[TeaCosy]

A part of me finds it cowardly for people to wait until immediately after someone has died before coming out with revelations about them. And what do they get out of it? Is it to make sure he doesn't do it again?

[WoodenCat]

Originally Posted by Dan Fortesque

How does any of this negate Savile's behaviour towards her? And this was caught on film and it's her behaviour that's being questioned, so it's not hard to imagine how a lot more difficult it would have been for more vulnerable children to come forward and seek justice if any abuse did take place. Especially those from children's homes like Jersey.

Are you equating Jimmy Saville hugging her waist, in front of a studio full of people and cameras, with the horrors of childhood sexual abuse?

The point I was trying to make was, that it seems odd to me that she would feel so harmed by the experience we see on that clip; yet consider it perfectly reasonable to expose her son to paid sex at such a young age. That, in my experience, results in long and difficult to repair emotional damage.

[crazychris12]

Originally Posted by WoodenCat

. That, in my experience, results in long and difficult to repair emotional damage.

I read that quite a few men introduce their shy teen sons to sex that way and pay for it. Nothing wrong with it imo and doubt it scars them for life.

[WoodenCat]

Originally Posted by crazychris12

I read that quite a few men introduce their shy teen sons to sex that way and pay for it. Nothing wrong with it imo and doubt it scars them for life.

I've met those men in later life in a professional capacity and they are very rarely able to form fulfilling relationships. Quite often they end up only able to have sex when they pay for it, and have very low self esteem issues.
I'm sure it's not the same for everyone, but I've met enough to know it's not a good idea.

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Originally Posted by WoodenCat

it seems odd to me that she would feel so harmed by the experience we see on that clip; yet consider it perfectly reasonable to expose her son to paid sex at such a young age. That, in my experience, results in long and difficult to repair emotional damage.

What sort of damage, exactly?

[Dan Fortesque]

Originally Posted by WoodenCat

Are you equating Jimmy Saville hugging her waist, in front of a studio full of people and cameras, with the horrors of childhood sexual abuse?

The point I was trying to make was, that it seems odd to me that she would feel so harmed by the experience we see on that clip; yet consider it perfectly reasonable to expose her son to paid sex at such a young age. That, in my experience, results in long and difficult to repair emotional damage.

Of course I'm not equating it to the more serious allegations. I'm just pointing out that any subsequent behaviour by Coleen doesn't negate Savile's inappropriate behaviour towards her back then, and that seems to be being overlooked.

[WoodenCat]

Originally Posted by Dan Fortesque

Of course I'm not equating it to the more serious allegations. I'm just pointing out that any subsequent behaviour by Coleen doesn't negate Savile's inappropriate behaviour towards her back then, and that seems to be being overlooked.

Ok fair enough, sorry to have misunderstood.

[Swagger1]

If anything untoward was going-on between Saville and any adolscent guests, I think his widely acknowledged image as the tame, daytime nonce kept the authorities from booting his front door off its hinges at six in the morning. If he'd been taken into custody on the strength of a kid saying that Saville had wanked him off backstage with little more than that to substantiate the allegation, the nation would've been outraged.

Personally speaking, I don't think there was any more to the myth than, as someone who didn't have kids, Saville not being aware of the acceptable level of physical contact between himself and someone else's child. But I can still understand that some saw his relationship between himself and his adolesecnt guests as incredibly over-familiar.

[be more pacific]

Originally Posted by Dan Fortesque

Of course I'm not equating it to the more serious allegations. I'm just pointing out that any subsequent behaviour by Coleen doesn't negate Savile's inappropriate behaviour towards her back then, and that seems to be being overlooked.

Was the behaviour particularly inappropriate at the time, though? Was the BBC flooded with complaints from outraged viewers?

There must be tons of footage in the BBC vaults of TotP presenters with their arms around underage girls. Unless someone can come forward with allegations of highly inappropriate behaviour behind the scenes, we'll just have to accept that what happened on-screen wasn't even remotely controversial.

[Tourista]

Wow.

What a shocker....

Who would believe that a host on a TV music show would put their arm round a guest.

I feel the outrage.

[muppetonastring]

Originally Posted by WoodenCat

Colleen has always seemed a tad odd to me......didn't she pay for her 16 year old son to 'visit' a prostitute for his first time? Took him to Amsterdam AFAIR.

God, I wish my mum had done that for me! Maybe I should have asked Jimmy to fix it for me!

[Apple_Crumble]

Nice to know that the guy can defend himself against such claims. Not. I find the whole thing cowardly.

[fifilapew]

Whether he was a pervert or not I can't really see Collen Nolans reasons for speaking about them now. He isn't around to be stopped and surely she must have dealt with any emotional anguish by now

Oh no.....wait, I can see why...£££££

[be more pacific]

Originally Posted by fifilapew

Whether he was a pervert or not I can't really see Collen Nolans reasons for speaking about them now. He isn't around to be stopped and surely she must have dealt with any emotional anguish by now

Oh no.....wait, I can see why...£££££

The documentary clip was from 2007 and the Mirror article was from 2008. As far as I know, Coleen hasn't said anything else about it since Saville's death.

[Vodka_Drinka]

My mum never liked Jimmy, and her reasoning was always because she thought he was "a dirty old man". Her words not mine. I only ever remember him from Jim'll Fix It but she can remember him hosting Top of the Pops and apparently he was always all over the young girls in the audience.

[Galaxy266]

Originally Posted by PlausibleDenial

Reports on twitter state that the sun is going to be shortly running some stories about the dark side of Jimmy Saville which reminded me of the Nolans Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JygLGzNhiD8
See 3minutes 30 seconds in. Colleen, whilst on top of the pops aged 14 was not that happy with him. Neither were her sister.

Has this been removed? It doesn't appear to want to play!

[Sigurd]

Originally Posted by Galaxy266

Has this been removed? It doesn't appear to want to play!

It still works for me.

[You_mo]

Originally Posted by Galaxy266

Has this been removed? It doesn't appear to want to play!

Still working for me. Be careful, though. It's pretty dark. The Nolans always scared me.

[Glowbot]

Pitchforks ready people!

...oh, he's dead? well that's ruined it.

[Hobbit Feet]

I have no idea if JS was involved in anything sinister or not but in the context of the times the behaviour toward CN doesn't seem that unusual. The TOTP hosts were always mauling the young guests.

[LittleMinx25]

Miss Nolan ...... GET OVER YOURSELF .... Your nothing special & NEVER will be!!!!

[SULLA]

Case not proved IMO

[johnny_t]

Certainly seems nothing unusual about the Colleen Nolan clip, to be honest.

Generally speaking though, it's all too easy for someone these days to just intone 'something doesn't seem right' with a meaningful look (or the internet equivalent of the same) and they think that proves a point. It could just be that he was an eccentric man, lived with his Mum, did good deeds and generally brightened the lives of those he (metaphorically) touched. That doesn't seem to make good reading though.

If anyone had anything to say, they really should have said it when he could defend himself.

[geniusgirl]

JS is being judged on the way he lived his life. There is still this suspicion surrounding those people who seem popular yet shun relationships.

Also, I refuse to believe anything that Colon Nolen has to say, she's a nasty piece of work

[Mad Man Moon]

Most of the more outlandish allegations about Saville come from the David Icke forums. Make of that what you will.