Replacing a bad act with a non-entity is worse. He's a really nice lad but he's just so dull for the X factor.
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Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
“Replacing a bad act with a non-entity is worse. He's a really nice lad but he's just so dull for the X factor.”
“Replacing a bad act with a non-entity is worse. He's a really nice lad but he's just so dull for the X factor.”
Did you watch the clips I put up in the link as I would not call him dull at all, he seems to be able to work a crowd as well, maybe people just never got to see what he was like, he was too nervous and the song was all wrong. I like the lad always have and love his voice.
Some people can appear dull but are not dull at all, they hardly showed much of him did they it was all about FRANKIE, and look where they landed them.
Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
“Replacing a bad act with a non-entity is worse. He's a really nice lad but he's just so dull for the X factor.”
“Replacing a bad act with a non-entity is worse. He's a really nice lad but he's just so dull for the X factor.”
I know this is just a matter of opinion and I am not slating yours as you're certainly entitled to it. However I feel that James was given a terrible song by Gary and worse styling/staging by the production staff and many people's impression of his 'dullness' may be based on that.
I too want James back, I would've thought he'd be the automatic replacement seeing as Frankie took his spot but... *shrug*
Originally Posted by wandashirk:
“I know this is just a matter of opinion and I am not slating yours as you're certainly entitled to it. However I feel that James was given a terrible song by Gary and worse styling/staging by the production staff and many people's impression of his 'dullness' may be based on that.”
“I know this is just a matter of opinion and I am not slating yours as you're certainly entitled to it. However I feel that James was given a terrible song by Gary and worse styling/staging by the production staff and many people's impression of his 'dullness' may be based on that.”
I completely agree actually and said so after his elimination, everything about his performance, the song, his styling, the staging, even his position in the performance order (although that had no bearing on the judges decision) was designed to make him appear the 'correct' choice for Gary's eliminated boy. Don't want to bring all this up again but you have to question why Craig, Marcus and Frankie had songs from the current Top 10/20 of the time I think and James was given THAT particular song, if you were going to give him a Beatles song, there were better choices, it was never going to showcase him or make him particularly memorable. So many people can't even remember his performance
Everyone should vote for Amelia.
1) There is not enough talent on the show at the moment (excepting Misha B, Little Mix, Marcus and perhaps Craig)
2) Although she is Digitalspy favourite to get in - past experience of DS polls, don't coincide with the actual results.
3) I rarely vote on X Factor, but I will make the exception this time - I really want more talent - as it's making the UK version a joke - The US forums always look down on UK X Factor.
4) Amelia is the most talented of the four acts.
I hope everyone makes the exception and vote for her tomorrow.
1) There is not enough talent on the show at the moment (excepting Misha B, Little Mix, Marcus and perhaps Craig)
2) Although she is Digitalspy favourite to get in - past experience of DS polls, don't coincide with the actual results.
3) I rarely vote on X Factor, but I will make the exception this time - I really want more talent - as it's making the UK version a joke - The US forums always look down on UK X Factor.
4) Amelia is the most talented of the four acts.
I hope everyone makes the exception and vote for her tomorrow.
Originally Posted by wandashirk:
“I know this is just a matter of opinion and I am not slating yours as you're certainly entitled to it. However I feel that James was given a terrible song by Gary and worse styling/staging by the production staff and many people's impression of his 'dullness' may be based on that.”
“I know this is just a matter of opinion and I am not slating yours as you're certainly entitled to it. However I feel that James was given a terrible song by Gary and worse styling/staging by the production staff and many people's impression of his 'dullness' may be based on that.”
I'm basing my opinion on what I saw from the audition forwards. Personally I found him deeply unmemorable and also didn't think he had a particularly good voice. I'm inclined to agree that it was largely due to how he was presented but that is true for all of the acts. How we perceive them and how the voting public and inevitably the record buying public will perceive them is down to how the producers mechanically construct them as artists , James got the rough end of the stick. But even so , I wouldn't have been a fan either way.
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“Did you watch the clips I put up in the link as I would not call him dull at all, he seems to be able to work a crowd as well, maybe people just never got to see what he was like, he was too nervous and the song was all wrong. I like the lad always have and love his voice.
