Having just watched the shake your tail feather I can say that the Thriller routine is NOT exactly the same as shake your tail feather though I will note a similarity in 2 of the moves.
Is Michael Jackson the best entertainer ever.
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American Werewolf in London: Is it not obvious that John, since he directed Thriller as well, would offer a suggestion here or there? Also, it's the fact that this was in a MUSIC video that made it highly unique. Not the idea in itself. Think.
Westside story. Your point? Anyone with a concept of the film industry would know about that scene. Any thing with even a trace of that concept would be pointed out.
Michael had recited time and time again who his influences were and he made it a point to put it in his work. Fred Astaire, James Brown, John Lennon, Gene Kelly, Willie Nelson and even Elvis. When he was in the Jackson 5 he would always find a spot and study how James Brown performed and imitate the footwork. You act like he stole them and passed it off as his own. He borrowed a template and built upon it - some would say made it better. It's called inspiration. Everyone has them.
What makes Michael stand out is the fact that he broke down racial barriers (particularly on MTV). Before Billie Jean MTV were not playing many black artists. They were notorious for rejecting a lot of music videos from black artists. The select few that got through were extremely lucky. However when Billie Jean came out MTV had no choice but to play it due to it's popularity. That in itself is a HUGE achievement and something Elvis, The Beatles and no other white artist could have ever done. From the moment Billie Jean came out everything changed for Michael Jackson, all black musicians AND MTV.
Westside story. Your point? Anyone with a concept of the film industry would know about that scene. Any thing with even a trace of that concept would be pointed out.
Michael had recited time and time again who his influences were and he made it a point to put it in his work. Fred Astaire, James Brown, John Lennon, Gene Kelly, Willie Nelson and even Elvis. When he was in the Jackson 5 he would always find a spot and study how James Brown performed and imitate the footwork. You act like he stole them and passed it off as his own. He borrowed a template and built upon it - some would say made it better. It's called inspiration. Everyone has them.
What makes Michael stand out is the fact that he broke down racial barriers (particularly on MTV). Before Billie Jean MTV were not playing many black artists. They were notorious for rejecting a lot of music videos from black artists. The select few that got through were extremely lucky. However when Billie Jean came out MTV had no choice but to play it due to it's popularity. That in itself is a HUGE achievement and something Elvis, The Beatles and no other white artist could have ever done. From the moment Billie Jean came out everything changed for Michael Jackson, all black musicians AND MTV.
I also find it funny how people mention how Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles have more albums which sold more etc (Madonna hasn't sold more btw). Though not your intention it actually shows positively on Michael that he was able to achieve all he did with fewer solo albums.
Originally Posted by abibble:
“I also find it funny how people mention how Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles have more albums which sold more etc (Madonna hasn't sold more btw). Though not your intention it actually shows positively on Michael that he was able to achieve all he did with fewer solo albums.”
“I also find it funny how people mention how Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles have more albums which sold more etc (Madonna hasn't sold more btw). Though not your intention it actually shows positively on Michael that he was able to achieve all he did with fewer solo albums.”
that's a meaningless and pointless comment. not to mention wrong. MJ appeared on a fair number of albums over his career
Originally Posted by abibble:
“Having just watched the shake your tail feather I can say that the Thriller routine is NOT exactly the same as shake your tail feather though I will note a similarity in 2 of the moves.”
“Having just watched the shake your tail feather I can say that the Thriller routine is NOT exactly the same as shake your tail feather though I will note a similarity in 2 of the moves.”
it's very well known, and not a secret at all, that they took that routine specifically because they thought it would be funny to see the zombies doing those dances. i presume you're pretty young and don't realise that the dance sequence is made up of a number of different popular 50s/60s dances as you didn't mention that
this is part of the lyrics showing some of the dances...
Do the twist
Do the fly
Do the swim
And do the bird
Well do the duck
Do the monkey
Watootsie
And the, what about the food?
Do the mashed potato
What about the boogaloo?
