[Caro07]

Originally Posted by kat180

Someone needs to warn Allen about the growing group of women that will be around Kiliney in the coming months!!

Also how gorgeous did Allen and Dan look in Manton Abbey?!! Without their hair slicked back

At least they'll all get to meet each other, it'll be like a DSDA cabal!!!
I would suggest you all wear the same flower or something (so you can recognise each other), but that would just make it too easy for the police!!!!

Was it just me or did his impression of his mother suggest a very different accent?

[bookishlaura]

I watched the Manton Abbey video and I'm a girl. I've had withdrawal symptoms already. I'm reading loads of fanfics online. (Mainly about my favourite couple Matthew and Mary) There's one about Edith becoming a flapper which is quite interesting. The fanfics will see me through the next 6 weeks. I could watch each episode again each Sunday while reading the fanfics and videos on Youtube. Check out the Uptown Girl one on Youtube. Everytime I listen to that song I think of the video.

[LoobyDoo]

Originally Posted by Caro07

At least they'll all get to meet each other, it'll be like a DSDA cabal!!!
I would suggest you all wear the same flower or something (so you can recognise each other), but that would just make it too easy for the police!!!!

Was it just me or did his impression of his mother suggest a very different accent?

and we've got code names sorted.. not that we're actually planning this

[Belle Fille]

Originally Posted by Caro07

At least they'll all get to meet each other, it'll be like a DSDA cabal!!!
I would suggest you all wear the same flower or something (so you can recognise each other), but that would just make it too easy for the police!!!!

Was it just me or did his impression of his mother suggest a very different accent?

He has a Dublin accent as he was raised there but the impression he does of his mum suggests she might be from the country.Then again, he might just be putting on a randon accent for his mum.

[downtonfan]

We can still talk about the show in here can't we? I think I've stepped into the Branson Fangirl Appreciation Society

Have Rosamund and Cora had any scenes together?

[Caro07]

Originally Posted by bookishlaura

I watched the Manton Abbey video and I'm a girl. I've had withdrawal symptoms already. I'm reading loads of fanfics online. (Mainly about my favourite couple Matthew and Mary) There's one about Edith becoming a flapper which is quite interesting. The fanfics will see me through the next 6 weeks. I could watch each episode again each Sunday while reading the fanfics and videos on Youtube. Check out the Uptown Girl one on Youtube. Everytime I listen to that song I think of the video.

I avoid fanfics but the idea of Edith as a flapper is interesting. We know she wants a change in life and she might think that she has nothing to lose.

Another idea I like for her is a romantic interest coming from the US. Her mother is American and there wouldn't have been the same shortage of men from there.

On a different forum they were speculating that Cora might be Jewish based on her surname (not sure how they know her maiden name though). But if she is then a wealthy friend of Cora's family would make a good partner and as Judaism is passed along the maternal line, if his family was more religious than Cora's and wanted Edith to convert it might cause the conflict that JF loves (and religion is one of the few areas he hasn't tackled).

[Caro07]

Originally Posted by LoobyDoo

and we've got code names sorted.. not that we're actually planning this

I should hope not!

[LadyOfShalott]

Originally Posted by Caro07

religion is one of the few areas he hasn't tackled).

I don't think they'll tackle religion in any depth, and i hope they don't. There's enough with class, money and a changing world. I would like Edith to get a good plotline with some romantic conflict though.

Actually the Sybil/Tom storyline has potential for a religious angle as he is likely to be a catholic. It was touched on very obliquely in ep8 when Violet referred to linking him to the Bransons with the house near Cork,she commented that they had some sort of connection with the Howards. Who are of course the premier Catholic family in England.

[LadyOfShalott]

Just catching up... Nice Manton Abbey stuff - it's intresting how engaged so many of the cast are with this series. Actors are often very matter-of-fact about their roles - it's a job, they do, they move on. Downton is like a club and they all seem happy to be part of it.

I'm missing all the anticipation of the spoilers, teaser quotes and analysing the previews down to the nth degree. But I may watch the whole of s2 again at the weekend - just to keep the excitement going.

Can't wait for some hints on the Xmas special.

[Minor Maggie]

Originally Posted by LadyOfShalott

I don't think they'll tackle religion in any depth, and i hope they don't. There's enough with class, money and a changing world. I would like Edith to get a good plotline with some romantic conflict though.

Actually the Sybil/Tom storyline has potential for a religious angle as he is likely to be a catholic. It was touched on very obliquely in ep8 when Violet referred to linking him to the Bransons with the house near Cork,she commented that they had some sort of connection with the Howards. Who are of course the premier Catholic family in England.

That thought had crossed my mind too. Tom is most likely to be a Cathlolic as he was born in Ireland. The Crawley's are C of E. If they get married in a Catholic Church then she is agreeing to raise the children as Catholics.