Some people can appear dull but are not dull at all, they hardly showed much of him did they it was all about FRANKIE, and look where they landed them.”
“Did you watch the clips I put up in the link as I would not call him dull at all, he seems to be able to work a crowd as well, maybe people just never got to see what he was like, he was too nervous and the song was all wrong. I like the lad always have and love his voice.
Some people can appear dull but are not dull at all, they hardly showed much of him did they it was all about FRANKIE, and look where they landed them.”
Unfortunately that will work for Frankie , who will probably be more successful than this year's inevitable winner Marcus , or Craig. If you're from a UK talent show you will need to have a larger than average personality as it's incredibly difficult for acts to go down the credible root once they've shown their face on the show. If Matt Cardle is already flopping , god knows what will happen to James if he somehow comes back and wins or gets to the final. Despite Matt's talent now he's struggling to match the success of Cher Lloyd who was despised. It's an unfortunate but true fact of today's musical climate.
Originally Posted by RealityReal31:
“No thanks. It would split the Liverpool vote even more and that would put Marcus at risk...”
“No thanks. It would split the Liverpool vote even more and that would put Marcus at risk...”
James got my vote then, lol!
Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
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Unfortunately that will work for Frankie , who will probably be more successful than this year's inevitable winner Marcus , or Craig. If you're from a UK talent show you will need to have a larger than average personality as it's incredibly difficult for acts to go down the credible root once they've shown their face on the show. If Matt Cardle is already flopping , god knows what will happen to James if he somehow comes back and wins or gets to the final. Despite Matt's talent now he's struggling to match the success of Cher Lloyd who was despised. It's an unfortunate but true fact of today's musical climate.”
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Unfortunately that will work for Frankie , who will probably be more successful than this year's inevitable winner Marcus , or Craig. If you're from a UK talent show you will need to have a larger than average personality as it's incredibly difficult for acts to go down the credible root once they've shown their face on the show. If Matt Cardle is already flopping , god knows what will happen to James if he somehow comes back and wins or gets to the final. Despite Matt's talent now he's struggling to match the success of Cher Lloyd who was despised. It's an unfortunate but true fact of today's musical climate.”
I have to agree with some of what you say, as so many of the winners end up the losers from this show. Cher is doing well however it is only my opinion here I just dont know why she is doing so well, not my cuppa tea at all.Frankie is already plying for trade, god alone knows how he has swung that, the show is not even over... and surely he has contractual issues, unless that was the deal, they get him out and he does what he likes, he always had why change the trend, lol.
As for young James I think the lad has a memorable unique voice, looks at home on that stage at the GAY club and works the crowd really well, hardly what we saw on the X factor, where he looked more like a frightened mouse, but you know what I said before the show even began he would be out, and from his face he knew it as well, which was really sad. I hope he is back, as for me he can sing and play guitar, he may not be a bad lad, but do we really need another one, or bad lass for that matter. Maybe just someone who would work hard and give it their best shot.
GG
Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
“I'm basing my opinion on what I saw from the audition forwards. Personally I found him deeply unmemorable and also didn't think he had a particularly good voice. I'm inclined to agree that it was largely due to how he was presented but that is true for all of the acts. How we perceive them and how the voting public and inevitably the record buying public will perceive them is down to how the producers mechanically construct them as artists , James got the rough end of the stick. But even so , I wouldn't have been a fan either way.
Unfortunately that will work for Frankie , who will probably be more successful than this year's inevitable winner Marcus , or Craig. If you're from a UK talent show you will need to have a larger than average personality as it's incredibly difficult for acts to go down the credible root once they've shown their face on the show. If Matt Cardle is already flopping , god knows what will happen to James if he somehow comes back and wins or gets to the final. Despite Matt's talent now he's struggling to match the success of Cher Lloyd who was despised. It's an unfortunate but true fact of today's musical climate.”
“I'm basing my opinion on what I saw from the audition forwards. Personally I found him deeply unmemorable and also didn't think he had a particularly good voice. I'm inclined to agree that it was largely due to how he was presented but that is true for all of the acts. How we perceive them and how the voting public and inevitably the record buying public will perceive them is down to how the producers mechanically construct them as artists , James got the rough end of the stick. But even so , I wouldn't have been a fan either way.