The boney maroney
Come on and do the twist
the reason you probably don't realise is because of the nature of the editing of the thriller video that doesn't show the routine as clearly as in the blues brothers
Originally Posted by abibble:
“American Werewolf in London: Is it not obvious that John, since he directed Thriller as well, would offer a suggestion here or there? Also, it's the fact that this was in a MUSIC video that made it highly unique. Not the idea in itself. Think.
Westside story. Your point? Anyone with a concept of the film industry would know about that scene. Any thing with even a trace of that concept would be pointed out.
Michael had recited time and time again who his influences were and he made it a point to put it in his work. Fred Astaire, James Brown, John Lennon, Gene Kelly, Willie Nelson and even Elvis. When he was in the Jackson 5 he would always find a spot and study how James Brown performed and imitate the footwork. You act like he stole them and passed it off as his own. He borrowed a template and built upon it - some would say made it better. It's called inspiration. Everyone has them.
What makes Michael stand out is the fact that he broke down racial barriers (particularly on MTV). Before Billie Jean MTV were not playing many black artists. They were notorious for rejecting a lot of music videos from black artists. The select few that got through were extremely lucky. However when Billie Jean came out MTV had no choice but to play it due to it's popularity. That in itself is a HUGE achievement and something Elvis, The Beatles and no other white artist could have ever done. From the moment Billie Jean came out everything changed for Michael Jackson, all black musicians AND MTV.”
“American Werewolf in London: Is it not obvious that John, since he directed Thriller as well, would offer a suggestion here or there? Also, it's the fact that this was in a MUSIC video that made it highly unique. Not the idea in itself. Think.
Westside story. Your point? Anyone with a concept of the film industry would know about that scene. Any thing with even a trace of that concept would be pointed out.
Michael had recited time and time again who his influences were and he made it a point to put it in his work. Fred Astaire, James Brown, John Lennon, Gene Kelly, Willie Nelson and even Elvis. When he was in the Jackson 5 he would always find a spot and study how James Brown performed and imitate the footwork. You act like he stole them and passed it off as his own. He borrowed a template and built upon it - some would say made it better. It's called inspiration. Everyone has them.
What makes Michael stand out is the fact that he broke down racial barriers (particularly on MTV). Before Billie Jean MTV were not playing many black artists. They were notorious for rejecting a lot of music videos from black artists. The select few that got through were extremely lucky. However when Billie Jean came out MTV had no choice but to play it due to it's popularity. That in itself is a HUGE achievement and something Elvis, The Beatles and no other white artist could have ever done. From the moment Billie Jean came out everything changed for Michael Jackson, all black musicians AND MTV.”
MJ asked john landis to make the thriller video because of an american werewolf in london. he wanted his video to copy it
likewise west side story was the basis for beat it and bad
the point is that MJ was far from groundbreaking, nor did he break down any barriers. pretty much everything he did was the result of the work of other people. thus the videos that made him popular were not only put together by large groups of other people, but the ideas were taken from things that came before. there's nothing original about taking scenes from movies and remaking them to the backing of a song. that very idea in itself forms the basis of musical numbers in movies
the whole racial barrier issue has also been mentioned before. MJ was not the first on mtv, and in fact mtv weren't interested in showing his videos. they had to be threatened by the record company to remove access to all their videos before mtv would show it. as it was the early days of video and mtv needed all the videos they could get, they were forced to do it. on the other hand they played videos by the likes of prince upon the videos own merits. MJ being on mtv changed nothing for black artists. i again presume you are too young to have been around at the time?
heres what actually happened regarding black artists on mtv, the underlined bit gives a list of black artists that were played before michael jackson
During MTV's first few years on the air, very few black artists were included in rotation on the channel. Those who were in MTV's rotation included Eddy Grant, Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Musical Youth, Herbie Hancock, Grace Jones, and Prince. The very first non-white act played on MTV in the US was UK band The Specials, which featured an integrated line-up of white and black musicians and vocalists. The Specials' video "Rat Race" was played as the 58th video on the station's first day of broadcasting.[26]
MTV rejected other black artists' videos, such as Rick James' "Super Freak", because they didn't fit the channel's carefully selected AOR format at the time. The exclusion enraged James; he publicly advocated the addition of more black artists' videos on the channel. Rock legend David Bowie also questioned MTV's lack of black artists during an on-air interview with VJ Mark Goodman in 1983.[27] MTV's original head of talent and acquisition, Carolyn B. Baker, who was black, had questioned why the definition of music had to be so narrow, as had a few others outside the network.
