concert setting

he wasn't found innocent of anything in court. court's find people either guilty or not guilty or not proven, etc, they don't find people innocent

and regardless of the courts findings, whether he was innocent or guilty is another thing entirely. sometimes people will be guilty, plead guilty and be found not guilty in court. other times people will be innocent, plead innocent and be found guilty

as has been pointed out, he admitted on tv that he slept with children and thought nothing of it. he abused children by abusing his position. whether he went further and molested them or abused them further is hard tell tell due to him surrounding himself with strange and dodgy people

You have have 2 choices in relation to Michael Jackson, the nasty view, or a second opinion which i give him, he was harmless but was setting himself up for trouble.

I've always been slightly mystified as to why Michael Jackson is held in such high esteem. This thread has taught me that I'm not alone.

That just about sums up your idiocy, what a pathetic comment right there, immature would be an understatement.


Yes, that's why the majority of top dancers in the music business credit Jackson as one of the greatest dancers to ever grace the business. That's why he schooled numerous people during a concert where he was unfit and unhealthy. That's why even people like Usher, people regarded as some of the best and most creative dancers in the business at the current time, credit him as the influence in their dance and him as the greatest mover there was.

Get a grip. It's fine to dislike somebody, but to come in and start talking utter nonsense is beyond ridiculous. I'm not a fan of The Beatles, but I wouldn't go around spewing rubbish that they weren't all that great, because it's verging on a fact they were one of, if not the greatest band ever, just like Jackson is one of, if not THE greatest male to ever grace music.

Of course people are so immature that this has gone from a decent discussion on top entertainers to 'OMGZ JACKSON MIMED HE COULDN'T DANCE WELL HE WAS VERY AVERAGE' and 'OMGZ Peado Jacko he slept with children'. Man, grow the hell up.

eh? so you think its ok for a middle aged bloke to have sleepovers with unrelated little kids?

it matters not whether or not he did anything sexual, (although he did give kids alcohol and viewed porn.. ) do you think thats acceptable?

double standards, jacko can do it because its jacko... yay! he can do nothing wrong! but anyone else behaving like that would rightly be ostracised!

thats not acceptable by anyone, regardless of who they are.

with respect... thats utter rubbish.

fine if you like him as a personal thing, but hes far from the greatest male in pop.

well he was a good performer, he did create some great pop songs... but thats been obscured by the fans who regard him as god and that he changed everything in pop... the non fans of course know this is a falacy

It is a crime in US law for a adult to give children alcohol or show porn to children, michael was charged with all this which in your post you treat as fact but the jurors found him INNOCENT, why do you make dirt of a man that cannot defend himself.

They certainly didn't but sales does not equal ability. Of course MJ was very talented and this thread is filled with vitriol for him but his best solo work was done with Quincy at the helm and frankly if anyone tried to claim the he was a better singer than Dinah Washington, Sarah Vaughan, or Ella Fitzgerald to name some of those who Quincy worked with, I'd laugh hard.

However this thread is about entertainers and not singers, which is why Madonna can get a mention: she may sing but she sure ain't a SINGER.

The very idea of a "King of Pop" or a "Queen of Pop" is nonsense for people whose thought processes are like soundbites: the sheer amount of talented artists who deserves our attention is astounding.

but he did change everything, thats the point. videos werent essential back then, but now they are.

It just makes me sad, he had such great potential but he was overshadowed by the most talented member of the Jackson family, La Toya.

WHAT?

are you serious? you think its acceptable for old men to ply kiddies with alcohol and show them porn?

no, micheal was found NOT GUILTY of child molestation... he DID have sleepovers with various children for many years, he did give kids alcohol and he did show them porn.

im michaels age, what would you think if i gave a ten year old girl alcohol, showed her porn, and offered her to sleepover at my place?...

A watse of time that list, like most, in my view: those are all BIG artists but they are certainly not all great singers. Bob Dylan is ranked above Otis Redding! Bob Marley is there because he was a mega-star but there are dozens of better Jamaican singers, many of whom I'd doubt those "3000 music industry" people may even have heard of!

Don't get me wrong, I think he was talented. But as for being the greatest entertainer of all time. . . I don't think so.

I love some of his songs and think he was an incredible dancer but as an all round package I think Madonna and Prince are better entertainers. There have been better singers than those but as far as entertainers go its M then Prince then MJ for me