Unfortunately that will work for Frankie , who will probably be more successful than this year's inevitable winner Marcus , or Craig. If you're from a UK talent show you will need to have a larger than average personality as it's incredibly difficult for acts to go down the credible root once they've shown their face on the show. If Matt Cardle is already flopping , god knows what will happen to James if he somehow comes back and wins or gets to the final. Despite Matt's talent now he's struggling to match the success of Cher Lloyd who was despised. It's an unfortunate but true fact of today's musical climate.”
James also had very little time to make an impression on the main audience, barely appearing in the audition and bootcamp stages, even his judge's house appearance was 'montaged' despite him being one of the successful 4 through.
Matt's hardly struggling to match the success of Cher, they're both doing fine, as expected she is doing better as a singles artist and he is doing better as an albums artist. His album sales outpeaked his lead single sales, Cher is set to sell less albums than she did singles last week. Matt's on 115k so far and still in the top 20 in his fourth sales week. It may not be doing spectacularly but nor is it totally flopping either.
Originally Posted by Rosie Red:
“Bringing James back would really show up Frankie even more...they appear to be polar opposites.”
“Bringing James back would really show up Frankie even more...they appear to be polar opposites.”
Yh, ones dull, boring and cant sing to save his life and the others name is frankie
I agree with you on how little air time James got, and am pleased to see Matt is not flopping, I still have to buy his album, and I will as soon as I have he spare cash.
I think James will have lost some of his nerves by now and could be an excellent replacement for someone who could basically not sing.
I think James will have lost some of his nerves by now and could be an excellent replacement for someone who could basically not sing.
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“I have to agree with some of what you say, as so many of the winners end up the losers from this show. Cher is doing well however it is only my opinion here I just dont know why she is doing so well, not my cuppa tea at all.Frankie is already plying for trade, god alone knows how he has swung that, the show is not even over... and surely he has contractual issues, unless that was the deal, they get him out and he does what he likes, he always had why change the trend, lol.
As for young James I think the lad has a memorable unique voice, looks at home on that stage at the GAY club and works the crowd really well, hardly what we saw on the X factor, where he looked more like a frightened mouse, but you know what I said before the show even began he would be out, and from his face he knew it as well, which was really sad. I hope he is back, as for me he can sing and play guitar, he may not be a bad lad, but do we really need another one, or bad lass for that matter. Maybe just someone who would work hard and give it their best shot.
GG”
“I have to agree with some of what you say, as so many of the winners end up the losers from this show. Cher is doing well however it is only my opinion here I just dont know why she is doing so well, not my cuppa tea at all.Frankie is already plying for trade, god alone knows how he has swung that, the show is not even over... and surely he has contractual issues, unless that was the deal, they get him out and he does what he likes, he always had why change the trend, lol.
As for young James I think the lad has a memorable unique voice, looks at home on that stage at the GAY club and works the crowd really well, hardly what we saw on the X factor, where he looked more like a frightened mouse, but you know what I said before the show even began he would be out, and from his face he knew it as well, which was really sad. I hope he is back, as for me he can sing and play guitar, he may not be a bad lad, but do we really need another one, or bad lass for that matter. Maybe just someone who would work hard and give it their best shot.
GG”
I think Cher is doing well largely due to her personality and the fact that she is 'relevant'. Highlighting even more that the X Factor really does not have any idea about what works in the real music world. With James , I agree that he seems like a nice and hard working guy , but the X factor just seems so wrong for him as a career move as I can't envisage him being a successful act off the back of this show. X Factor is particularly harsher to the male acts as on the show they're almost always trump the girls and come out the victors but in the real world they get the rude awakening that when you get votes on superficial grounds , which unfortunately they do from certain people , a large part of those votes and support only last as long as the next time someone comes along , which is the following year.
With James , it's like I'm looking at Matt Cardle again. Without the ungratefulness and smugness.
Are you saying James is ungrateful, as sorry I have not seen him speak out of turn, maybe I missed it, I hope not he seems like a really nice lad.
I know what you mean about the girly votes, who vote over and over again, it does defeat the object, but James has a wider appeal than that, he seems more like your James Morrison than your Joe McElderry, sorry may have his name spelt wrong. He seems to be able to sing a range of songs as well from what I saw earlier on you tube.