Before 1983, Michael Jackson also struggled to receive airtime on MTV.[28] To resolve the struggle and finally "break the color barrier," the president of CBS Records at the time, Walter Yetnikoff, denounced MTV in a strong, profane statement, threatening to take away MTV's ability to play any of the record label's music videos.[28][29] However, Les Garland, then acquisitions head, said he decided to air Jackson's "Billie Jean" video without pressure from CBS.[27] This was contradicted by CBS head of Business Affairs David Benjamin in Vanity Fair.[6] In any case, MTV began showing the "Billie Jean" video in regular rotation in 1983, forming a lengthy partnership with Jackson and helping other black music artists.[30]
During MTV's first few years on the air, very few black artists were included in rotation on the channel. Those who were in MTV's rotation included Eddy Grant, Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Musical Youth, Herbie Hancock, Grace Jones, and Prince. The very first non-white act played on MTV in the US was UK band The Specials, which featured an integrated line-up of white and black musicians and vocalists. The Specials' video "Rat Race" was played as the 58th video on the station's first day of broadcasting.[26]
MTV rejected other black artists' videos, such as Rick James' "Super Freak", because they didn't fit the channel's carefully selected AOR format at the time. The exclusion enraged James; he publicly advocated the addition of more black artists' videos on the channel. Rock legend David Bowie also questioned MTV's lack of black artists during an on-air interview with VJ Mark Goodman in 1983.[27] MTV's original head of talent and acquisition, Carolyn B. Baker, who was black, had questioned why the definition of music had to be so narrow, as had a few others outside the network.
Before 1983, Michael Jackson also struggled to receive airtime on MTV.[28] To resolve the struggle and finally "break the color barrier," the president of CBS Records at the time, Walter Yetnikoff, denounced MTV in a strong, profane statement, threatening to take away MTV's ability to play any of the record label's music videos.[28][29] However, Les Garland, then acquisitions head, said he decided to air Jackson's "Billie Jean" video without pressure from CBS.[27] This was contradicted by CBS head of Business Affairs David Benjamin in Vanity Fair.[6] In any case, MTV began showing the "Billie Jean" video in regular rotation in 1983, forming a lengthy partnership with Jackson and helping other black music artists.[30]
Originally Posted by unique:
“it's very well known, and not a secret at all, that they took that routine specifically because they thought it would be funny to see the zombies doing those dances. i presume you're pretty young and don't realise that the dance sequence is made up of a number of different popular 50s/60s dances as you didn't mention that
this is part of the lyrics showing some of the dances...
Do the twist
Do the fly
Do the swim
And do the bird
Well do the duck
Do the monkey
Watootsie
And the, what about the food?
Do the mashed potato
What about the boogaloo?
The boney maroney
Come on and do the twist
the reason you probably don't realise is because of the nature of the editing of the thriller video that doesn't show the routine as clearly as in the blues brothers
MJ asked john landis to make the thriller video because of an american werewolf in london. he wanted his video to copy it
likewise west side story was the basis for beat it and bad
the point is that MJ was far from groundbreaking, nor did he break down any barriers. pretty much everything he did was the result of the work of other people. thus the videos that made him popular were not only put together by large groups of other people, but the ideas were taken from things that came before. there's nothing original about taking scenes from movies and remaking them to the backing of a song. that very idea in itself forms the basis of musical numbers in movies
the whole racial barrier issue has also been mentioned before. MJ was not the first on mtv, and in fact mtv weren't interested in showing his videos. they had to be threatened by the record company to remove access to all their videos before mtv would show it. as it was the early days of video and mtv needed all the videos they could get, they were forced to do it. on the other hand they played videos by the likes of prince upon the videos own merits. MJ being on mtv changed nothing for black artists. i again presume you are too young to have been around at the time?”
