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From Cher's first audition, which I thought was superb, I have been a fan

Glad she is doing well with her first album.

She is struggling to outsell Albums that have been out for weeks.

That is hardly the mark of success.

She can sing well and does so live, perhaps you missed last years show?

Every single album made these days is produced in some fashion, even accoustic and live albums, it's not just this album.

Name me one act today who's album doesn't have some form of production and tweaking on the vocals...they all do, it's standard practice. Any idea how many times they will record a single vocal until they get it right on a studio album? Over and over sometimes so yes, it sounds as good as they want it too.

More negativity, this thread is not about success, it's about people enjoying the album. The poster you quoted never mentioned sales, he was just happy she's doing well..and she is.

The album has had far more positive reviews than negative and a lot of people seem to like it, a lot more (like myself) are quite surprised how much were enjoying it.

You obviously dislike her and her music which is fine, but you have to accept some of us don't agree

Lets hope so, just bugs me that genuine talent is pushed out to make space for this. Fixed to be a winner one way or another? It was so blatant last year with the extent X Factor production went ot keep her in and the continued large amounts of money spent since, on getting her the best of everything.

You could have taken just about any contestant ever in X Factor, got them to talk wierd with attitude and pull funny faces, whilst dressed up to look different (but just a cheap copy). Pump the spin and money in and you have a star, or do it on the cheap this year with the likes of Frankie and not even bother to make out that they can sing.

I haven't bought it because it's not the style of music I listen to, but I think that it's a varied, well sung and lively album.

I watched every one of last years shows, I have missed a couple of shows since the series started.

She put up one good performance. Stay. The rest were mediocre and, indeed, Cowell had to bend the rules to keep her in to the final.

She does not just need to sing, she also needs to have charisma.

There is an appreciation thread for Cher Lloyd which I do not post in as it is there for appreciation. I feel it would be churlish of me to post there.

The thread is about the album.

From what I have seen the album has had mixed reviews.

It runs to 35 minutes long for the ten tracks.

On the Album "Meddle" the great Pink Floyd had one track, "Echoes" that ran for 29 minutes and was awesome.

Ain't that the truth.

It was fixed to keep her in. She sang on the show, generally badly, gurned, pulled faces, disresespected the likes of Louis and behaved in a generally dislikeable manner. She just lacks charisma.

Money has been thrown at her all year, as has the publicity machine at Cowell towers, and everything was geared to the release of the album. Swagger Jagger was pulled forward so it could be released. It got to number one with very few sales and no competition. Now her album, heavily discounted, has been released and it will struggle to outsell Cardle and is tumbling down the charts in spite of the heavy publicity.

That is not a good result in spite of what anyone says.

Depends what you define as a musician. If you mean someone who writes their own music, then Cher is at least part of the way there. She has writing credits on 5 of the 10 tracks on the album, 4 of which she would've co-wrote (which applies to her rap verses, I'd imagine), and the other (End Up Here, which has no rapping at all) which she says she wrote herself (the only other person credited in the album booklet is Ronald Jackson i.e. the producer Jukebox, so it's likely he simply produced it ). So Cher is far from being a fully-fledged musician in the true sense, but she at least partly is. I actually think it's great that they allowed a song she wrote herself to be on her album, could be to see what people make of it, and therefore whether to encourage her to do more song-writing in the future should she get the green light for a second album.

Also, I wouldn't judge an album's performance purely on first week sales - as with all albums, it makes sense to keep an eye on their chart run over the coming weeks.

Not bought or heard her album but I do admit im loving her new song. Cant help singing along when it comes on the radio!

She is no.3?

She has outsold every album that has been out weeks exept Ceremonials wich had a massive x factor performance to boost sales.

SuBo is no.1 wich was to be expected

The Irish chart comes in on Friday and her album is at 7 in Ireland

You're wrong. She's outselling more established acts like the Wanted who released on the same day as her.

I would of hoped you'd have learned by now M@nterik, you have been consistently wrong with all your predictions regarding Cher's career for over a year now. I remember about this time last year, you said that she wouldn't get a record deal, it was all hype and that producers would not work with her.

She's even outsold The Wanted who you'd think would be towering the Charts due to their fangirls but NOPE. They are also no.22 in the itunes chart which even though is meaningless, quite bizarre.

Either way, I'm loving the album and I don't care what M@nterik makes of it so ner.

No I agree - it's not bat






it's f****** terrible

And Cheer-Accident's "Trading Balloons" is a 52 minute track I'm currently trying to get hold of, I'm told that's pretty darn good too. So?

35 minute albums were very common back in the day, when anything much over 20 minutes began to push at the technical limits of a side of vinyl. There aren't so many now, but making one is certainly a perfectly reasonable option. I've not heard anyone who cares for Cher's music kicking up much of a fuss about the length, and it's 35 minutes too long for anyone who doesn't. 35 minutes that get listened to are much better value than an hour of someone else which would just sit on the shelf.

Sticks + Stones doesn't sound remotely like anything else I tend to listen to, but I've bought it and I find it full of rewards. Cher's future in the business is looking pretty bright to me, I rather expect that word of mouth will keep this album selling well. Fans are tending to say it's even better than they expected, and a lot of other folks are saying they weren't expecting much at all but are agreeably surprised by how it's turned out.

The album is short, It's more of an EP really but this is reflected in the price, so no complaints with that.

...abhorrent little mongrel...which,for me personally,contaminates whatever she produces

Last year I hated her with conviction.

She had the bias of the judges in the same manner Teacosey had this year.

Last year the Cheryl Cole clone was so overly rated it was annoying to watch.

Strangely enough though, I have just finished listening to the album and like it.

At times you get the impression though that it's too close to N-Dubz for comfort.

And Cher Lloyd was on X Factor to help shift her single and draw attention to her album. It didnt work particularly well.

So did I.

Still do today.

Just happy to see her fledgling career appears to be crashing and burning.

Is it? How so?

she was on x factor 2 weeks ago

florance and the machine were on a week ago

She is beating The wanted.

So she clearly is selling better than u think