Cher, well my son is 17 his girlfriend 17 and neither can see the appeal and both like current music, but someone must be buying it.
I am racking my brains to think of a male singer and there is only one who springs to mind for being unique like James voice wise and successful, and that is Will Young, so there is hope for a male winner we just have to find the right one..
I know what you mean about the girly votes, who vote over and over again, it does defeat the object, but James has a wider appeal than that, he seems more like your James Morrison than your Joe McElderry, sorry may have his name spelt wrong. He seems to be able to sing a range of songs as well from what I saw earlier on you tube.
Cher, well my son is 17 his girlfriend 17 and neither can see the appeal and both like current music, but someone must be buying it.
I am racking my brains to think of a male singer and there is only one who springs to mind for being unique like James voice wise and successful, and that is Will Young, so there is hope for a male winner we just have to find the right one..
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“Are you saying James is ungrateful, as sorry I have not seen him speak out of turn, maybe I missed it, I hope not he seems like a really nice lad.
I know what you mean about the girly votes, who vote over and over again, it does defeat the object, but James has a wider appeal than that, he seems more like your James Morrison than your Joe McElderry, sorry may have his name spelt wrong. He seems to be able to sing a range of songs as well from what I saw earlier on you tube.
Cher, well my son is 17 his girlfriend 17 and neither can see the appeal and both like current music, but someone must be buying it.
I am racking my brains to think of a male singer and there is only one who springs to mind for being unique like James voice wise and successful, and that is Will Young, so there is hope for a male winner we just have to find the right one..”
“Are you saying James is ungrateful, as sorry I have not seen him speak out of turn, maybe I missed it, I hope not he seems like a really nice lad.
I know what you mean about the girly votes, who vote over and over again, it does defeat the object, but James has a wider appeal than that, he seems more like your James Morrison than your Joe McElderry, sorry may have his name spelt wrong. He seems to be able to sing a range of songs as well from what I saw earlier on you tube.
Cher, well my son is 17 his girlfriend 17 and neither can see the appeal and both like current music, but someone must be buying it.
I am racking my brains to think of a male singer and there is only one who springs to mind for being unique like James voice wise and successful, and that is Will Young, so there is hope for a male winner we just have to find the right one..”
No, I think Sidespin Nid means that Matt is the ungrateful and smug one... I'm deffo going to vote for James... especially now that you mention Will Young whom I adore
I think James is the best placed to take on the mantle...
Originally Posted by Froggie72:
“No, I think Sidespin Nid means that Matt is the ungrateful and smug one... I'm deffo going to vote for James...”
“No, I think Sidespin Nid means that Matt is the ungrateful and smug one... I'm deffo going to vote for James...”
Oh stupid me, sorry. I am pleased to see people are saying they are voting for James as too many people here seem to think this is a one horse race, and I do not. There are actually 4 of them in it, but for me I cannot see the other two getting enough votes to be back in, but you know what I could be totally wrong, many people liked 2 shoes, not sure on Jon as never heard anyone say much about him.
I should take a placard round my town drumming up votes for James, but it is a bit cold here.
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“Are you saying James is ungrateful, as sorry I have not seen him speak out of turn, maybe I missed it, I hope not he seems like a really nice lad.
I know what you mean about the girly votes, who vote over and over again, it does defeat the object, but James has a wider appeal than that, he seems more like your James Morrison than your Joe McElderry, sorry may have his name spelt wrong. He seems to be able to sing a range of songs as well from what I saw earlier on you tube.
Cher, well my son is 17 his girlfriend 17 and neither can see the appeal and both like current music, but someone must be buying it.
I am racking my brains to think of a male singer and there is only one who springs to mind for being unique like James voice wise and successful, and that is Will Young, so there is hope for a male winner we just have to find the right one..”
“Are you saying James is ungrateful, as sorry I have not seen him speak out of turn, maybe I missed it, I hope not he seems like a really nice lad.
I know what you mean about the girly votes, who vote over and over again, it does defeat the object, but James has a wider appeal than that, he seems more like your James Morrison than your Joe McElderry, sorry may have his name spelt wrong. He seems to be able to sing a range of songs as well from what I saw earlier on you tube.
Cher, well my son is 17 his girlfriend 17 and neither can see the appeal and both like current music, but someone must be buying it.