“it's very well known, and not a secret at all, that they took that routine specifically because they thought it would be funny to see the zombies doing those dances. i presume you're pretty young and don't realise that the dance sequence is made up of a number of different popular 50s/60s dances as you didn't mention that
this is part of the lyrics showing some of the dances...
Do the twist
Do the fly
Do the swim
And do the bird
Well do the duck
Do the monkey
Watootsie
And the, what about the food?
Do the mashed potato
What about the boogaloo?
The boney maroney
Come on and do the twist
the reason you probably don't realise is because of the nature of the editing of the thriller video that doesn't show the routine as clearly as in the blues brothers
MJ asked john landis to make the thriller video because of an american werewolf in london. he wanted his video to copy it
likewise west side story was the basis for beat it and bad
the point is that MJ was far from groundbreaking, nor did he break down any barriers. pretty much everything he did was the result of the work of other people. thus the videos that made him popular were not only put together by large groups of other people, but the ideas were taken from things that came before. there's nothing original about taking scenes from movies and remaking them to the backing of a song. that very idea in itself forms the basis of musical numbers in movies
the whole racial barrier issue has also been mentioned before. MJ was not the first on mtv, and in fact mtv weren't interested in showing his videos. they had to be threatened by the record company to remove access to all their videos before mtv would show it. as it was the early days of video and mtv needed all the videos they could get, they were forced to do it. on the other hand they played videos by the likes of prince upon the videos own merits. MJ being on mtv changed nothing for black artists. i again presume you are too young to have been around at the time?”
Again, there are similarities, but it isn't a direct copy from the Blues Brothers. Period. Only someone with a jaded opinion would think or imply that it was copied directly. I did a google search and couldn't find a single source that said they took the routine so is it really as well known as you like to think?
I own American Werewolf on DVD and have seen it several times. Michael copied nothing in Landis' movie except for the werewolf and the "Any resemblance to any persons living, dead or undead is coincidental" slogan. The concepts aren't even alike SAVE for the werewolf. One single borrowed idea/character doesn't make a stolen one. Or even a copied one. *kanye shrug*. As it is...Thriller has been placed into Americas National Film Registry of the Library of Congress (the first and so far only music video to do so) for being “culturally, historically or aesthetically” significant.
I already said black artists were on MTV before Billie Jean (Prince, Herbie Hancock, Grace Jones). I'm aware MTV was already popular. However at that time they were HEAVILY criticised for the lack of black artists on their roster. Buzz Brindle himself (former head of director for MTV at that time) had stated that they were struggling to find black artists with music videos and he tried convincing everybody (including MJ) to make them...then came Don't Stop Til You Get Enough but they didn't play it. There's actually two stories to that 'threatened' comment. MJ's label claimed they had to threaten to pull the labels other artists if they didn't play Billie Jean. The head of MTV, something Garland, claimed that they played it without any pressure from CBS. Personally, it always seemed like a trade-off to me. They sort of helped each other. It was a two-way deal. MJ broadened their audience. It was AFTER Billie Jean / Thriller that the doors started opening for other black artists to be played HEAVILY on MTV that weren't of a rock background as stated by Buzz Brindle himself including Janet Jackson and Whitney. My age has nothing to do with MTV being a primarily ROCK channel that aired a POP video.
I won't be replying back to this thread. I'm a fan, you're not - we could go back and forth forever lol. You do make some interesting points even if I may not agree to them
. Bye 
Originally Posted by Annieca:
“I was a kid during the 80's and i lived thru it EVERYBODY waited for the next MJ single and video, brillant as Madonna and Prince were this was not quite the same case, but looking back i think Madonna was trieding to get the Jackson effect.”