I live in Yorks am trying to work out where Downton is. Must be north of Harrogate as we had no mention yet of that lovely town yet! Shame they didn't make Harewood House Downton!

[Queen Maeve]

Originally Posted by LadyOfShalott

I don't think they'll tackle religion in any depth, and i hope they don't. There's enough with class, money and a changing world. I would like Edith to get a good plotline with some romantic conflict though.

Actually the Sybil/Tom storyline has potential for a religious angle as he is likely to be a catholic. It was touched on very obliquely in ep8 when Violet referred to linking him to the Bransons with the house near Cork,she commented that they had some sort of connection with the Howards. Who are of course the premier Catholic family in England.

Ah, I did't know that about the Howard's. I wonder if JF will follow through to make Tom more respectable

[Caro07]

Originally Posted by Minor Maggie

That thought had crossed my mind too. Tom is most likely to be a Cathlolic as he was born in Ireland. The Crawley's are C of E. If they get married in a Catholic Church then she is agreeing to raise the children as Catholics.

I live in Yorks am trying to work out where Downton is. Must be north of Harrogate as we had no mention yet of that lovely town yet! Shame they didn't make Harewood House Downton!

But wouldn't the reading of banns mean an Anglican (CoE/CoI) wedding?

I remember watching Who Do You Think You Are? with Dearbhla Kirwan. There was a mixed marriage (Catholic/Jewish) in her family (can't remember the exact relationship) before Irish independence and they got married under Church of Ireland rites as there was no such thing a registry office wedding and CoI was the official religion of the country. I got the impression that all mixed marriages would have happened in a CoI church.

[heatherfeath39]

Originally Posted by Caro07

But wouldn't the reading of banns mean an Anglican (CoE/CoI) wedding?

I remember watching Who Do You Think You Are? with Dearbhla Kirwan. There was a mixed marriage (Catholic/Jewish) in her family (can't remember the exact relationship) before Irish independence and they got married under Church of Ireland rites as there was no such thing a registry office wedding and CoI was the official religion of the country. I got the impression that all mixed marriages would have happened in a CoI church.

This is why I hope religion is not brought into Downton. After the inept way The Great War was handled, I don't trust JF. Luckily, I think we won't even get a glimpse of the wedding, Cora will probably mention it in passing and nothing more will be made of it.

In an effort not to make this more of a Branson fangirl site, I'll ask a question that's been bugging me all season. The women in the kitchen helping Mrs. Patmore are servants too, correct? Yet they never are seen in the dining hall with Daisy, and she was the only kitchen staff to go to the funeral. So who are these kitchen helpers and do they live in the house or are they village workers?

[downtonfan]

Elizabeth McGovern isn't Jewish (her husband Simon Curtis is) however she played Deborah in Once Upon A Time In America, who was supposed to be Jewish. God I love that film.

[heatherfeath39]

Originally Posted by LadyOfShalott

Just catching up... Nice Manton Abbey stuff - it's intresting how engaged so many of the cast are with this series. Actors are often very matter-of-fact about their roles - it's a job, they do, they move on. Downton is like a club and they all seem happy to be part of it.

I'm missing all the anticipation of the spoilers, teaser quotes and analysing the previews down to the nth degree. But I may watch the whole of s2 again at the weekend - just to keep the excitement going.

Can't wait for some hints on the Xmas special.

I agree about the actors, I think it helps that everyone gets along with everyone else. Egos seem to be held in check Also, I think most of the men haven't been seen as heartthrobs until now, so I'm sure all the female attention is appreciated.

As for spoilers, when will we know what the Crimbo show is about? Haven't seen anything about it apart from who's onboard. Luckily, here in the U.S., I will get to watch it over again in January-without commercials on PBS.

I do find myself making up plotlines for the Xmas special-Anna pregnant, Mary and Richard married, Matthew still morose and Moseley and Thomas compete to see who serves Lord Grantham. If one out of three of them are correct, I'll be a happy bunny.

[Caro07]

Originally Posted by downtonfan

Elizabeth McGovern isn't Jewish (her husband Simon Curtis is) however she played Deborah in Once Upon A Time In America, who was supposed to be Jewish. God I love that film.

It was on imdb and they weren't saying that Elizabeth was Jewish but that Cora was (or might be). This was months ago so I can't really remember much but i think they also had a maiden name for Cora (something like Levison - don't know where they heard that) and were using the fact that she didn't go to the memorial service for Patrick as evidence.

But even if they keep religion out I think an American for Edith would be good and now that the war is over it will be easier to cross the Atlantic. We could meet the girls' American cousins if nothing else.

[heatherfeath39]

Originally Posted by kat180

Someone needs to warn Allen about the growing group of women that will be around Kiliney in the coming months!!