I am racking my brains to think of a male singer and there is only one who springs to mind for being unique like James voice wise and successful, and that is Will Young, so there is hope for a male winner we just have to find the right one..”
Ah I meant Matt was the one with the smugness and ungratefulness, not James. I think James was one of the nicest acts this year. And I agree with you thinking of him as a James Morrison type of act , I'm just not sure if he can get there through support from the X Factor. I think that musical route is something that will be difficult to go down with the X Factor tag. I mean the management Leona has have even managed to screw her career up in terms of how well she could have done by now.
With regards to Will Young , he highlights the point I was making about career management. I think the main reason X Factor acts are managed so poorly is due to them being used as cash cows and nothing more. The labels and the show couldn't care less about artistic development , it's like all the acts are dispensible to them and are tossed out when the fresh new batch of money making geese arrive the next year.Which is why I don't think we'll ever see another Will Young type artist in the UK ever , unless they are from a different and less money driven talent show.
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“Oh stupid me, sorry. I am pleased to see people are saying they are voting for James as too many people here seem to think this is a one horse race, and I do not. There are actually 4 of them in it, but for me I cannot see the other two getting enough votes to be back in, but you know what I could be totally wrong, many people liked 2 shoes, not sure on Jon as never heard anyone say much about him.
I should take a placard round my town drumming up votes for James, but it is a bit cold here.”
“Oh stupid me, sorry. I am pleased to see people are saying they are voting for James as too many people here seem to think this is a one horse race, and I do not. There are actually 4 of them in it, but for me I cannot see the other two getting enough votes to be back in, but you know what I could be totally wrong, many people liked 2 shoes, not sure on Jon as never heard anyone say much about him.
I should take a placard round my town drumming up votes for James, but it is a bit cold here.
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I'm just worried about how it's going to work, if it's only mentioned online and perhaps in the papers that a vote is going on to reinstate one of the 4, many of the people who just tune into X factor on a Saturday are going to have no idea this is even going on. Seems a crazy way to do things but hey ho the whole thing is pretty ludicrous. I'd love to see James back in but fully expect Amelia will win, I don't think whoever got in would stay in that long anyway
I think Will Young was a unique guy in many ways, and I don't think they were able to manipulate him for very long, he had his own ideas what he wanted, and maybe James is not that strong. I hope James makes a career for himself and I would certainly buy his music, I love his voice.
On will the person back in stay long, that will depend on the songs given and a fan base being out there very very fast.
Oddly I think the winner of this show is Marcus anyway, have done for about 2 weeks, just saw something there with him that makes me think he is getting votes and lots of them.
Amelia is for me a spoiled 16 year old who has been told she is brilliant when in fact she is far from it.
GG
On will the person back in stay long, that will depend on the songs given and a fan base being out there very very fast.
Oddly I think the winner of this show is Marcus anyway, have done for about 2 weeks, just saw something there with him that makes me think he is getting votes and lots of them.
Amelia is for me a spoiled 16 year old who has been told she is brilliant when in fact she is far from it.
GG
Bringing James back would just be cruel. He'd be gone again the night after he'd performed, unless he was in the sing-off with Kitty and she'd uncharacteristically had a stinker the night before.
How about "don't vote for anybody".
Simon's high-waisted trousers will be up to his armpits at this rate to accommodate pockets deep enough to take the X-tra (see what I did?) cash coming his way.
Simon's high-waisted trousers will be up to his armpits at this rate to accommodate pockets deep enough to take the X-tra (see what I did?) cash coming his way.
Originally Posted by ProVista:
“How about "don't vote for anybody".
Simon's high-waisted trousers will be up to his armpits at this rate to accommodate pockets deep enough to take the X-tra (see what I did?) cash coming his way.”
“How about "don't vote for anybody".
Simon's high-waisted trousers will be up to his armpits at this rate to accommodate pockets deep enough to take the X-tra (see what I did?) cash coming his way.”
Yes good point and belive me I dont want to line his pockets but I would like to see this lad back, Amelia was not my cuppa tea, one of two shoes is about to drop a baby and Jon was not good enough to have even been final 16 imo.
I have re watched James on youtube, link on very first post here, and sorry he is really good, not the mouse we saw on the show at all.
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