“I was a kid during the 80's and i lived thru it EVERYBODY waited for the next MJ single and video, brillant as Madonna and Prince were this was not quite the same case, but looking back i think Madonna was trieding to get the Jackson effect.”
Urm, speak for yourself, I was an 80s teenager and I certainly wasn't hanging around waiting for the next Michael Jackson release.
As for the thread itself, I find it amusing that people get shitty when disagreed with. The question asked was - is Michael Jackson the greatest entertainer ever. Of course there are going to be people who think yes and those who think no because music is subjective.
My personal opinion is that no, he isn't/wasn't the greatest entertainer ever, my vote for that would be firmly placed at the feet of Freddie Mercury. Was Jackson a talented man who entertained millions, yes he was, I have three of his albums and a few of his singles with the Jackson 5, would I have paid to go see him live on tour, no. Would I have paid to see Queen, damn right I would and I still regret that I never got the chance to do so.
Originally Posted by abibble:
“American Werewolf in London: Is it not obvious that John, since he directed Thriller as well, would offer a suggestion here or there? Also, it's the fact that this was in a MUSIC video that made it highly unique. Not the idea in itself. Think.
Westside story. Your point? Anyone with a concept of the film industry would know about that scene. Any thing with even a trace of that concept would be pointed out.
Michael had recited time and time again who his influences were and he made it a point to put it in his work. Fred Astaire, James Brown, John Lennon, Gene Kelly, Willie Nelson and even Elvis. When he was in the Jackson 5 he would always find a spot and study how James Brown performed and imitate the footwork. You act like he stole them and passed it off as his own. He borrowed a template and built upon it - some would say made it better. It's called inspiration. Everyone has them.
What makes Michael stand out is the fact that he broke down racial barriers (particularly on MTV). Before Billie Jean MTV were not playing many black artists. They were notorious for rejecting a lot of music videos from black artists. The select few that got through were extremely lucky. However when Billie Jean came out MTV had no choice but to play it due to it's popularity. That in itself is a HUGE achievement and something Elvis, The Beatles and no other white artist could have ever done. From the moment Billie Jean came out everything changed for Michael Jackson, all black musicians AND MTV.”
“American Werewolf in London: Is it not obvious that John, since he directed Thriller as well, would offer a suggestion here or there? Also, it's the fact that this was in a MUSIC video that made it highly unique. Not the idea in itself. Think.
Westside story. Your point? Anyone with a concept of the film industry would know about that scene. Any thing with even a trace of that concept would be pointed out.
Michael had recited time and time again who his influences were and he made it a point to put it in his work. Fred Astaire, James Brown, John Lennon, Gene Kelly, Willie Nelson and even Elvis. When he was in the Jackson 5 he would always find a spot and study how James Brown performed and imitate the footwork. You act like he stole them and passed it off as his own. He borrowed a template and built upon it - some would say made it better. It's called inspiration. Everyone has them.
What makes Michael stand out is the fact that he broke down racial barriers (particularly on MTV). Before Billie Jean MTV were not playing many black artists. They were notorious for rejecting a lot of music videos from black artists. The select few that got through were extremely lucky. However when Billie Jean came out MTV had no choice but to play it due to it's popularity. That in itself is a HUGE achievement and something Elvis, The Beatles and no other white artist could have ever done. From the moment Billie Jean came out everything changed for Michael Jackson, all black musicians AND MTV.”
bib
its not michael that claimed he invented the dance moves, its the fans, they seem to attribute these routines to jackson citing it as part of his 'genius'. theres nothing wrong with being inspired by others.
as for breaking down racial barriers... oh per-leez. this point has already been fully discussed and debated on here. the conclusion was that after assimulating all the info... his imact was negligable. he wasnt the first black on mtv, nor was he the first big black star of music. many, many others beat him to it. stevie wonder for one was a huge and well respected artist whilst jackson was still singing about a flippin RAT! plus quincey jones also was a huge success and respected producer.