Also how gorgeous did Allen and Dan look in Manton Abbey?!! Without their hair slicked back

Dan Stevens has the loveliest eyes and l see a bit of him in Series 1 Matthew. At least Dan acknowledge the pretty girls. But the downstairs women all look completely different in real life, especially Daisy and Mrs. Hughes.

Who was the bloke sitting next to Allen?

[Shi_fs]

Originally Posted by Caro07

I avoid fanfics but the idea of Edith as a flapper is interesting. We know she wants a change in life and she might think that she has nothing to lose.

Another idea I like for her is a romantic interest coming from the US. Her mother is American and there wouldn't have been the same shortage of men from there.

On a different forum they were speculating that Cora might be Jewish based on her surname (not sure how they know her maiden name though). But if she is then a wealthy friend of Cora's family would make a good partner and as Judaism is passed along the maternal line, if his family was more religious than Cora's and wanted Edith to convert it might cause the conflict that JF loves (and religion is one of the few areas he hasn't tackled).

The name appears it the World of Downton Abbey.

But even if the name is Jewish, Cora isn't Jewish unless her mother is and I'm certain she isn't. It makes no difference if her father is Jewish. It would have if she married someone in Germany or a country later invaded by the Nazis, but otherwise... The only interesting story line with this, and it's only in imagination because the series would not get far, is that if her family even from one side is indeed Jewish, she might still have relatives in Europe who later on will be fighting for their survival.

[Cadiva]

Originally Posted by Caro07

But wouldn't the reading of banns mean an Anglican (CoE/CoI) wedding?

I remember watching Who Do You Think You Are? with Dearbhla Kirwan. There was a mixed marriage (Catholic/Jewish) in her family (can't remember the exact relationship) before Irish independence and they got married under Church of Ireland rites as there was no such thing a registry office wedding and CoI was the official religion of the country. I got the impression that all mixed marriages would have happened in a CoI church.

The Roman Catholic faith did away with reading the banns but only in 1983 so before then it's possible they would still have been read in an RC church.

I'm Catholic but I married in my local Church of England parish church because my (then) husband was Lutherian and because half the wedding party including my dad, best man and half the congregation, wouldn't have stepped foot in the Catholic Church

A lot of mixed religion marriages in England take place in the local parish church because, as the "religion of the state" anyone is allowed to marry in their home town/village etc parish church.

[downtonfan]

I imagine Cora's father was the one who was Jewish. Hence the name Levinson.
As Granny Levinson is still alive (In season 1, Violet said she'd written to her about the baby) I'd love to see her come to Downton.

[Belle Fille]

Originally Posted by downtonfan

I imagine Cora's father was the one who was Jewish. Hence the name Levinson.
As Granny Levinson is still alive (In season 1, Violet said she'd written to her about the baby) I'd love to see her come to Downton.

I'd love to see Cora's parents come to Downton. I wonder if she gets on with them because when she heard her mother had written she didn't seem thrilled.

[downtonfan]

I don't think her father is still alive.
But ironically, Cora seems more closer to Violet than her mother.

[Loverach]

I think Cora would probably be closer to Violet by now. I think by 1919 she'd been married to Robert for close to 30 years and as Violet said in episode 1 of series 1, she saw their being allies (initially in their quest to break the entail for Mary) actually better than being friends. I'm thinking over time as they saw Mary and Matthew get closer that their friendship did as well although as Mary and Matthew inevitably drifted apart it didn't mean their friendship had to also. They had/have more in common than they think/thought. Also, apart from Robert and the girls, Violet is the closest thing to family she would have had so it would have been better for her to forge some sort of bond anyway, I think at least for her own peace of mind for the sake of her husband and her children.

[AboveStairs]

Originally Posted by heatherfeath39

In an effort not to make this more of a Branson fangirl site, I'll ask a question that's been bugging me all season. The women in the kitchen helping Mrs. Patmore are servants too, correct? Yet they never are seen in the dining hall with Daisy, and she was the only kitchen staff to go to the funeral. So who are these kitchen helpers and do they live in the house or are they village workers?

They would be kitchen maids. In a house the size of Downton most would be live in. Within the servants' hall there was a strict hierarchy with butler, housekeeper and lady's maid at the top and kitchen maids at the very, very bottom. Household staff would eat first, and only then would kitchen staff be permitted to eat.

I would presume Daisy is now a slightly different case due to the fact she's gradually worked her way up and also because she was married to William who was a footman and therefore higher ranking

[kat180]

Aside from a nice American for Edith I would love to see more of Cora's family - perhaps bring in a girl cousin to bring in new characters/story lines seeing how Mary's is getting old and Sybil's is probably about done now.

We are going into the 20's so will be delightful to see snobbish Robert deal with breakdown between upstairs and downstairs and deal with some Americans as well. He pretends he isn't but I personally think he is the most traditional toff of them all.