Originally Posted by abibble:
“Again, there are similarities, but it isn't a direct copy from the Blues Brothers. Period. Only someone with a jaded opinion would think or imply that it was copied directly. I did a google search and couldn't find a single source that said they took the routine so is it really as well known as you like to think?
I own American Werewolf on DVD and have seen it several times. Michael copied nothing in Landis' movie except for the werewolf and the "Any resemblance to any persons living, dead or undead is coincidental" slogan. The concepts aren't even alike SAVE for the werewolf. One single borrowed idea/character doesn't make a stolen one. Or even a copied one. *kanye shrug*. As it is...Thriller has been placed into Americas National Film Registry of the Library of Congress (the first and so far only music video to do so) for being “culturally, historically or aesthetically” significant.
I already said black artists were on MTV before Billie Jean (Prince, Herbie Hancock, Grace Jones). I'm aware MTV was already popular. However at that time they were HEAVILY criticised for the lack of black artists on their roster. Buzz Brindle himself (former head of director for MTV at that time) had stated that they were struggling to find black artists with music videos and he tried convincing everybody (including MJ) to make them...then came Don't Stop Til You Get Enough but they didn't play it. There's actually two stories to that 'threatened' comment. MJ's label claimed they had to threaten to pull the labels other artists if they didn't play Billie Jean. The head of MTV, something Garland, claimed that they played it without any pressure from CBS. Personally, it always seemed like a trade-off to me. They sort of helped each other. It was a two-way deal. MJ broadened their audience. It was AFTER Billie Jean / Thriller that the doors started opening for other black artists to be played HEAVILY on MTV that weren't of a rock background as stated by Buzz Brindle himself including Janet Jackson and Whitney. My age has nothing to do with MTV being a primarily ROCK channel that aired a POP video.
I won't be replying back to this thread. I'm a fan, you're not - we could go back and forth forever lol. You do make some interesting points even if I may not agree to them. Bye ”
“Again, there are similarities, but it isn't a direct copy from the Blues Brothers. Period. Only someone with a jaded opinion would think or imply that it was copied directly. I did a google search and couldn't find a single source that said they took the routine so is it really as well known as you like to think?
I own American Werewolf on DVD and have seen it several times. Michael copied nothing in Landis' movie except for the werewolf and the "Any resemblance to any persons living, dead or undead is coincidental" slogan. The concepts aren't even alike SAVE for the werewolf. One single borrowed idea/character doesn't make a stolen one. Or even a copied one. *kanye shrug*. As it is...Thriller has been placed into Americas National Film Registry of the Library of Congress (the first and so far only music video to do so) for being “culturally, historically or aesthetically” significant.
I already said black artists were on MTV before Billie Jean (Prince, Herbie Hancock, Grace Jones). I'm aware MTV was already popular. However at that time they were HEAVILY criticised for the lack of black artists on their roster. Buzz Brindle himself (former head of director for MTV at that time) had stated that they were struggling to find black artists with music videos and he tried convincing everybody (including MJ) to make them...then came Don't Stop Til You Get Enough but they didn't play it. There's actually two stories to that 'threatened' comment. MJ's label claimed they had to threaten to pull the labels other artists if they didn't play Billie Jean. The head of MTV, something Garland, claimed that they played it without any pressure from CBS. Personally, it always seemed like a trade-off to me. They sort of helped each other. It was a two-way deal. MJ broadened their audience. It was AFTER Billie Jean / Thriller that the doors started opening for other black artists to be played HEAVILY on MTV that weren't of a rock background as stated by Buzz Brindle himself including Janet Jackson and Whitney. My age has nothing to do with MTV being a primarily ROCK channel that aired a POP video.
I won't be replying back to this thread. I'm a fan, you're not - we could go back and forth forever lol. You do make some interesting points even if I may not agree to them
. Bye ”
MJ and john landis used the dance routine from the blues brothers for the thriller video on purpose. that's a fact. you not being able to google that up is irrelevant. any MJ fan who knows his stuff will tell you that. likewise that the song itself was inspired by prince's 1999 song, which again is documented by MJ's engineer bruce sweiden
the whole idea of the thriller video was taken from both of john landis movies, thriller and the blues brothers and if you knew a thing about john landis you would know the "see you next wednesday" tagline is used in almost all his movies
as for the MTV thing, it's been mentioned before that he wasn't the first and the record company had to hold mtv to ransom to play MJ. again, this is very well documented
in fact all these points are well known and well documented. how can you call yourself an MJ fan without knowing this basic stuff? i guess you aren't much of a fan or haven't been a fan for long
another point about jacksons dancing....
(not the time atm) but if anyone would care to youtube the 70's disco act 'boney m' youd see the male (bobby farrion i think) performing his rather famous dance routines, esp on 'rasputin' and 'gotta go home', these pre-dated jackson and imho out performed him too.
(not the time atm) but if anyone would care to youtube the 70's disco act 'boney m' youd see the male (bobby farrion i think) performing his rather famous dance routines, esp on 'rasputin' and 'gotta go home', these pre-dated jackson and imho out performed him too.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“another point about jacksons dancing....
(not the time atm) but if anyone would care to youtube the 70's disco act 'boney m' youd see the male (bobby farrion i think) performing his rather famous dance routines, esp on 'rasputin' and 'gotta go home', these pre-dated jackson and imho out performed him too.”
“another point about jacksons dancing....
(not the time atm) but if anyone would care to youtube the 70's disco act 'boney m' youd see the male (bobby farrion i think) performing his rather famous dance routines, esp on 'rasputin' and 'gotta go home', these pre-dated jackson and imho out performed him too.”
you are getting the producer and real singer frank farian mixed up with the lead "singer" bobby farell. frank farian created the music and paid some people to "perform" to his backing tapes onstage. frank farian also put together the other famous lipsynching band, milli vanilli
so even MJ's miming wasn't original
i know someone from boney m's current lineup btw - who does sing live
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Urm, speak for yourself, I was an 80s teenager and I certainly wasn't hanging around waiting for the next Michael Jackson release.
As for the thread itself, I find it amusing that people get shitty when disagreed with. The question asked was - is Michael Jackson the greatest entertainer ever. Of course there are going to be people who think yes and those who think no because music is subjective.
My personal opinion is that no, he isn't/wasn't the greatest entertainer ever, my vote for that would be firmly placed at the feet of Freddie Mercury. Was Jackson a talented man who entertained millions, yes he was, I have three of his albums and a few of his singles with the Jackson 5, would I have paid to go see him live on tour, no. Would I have paid to see Queen, damn right I would and I still regret that I never got the chance to do so.”
“Urm, speak for yourself, I was an 80s teenager and I certainly wasn't hanging around waiting for the next Michael Jackson release.
As for the thread itself, I find it amusing that people get shitty when disagreed with. The question asked was - is Michael Jackson the greatest entertainer ever. Of course there are going to be people who think yes and those who think no because music is subjective.
My personal opinion is that no, he isn't/wasn't the greatest entertainer ever, my vote for that would be firmly placed at the feet of Freddie Mercury. Was Jackson a talented man who entertained millions, yes he was, I have three of his albums and a few of his singles with the Jackson 5, would I have paid to go see him live on tour, no. Would I have paid to see Queen, damn right I would and I still regret that I never got the chance to do so.”
Cadiva you are person after my own heart. Freddie Mercury was a born entertainer and no-one and I mean no-one will ever replace him - 80's teenager too. Have to say Jackson is the best dancer and again no-one in the music business comes second to him. Makes you ask yourself why did they have to go.
Also I never got the chance to see Queen something I will always regret. I have actually been a fan of theirs since the age of 5 and I am 40 now.
Originally Posted by unique:
“you are getting the producer and real singer frank farian mixed up with the lead "singer" bobby farell. frank farian created the music and paid some people to "perform" to his backing tapes onstage. frank farian also put together the other famous lipsynching band, milli vanilli
so even MJ's miming wasn't original
i know someone from boney m's current lineup btw - who does sing live”
“you are getting the producer and real singer frank farian mixed up with the lead "singer" bobby farell. frank farian created the music and paid some people to "perform" to his backing tapes onstage. frank farian also put together the other famous lipsynching band, milli vanilli
so even MJ's miming wasn't original
i know someone from boney m's current lineup btw - who does sing live
”
thats the one! lol..never a fan of boney m, i stand corrected
Originally Posted by julie2009:
“Cadiva you are person after my own heart. Freddie Mercury was a born entertainer and no-one and I mean no-one will ever replace him - 80's teenager too. Have to say Jackson is the best dancer and again no-one in the music business comes second to him. Makes you ask yourself why did they have to go.
Also I never got the chance to see Queen something I will always regret. I have actually been a fan of theirs since the age of 5 and I am 40 now.”
“Cadiva you are person after my own heart. Freddie Mercury was a born entertainer and no-one and I mean no-one will ever replace him - 80's teenager too. Have to say Jackson is the best dancer and again no-one in the music business comes second to him. Makes you ask yourself why did they have to go.
Also I never got the chance to see Queen something I will always regret. I have actually been a fan of theirs since the age of 5 and I am 40 now.”
bib... 'no one comes second to him'... you mean hes the worst?
actually if you read this thread there are plenty of examples of people who were better dancers then him...original ones too!
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“thats the one! lol..never a fan of boney m, i stand corrected
bib... 'no one comes second to him'... you mean hes the worst?
actually if you read this thread there are plenty of examples of people who were better dancers then him...original ones too!”
“thats the one! lol..never a fan of boney m, i stand corrected
bib... 'no one comes second to him'... you mean hes the worst?
actually if you read this thread there are plenty of examples of people who were better dancers then him...original ones too!”
Don't know any modern artist who was a better dancer than him.
Originally Posted by Annieca:
“Don't know any modern artist who was a better dancer than him.”
“Don't know any modern artist who was a better dancer than him.”
Awwww why couldn't you just leave it. Now you've bumped this thread all the Jacko Ming Mongs will come crawling slowly out of the woodwork like The man himself creeping from a nursery. Well done.
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Originally Posted by Annieca:
“Don't know any modern artist who was a better dancer than him.”
“Don't know any modern artist who was a better dancer than him.”
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maybe you don't know much about modern artists
Originally Posted by Annieca:
“Ok i know there is Elvis and John Lennon and the Beatles, but just in pure entertainment terms i would put Michael first. Why? He worked on all his albums, he contributed on his songs, he changed his style to deal with his times, he was charismatic, the best dancer ever, first major entertainer to recognise videos.”
“Ok i know there is Elvis and John Lennon and the Beatles, but just in pure entertainment terms i would put Michael first. Why? He worked on all his albums, he contributed on his songs, he changed his style to deal with his times, he was charismatic, the best dancer ever, first major entertainer to recognise videos.”
Hmmm...not sure i agree with that.
Working on his albums? - It's well known in the business that he had little to with albums like Thriller. The real work was done by Rod Temperton and Quincy Jones.
Changed his style? Well so have many others before and since, and i don't think he changed that much anyway.
Best dancer ever? Well,he knicked all his famous moves off James Brown, who was doing the moonwalk in the 1960's.
Charismatic? Yes, i'd give you that one.
First major artist to recognise videos? No! They were being used in the 1970's.It's just that the budgets for videos were much higher in Jacksons day.
Yes,he was a fine 'entertainer' but imho he was not socially,or artisticly important in any way whatsoever, just mega popular.
Overall, imho, his music was and is overrated.Some good,some very good, but an awful lot of utter dross.
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